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St. Dogbert posted:... Ushering in decades of Conservative dominance, since the right has succeeded in making Liberal, Socialist, and Leftist dirty words here too. Not as much as in the U.S., but they have. Hey cool the sky is falling and all but my riding just elected an openly socialist candidate over the guy who was probably going to be the next liberal leader
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What if you tell him, to his face, that he's lying? "No, you're lying, here's the data. No, you're lying. Lying again. No." There's some people talking about reactionary populist rhetoric, and why it's so efficient and effective. Part of it is that the populist while denying the facts and reality looks to be winning. The most important part (to them) of a dialogue is to win over other people, not the person they're arguing against. While they deny facts in an increasingly awkward atmosphere the news media necessarily edits it down into sound bites that sound relatively normal. While the lefty person might say, 'oh he dodge that question, he doesn't have an answer', a righty might see Doug Ford just staying the course on party lines. Being logical and correct in a debate isn't as effective for drawing votes in as looking like you're winning a debate in news. Doug Ford and the Trump administration have taken that to heart.
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Toalpaz posted:There's some people talking about reactionary populist rhetoric, and why it's so efficient and effective. Part of it is that the populist while denying the facts and reality looks to be winning. The most important part (to them) of a dialogue is to win over other people, not the person they're arguing against. While they deny facts in an increasingly awkward atmosphere the news media necessarily edits it down into sound bites that sound relatively normal. While the lefty person might say, 'oh he dodge that question, he doesn't have an answer', a righty might see Doug Ford just staying the course on party lines. I'm not talking about how the public would take it, I'm asking whether that ever gets a rise out of him.
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leftist heap posted:Unlike the well vetted PC candidates? when the GTA suburbs have what amounts to a 2 party lib/pc system your candidates can be lovely when you are the PC and the libs collapse
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What if you tell him, to his face, that he's lying? "No, you're lying, here's the data. No, you're lying. Lying again. No." I have seen people try similar approaches, or at least challenge the lie a bit. No reporter has the stones to take it that far. I would love to see them try, but they need to have access (esp. TV news) and one stunt like that would have entire news stations cut off. I don't think the truth even matters. McGuinty and Wynne pulled the same kind of avoidance to direct challenges but they were more polished and verbose. Doug just kinda has a few basic lines. It works though. I will say this about Doug. He is a very angry person. He doesn't like being challenged, or embarrassed. He came for an interview and didn't gladhand, didn't make eye contact with the crew or usual pleasantries you'd expect. You could see him stifling himself, speaking through gritted teeth. At the end of the thing he just rips his mic off and walks off set, no handshake or anything. He is a very odd person and truly only comfortable around his base (reminds me of another leader...)
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm not talking about how the public would take it, I'm asking whether that ever gets a rise out of him. I'm sorry, I meant to imply that he would do the same thing and just ignore the reporter really. Or he could be like Rob and respond honestly half the time and no repercussions. (I wouldn't consider sexually assault her, I get enough from my wife. etc)
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Pinterest Mom posted:On the bright side, this'll end the York strike. Not on Doug's terms, though. Agnosticnixie posted:pretending that the libs aren't a part of the right They aren't. Pretending they are won't make it true. If you think there's no difference between Wynne and Ford, the latter has a Agnosticnixie posted:This is still the NDP, Horwath will have knives in her back in like a year at most Is there actually anyone in contention to replace her?
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If you run on loving right to work you don't get to claim you're not right wing. Whether there's a difference between Wynne and Ford is completely immaterial. There's minor policy differences between Trudeau and Harper, they're still both right wing pieces of poo poo. If you sincerely think there's a legitimate left wing case for most of the Wynne admin's economic policies, I can only assume that you're the last remaining member of the Hollande fanclub
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DariusLikewise posted:I believe that if Jason Kenney and the PAQ win as expected and Scheer is our next Prime Minister the Conservatives control enough of Canada to amend the constitution with no opposition I have confirmed through napkin math that the constitution will be re-written in the image of Scheer if 3 more elections break in favour of the Cons
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DariusLikewise posted:I have confirmed through napkin math that the constitution will be re-written in the image of Scheer if 3 more elections break in favour of the Cons What would a doughy, expressionless, clammy constitution look like?
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Someone ws telling me that getting rid of the LCBO is a good idea, and I said "well, I hope you like Molson, becuase the big breweries are going to buy up stories and only let their brands be sold" and they said "well, the government should have laws that prevent monopolies!" and replied "yea, its call the LCBO." I never understand the hard on people have to get rid of the LCBO. Why? It doesn't make sense unless people are just upset they don't have one close by and think if you can have private ones you won't have to walk so far. A friend of mine who's a microbrewer sells his stuff in the LCBO because it has rules that let smaller brewers and distillers sell their stuff.
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Furnaceface posted:What would a doughy, expressionless, clammy constitution look like? The current document but RACISM ALLOWED NO ABORTIONS OR WEED scrawled in red crayon
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twistedmentat posted:Someone ws telling me that getting rid of the LCBO is a good idea, and I said "well, I hope you like Molson, becuase the big breweries are going to buy up stories and only let their brands be sold" and they said "well, the government should have laws that prevent monopolies!" and replied "yea, its call the LCBO."
