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funkmeister
Feb 20, 2010

About your father. If it's any help, he's in the ground now. Sure, it's bad news for him. But on the other hand, it's party time for all those little worms.
Each Umbra frame requires 10 gilded ocells. Can only gild one at a time.

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TheMostFrench
Jul 12, 2009

Stop for me, it's the claw!





I thought you said we were having Onion Meatballs?

Oh no, I said Orokin Meat Walls! That's what I call this flesh prison.

The Jumpoff posted:

To anyone who wasn't around to experience the glory of the terrible old UI, i found a screenshot off my Steam profile.



And the old end mission UI



This game has come an amazingly long way.

Looking at the pictures, the thing that I've always found strange about Warframe is how every mission has a docking point built specifically to house 4 Tenno landing craft and they are just there waiting the whole time even if there aren't 4 of you in the mission. Our enemies are extremely accommodating.

TheMostFrench fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jun 8, 2018

hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010
I just noticed limbo noble stance holds the spear guns like an actual fckin spear and that's pretty rad

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Captain Oblivious posted:

I feel pretty confident that the reveal of the Sacrifice is going to be

That the Warframes are quasi-lobotomized heavily mutated people, or at least they originally were. It's why they still seem to have some very rudimentary free will/instincts, and it would jive with the fact that the Orokin were EXTREMELY opposed to using genuine artificial intelligences. Even the Cephalons were built out of the brains of dissidents. And what better vessel for the body hopping powers of the Tenno than a person?

In this light, Umbra Warframes and probably even the Stalker himself are Warframes that have regained some semblance of sapience. Obtaining them could be more akin to bargaining or a pact than the usual process.

I suspect that the Stalker is a confused, awakened Warframe bereft of its Operator that can't distinguish between it's own memories and those of its former Operator.


stalker could also be a dax in a warframe, since we know non-tenno can transference into a warframe (as seen in The Silver Grove quest) but it drives you nuts

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Berke Negri posted:

stalker could also be a dax in a warframe, since we know non-tenno can transference into a warframe (as seen in The Silver Grove quest) but it drives you nuts

That’s plausible

The reason I lean the other way is they’ve repeatedly insisted that Umbras are special somehow and that they really needed a lore explanation before they could be added. The Sacrifice is supposed to be that related lore. Sooooo whatever is going on with them, this is it.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Hey, whoever was trying to get me into the Dojo yesterday, sorry I didn't respond quickly. I uh, had to get to sleep for work so I totally blanked on responding to that invite.

Edit: Also if anyone could direct me to this mythical 'Index' that pays out an absurd amount of credits I'd certainly appreciate it.

RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jun 8, 2018

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

RareAcumen posted:


Edit: Also if anyone could direct me to this mythical 'Index' that pays out an absurd amount of credits I'd certainly appreciate it.

It's on Neptune. You can get a taxi there if you've not unlocked it yet.

Dueling Bandsaws
Mar 3, 2016

RareAcumen posted:

Hey, whoever was trying to get me into the Dojo yesterday, sorry I didn't respond quickly. I uh, had to get to sleep for work so I totally blanked on responding to that invite.

Edit: Also if anyone could direct me to this mythical 'Index' that pays out an absurd amount of credits I'd certainly appreciate it.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Index

Index is on Neptune, which is a ways down the star chart. Until then most people run Seimeni on Ceres, which will pay out ~25k for a 5 wave defense.

Pipski
Apr 18, 2004

Heiracon is a nice fast earner as well. Jump in Frost, drop an excavator, defend it for a minute or two, evac, rinse, repeat. With a credit booster you can earn 100k in ten minutes, easy.

On the lore, this vid puts everything in chronological order, which makes it easier to get your head around, I find:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAW1UxC_reo

It's full of spoilers, obviously, so only watch it if you've completed all the quests.

gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

FunkyFjord posted:

Wukong thoughts....His 1 and his 4 are the same thing, one is just bad. Make either of them a version of his 4 and give him a new 4, probably just making his existing 4 better and giving him a new 1. They didn't give Khora an exalted weapon for her 1, so Wukong just needs a buffed or reworked 4 and a new 1. Probably something with some CC just to play up the lore of Wukong clowning on whole armies of people.

The simplest thing is to have his ult give infinite punch-through (again) e.g., the return of aoe melee slide attacks.


Captain Oblivious posted:

I feel pretty confident that the reveal of the Sacrifice is going to be

That the Warframes are quasi-lobotomized heavily mutated people, or at least they originally were. It's why they still seem to have some very rudimentary free will/instincts, and it would jive with the fact that the Orokin were EXTREMELY opposed to using genuine artificial intelligences. Even the Cephalons were built out of the brains of dissidents. And what better vessel for the body hopping powers of the Tenno than a person?