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Jun 8, 2018 06:01
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Not sure where that 44% turnout figure is coming from but the Elections Ontario website is showing 57.87% for me right now
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Jordan7hm posted:Man, there are a ton of us in this riding. I also voted in Ottawa center and my poll was right in my building :0 How many goons do I know without knowing?!?!
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My riding had a 37.5% turnout and the PC candidate won by 769 votes. loving shameful.
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Looks like the Libs might get held to 7 in the end though, that's something at least.
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PittTheElder posted:Looks like the Libs might get held to 7 in the end though, that's something at least. Losing official party status is indeed something.
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What's the minimum for maintaining it?
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yellowcar posted:What's the minimum for maintaining it? 8 seats
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twistedmentat posted:Someone ws telling me that getting rid of the LCBO is a good idea, and I said "well, I hope you like Molson, becuase the big breweries are going to buy up stories and only let their brands be sold" and they said "well, the government should have laws that prevent monopolies!" and replied "yea, its call the LCBO." doesn't the lcbo have a monopoly on most liquor? you can just leave the lcbo as is and sell licenses to other ppl to sell same product as lcbo
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Jun 8, 2018 06:17
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But then you can't sell existing assets to your friends
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Arabian Jesus posted:Hey cool the sky is falling and all but my riding just elected an openly socialist candidate over the guy who was probably going to be the next liberal leader Yeah helping to send Joel Harden to Queen's Park is one of the few silver linings for me. I finally have a representative who supports BDS
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Jun 8, 2018 06:23
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How does booze work in BC? We have really nice government stores plus tons of private stores. All seem to have good selection and service. There's huge ones and tiny local ones, none selling only one company's brand.
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Baronjutter posted:How does booze work in BC? We have really nice government stores plus tons of private stores. All seem to have good selection and service. There's huge ones and tiny local ones, none selling only one company's brand. I'm not sure on the specifics, but it's a way better set up than in Ontario imho.
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Jun 8, 2018 06:32
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Liberals losing their poo poo about losing to ND candidates is the only thing that makes my day.
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gently caress, I stay off my phone and the internet for one evening and this happens??
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CLAM DOWN posted:gently caress, I stay off my phone and the internet for one evening and this happens?? Onterrible Onterribad
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Debate & Discussion › CanPol Megathread: FORD: gently caress, Ontario's Really Dumb
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Worst Case Ontario
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Baronjutter posted:How does booze work in BC? We have really nice government stores plus tons of private stores. All seem to have good selection and service. There's huge ones and tiny local ones, none selling only one company's brand. All liquor stores in bc buy their booze from the province contolled liquor distribution board or whatever it's called. It used to be that the province owned stores sold everything but didn't sell chilled stuff and there were cold beer and wine stores that couldn't sell spirits. A few years ago the province decided to privatize liquor sales so issued a bunch of licences to open liquor stores and were going to shut down all the province run ones. Then they reversed that decision and opted to keep the province run stores open. I can't remember the reason for that reversal though... Elections maybe? There's been talk of privatizing the province run distribution board for ages but I assume that's not going to happen under a non bc lib government.
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Baronjutter posted:How does booze work in BC? We have really nice government stores plus tons of private stores. All seem to have good selection and service. There's huge ones and tiny local ones, none selling only one company's brand. BC private stores (LRSs) are in direct competition with the BC Liquor Stores, stocking the same products, unlike the LCBO/Beer Store setup. Both BCLSs and LRSs buy at a fixed wholesale price set by the producer, and then mark it up however they want. The BCLS operates pretty lean (15-20% retail markup that the private stores can't match) so the private stores have to justify slightly their higher prices with some combination of better hours, better service, better selection, refrigeration, etc. Because of this, LRSs carry tons of products that the BCLS doesn't bother with, the best liquor stores in BC are all private stores. Some LRSs have consolidated into chains, many are owned by restaurant groups, but the vast majority are still pleasant enough to deal with. I've supplied beer to both the LCBO and the BC Liquor stores. In both provinces you can approach individual store managers to carry your product, and in both cases they aren't really supposed to buy products that haven't been assigned to them by head office. Some store managers are more willing to break rules or know of loopholes to get your product in and get you paid than others. The LCBO seems a little more interested in getting smaller brands stocked chain-wide than BCL, who don't really give a poo poo about smaller brands.
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Squibbles posted:All liquor stores in bc buy their booze from the province contolled liquor distribution board or whatever it's called. Private stores have been around forever, it's not a new thing. A few years ago they announced that private stores could open up in the corner of a grocery store, which made a lot of headlines, but since there's a moratorium on new LRS licenses, as well as a halo rule preventing existing licenses from moving to within x km of an existing liquor store, nothing has happened on that front. The privatization of the LDB warehousing division died a few years ago. It wouldn't have been a major change anyway. A good number of well paid public sector warehouse workers and admin staff would have lost their jobs, and been replaced by minimum wage workers. Some Liberal party donor would have a nice cushy contract to supply services to the LDB. The bigger part of the LDB that collects taxes (markups), sets rules, and that sort of thing was never going to be sold off. Kreez fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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