IDK. If warframes have free will, doesn't that make the operators some flavor of paracyte / slave driver i.e., kinda evil? I'd bet on the instinct stuff we've seen as being some sort of 'residual transference' mumbo jumbo

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

gaj70 posted:

The simplest thing is to have his ult give infinite punch-through (again) e.g., the return of aoe melee slide attacks.


IDK. If warframes have free will, doesn't that make the operators some flavor of paracyte / slave driver i.e., kinda evil? I'd bet on the instinct stuff we've seen as being some sort of 'residual transference' mumbo jumbo

Everything the Orokin did was pretty evil, so I'd bet on frames being semi-sentient beings.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

gaj70 posted:

The simplest thing is to have his ult give infinite punch-through (again) e.g., the return of aoe melee slide attacks.


IDK. If warframes have free will, doesn't that make the operators some flavor of paracyte / slave driver i.e., kinda evil? I'd bet on the instinct stuff we've seen as being some sort of 'residual transference' mumbo jumbo

Please consider that you just essentially said “I dunno that sounds pretty unethical, would the Orokin really do that?” :v:

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




alphabettitouretti posted:

It's on Neptune. You can get a taxi there if you've not unlocked it yet.

Dueling Bandsaws posted:

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Index

Index is on Neptune, which is a ways down the star chart. Until then most people run Seimeni on Ceres, which will pay out ~25k for a 5 wave defense.

Oh! I thought it was a nickname like people calling Orokin Cells potatoes. Okay then!

gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

Captain Oblivious posted:

Please consider that you just essentially said “I dunno that sounds pretty unethical, would the Orokin really do that?” :v:

The Orokin sure. But it would also make the present day operator evil. A mainstream game where you're roleplaying Nazi's?? Normally, you roleplay a hero

edited

gaj70 fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jun 8, 2018

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

Why do some warframes have boobs

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

gaj70 posted:

The Orokin sure. But it would also make the present day operator evil. A mainstream game where you're roleplaying Nazi's?? Normally, you roleplay a hero

edited

The act of engineering this situation is definitely evil. But the Tenno themselves? There’s nothing really to be done for the fact that the Warframes are what they are. They have at best a low level animal instinct kind of intelligence. I don’t think I’d call transference evil for the Operators

gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

Captain Oblivious posted:

The act of engineering this situation is definitely evil. But the Tenno themselves? There’s nothing really to be done for the fact that the Warframes are what they are. They have at best a low level animal instinct kind of intelligence. I don’t think I’d call transference evil for the Operators

In this theory, the tenno are knowingly/willingly taking over sentient beings, with no indication of consent. The tenno wouldn't responsible for the Orokin's original sins against the warframe entities, but they would be for each new/present-day takeover...

If the warframe has its own soul, the whole setup gets awkward.

gaj70 fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jun 8, 2018

BlondRobin
May 29, 2005

Sssh! Be vewy vewy quiet. It's wabbit season.

gaj70 posted:

In this theory, the tenno are knowingly/willingly taking over sentient beings, with no indication of consent. The tenno wouldn't responsible for the Orokin's original sins against the warframe entities, but they would be for each new/present-day takeover...

The Tenno didn’t even know who *they* were until The Second Dream. You are giving them a lot of information that there’s no reason to believe they have about the warframes. As for what happens when they learn if/when this is true, good chance that what the upcoming event will resolve!

gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

BlondRobin posted:

The Tenno didn’t even know who *they* were until The Second Dream. You are giving them a lot of information that there’s no reason to believe they have about the warframes. As for what happens when they learn if/when this is true, good chance that what the upcoming event will resolve!

That's a fair point. They probably could fix the moral issue in different ways.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




And Tyler Too! posted:

Why do some warframes have boobs

And how come heels are a universal piece of people's physique?

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


And Tyler Too! posted:

Why do some warframes have boobs

ballas is a horny dude

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another
also see: impressive codpieces on many of the "male" frames

gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

And Tyler Too! posted:

Why do some warframes have boobs

Warframes were originally repurposed sexbots? Porn is always in the technological vanguard.

Dreadwroth
Dec 12, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I was under the impression that a Warframe was built off of a person, maybe manipulated with the proto-infestation material, and sealed into a suit of armor. Calling the new thing "Sacrifice" makes me think it refers to the sacrifice of the person being made into a frame, but I could be wrong.

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.

gaj70 posted:

In this theory, the tenno are knowingly/willingly taking over sentient beings, with no indication of consent. The tenno wouldn't responsible for the Orokin's original sins against the warframe entities, but they would be for each new/present-day takeover...

If the warframe has its own soul, the whole setup gets awkward.


We've seen exactly three seconds of cutscene to imply that warframes can act on their own (your frame breaking Hunhow's sword at the end of TSD), and even that could just be the operator managing to do a bit of early chair-less transference in a fit of desperation. If Warframes do have any rudimentary sentience, I'd figure it's either a) lingering bits of thought brought on by the infested gross stuff inside or b) a sort of imprint left behind from a poo poo ton of transference.

I'm approaching it like Iron Man; dude's suits often work just fine autonomously but they're definitely not people and he assumes direct control all the time without any issues. :shrug:

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Cicadalek posted:

also see: impressive codpieces on many of the "male" frames

kuva is stored in the balls

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Rainuwastaken posted:

We've seen exactly three seconds of cutscene to imply that warframes can act on their own (your frame breaking Hunhow's sword at the end of TSD), and even that could just be the operator managing to do a bit of early chair-less transference in a fit of desperation. If Warframes do have any rudimentary sentience, I'd figure it's either a) lingering bits of thought brought on by the infested gross stuff inside or b) a sort of imprint left behind from a poo poo ton of transference.

Have you read the Rhino Prime entry? Warframes have, bare minimum, animalistic instinct and drive. They aren't inanimate marionettes that we're merely puppeteering, they're living or quasi-living things whose free will is being overridden by transference.

You know, this game is kind of hosed up if you stop and think about it

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
About the codex, why does say, Excaliburs entry have a story blurb but many other warframes do not?

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


DoombatINC posted:


You know, this game is kind of hosed up if you stop and think about it

thats orokin fer ya

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.

DoombatINC posted:

Have you read the Rhino Prime entry? Warframes have, bare minimum, animalistic instinct and drive. They aren't inanimate marionettes that we're merely puppeteering, they're living or quasi-living things whose free will is being overridden by transference.

You know, this game is kind of hosed up if you stop and think about it

It's been a while since I read that, but Ballas did nothing wrong.


A. Beaverhausen posted:

About the codex, why does say, Excaliburs entry have a story blurb but many other warframes do not?

Because Excalibur was the first. And because DE only adds interesting stuff to the warframe entries when they feel like it, which is....inconsistent at best.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


its been a real long time since there was a story blurb for any of the primes

i think maybe ember was the last which was...awhile ago

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Oh that's a shame then. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out then knowing most story info I get about specific warframes will be from other places in the game

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

And Tyler Too! posted:

Why do some warframes have boobs

it's time to ask about Wukong's butthole again

(it's where the staff is stored)

Emalde
May 3, 2007

Just a cage of bones, there's nothing inside.
If anybody is a PS4 player and cares about using the discord, shoot me an @ in the chat. Trying to get a feel for how many console players actually use it.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Emalde posted:

If anybody is a PS4 player and cares about using the discord, shoot me an @ in the chat. Trying to get a feel for how many console players actually use it.

There are often more players online in my Squad than in my Alliance but maybe I just play at odd hours :v:

Haven't been playing much lately tho, kinda hit a bit of grinding wall and decided to play other stuff instead.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

A. Beaverhausen posted:

About the codex, why does say, Excaliburs entry have a story blurb but many other warframes do not?
Excalibur being referred to as the first is non canon nod to Dark Sector, the game DE ended up making instead of the game they wanted to make, which they eventually made under the name of Warframe.

It's possible that in the Sacrifice, they'll confirm where the frames came from. Rhino Prime's blurb is the closest to an origin we have but it still describes it as a beast storming through a lab which they then realise they can control.

We already know that the infection plays a huge part in what the frames are because of the infected room on the lander, and Alad's line in WW that what he saw inside them 'didn't make sense.'

In Dark Sector, the main character is infested with a virus called the technocyte virus. He ends up getting into a suit that looks exactly like excalibur (in fact it's the Excalibur 'proto' skin). At the end of the game it's explained that while most people who get infected mutate and turn into monsters, certain people can master it and bend it to their will.

Now. If the sacrifice links Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector to Umbra Excal, I will be pleased as all hell, but I doubt it because they apparently ruled that out on an old Devstream. However I think what's more likely is that they'll confirm that the frames are specially constructed suits of armour built to house mutated beings that the Tenno can control with their minds, while stopping them from infecting everything around them.

randombattle
Oct 16, 2008

This hand of mine shines and roars! It's bright cry tells me to grasp victory!

I just look forward to seeing all the posts on the official forums about how it ruins everything just like the last big reveal.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

randombattle posted:

I just look forward to seeing all the posts on the official forums about how it ruins everything just like the last big reveal.

look forward to Umbra Focus, the new grind that will take you seven billion years to complete

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Excalibur umbra will be like shadow the hedgehog to excalibur

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gaj70
Jan 26, 2013

Rainuwastaken posted:

I'm approaching it like Iron Man; dude's suits often work just fine autonomously but they're definitely not people and he assumes direct control all the time without any issues. :shrug:

Yea, there might be an interesting story line on the moral standing of machines vs true A.I. vs actual sentient beings vs. the Orokin ability to snatch bodies , with old taboos being broken under the stress of the Old War.

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