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https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1004472189956116480?s=19 lmao that last sentence
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:do not see what tech & patent theft has to do with cultural appropriation at all Rudatron has brain damage
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You're like one of those small, yappy dogs, trying to prove something.
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Anyway, the gucci/appropriation thing was just for fun. You have to enjoy the little things. But some people want to be cry babies, because they don't like fun.
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rudatron posted:You're like one of those small, yappy dogs, trying to prove something. I swear Garnalacious Bro only posts when he's mad about something
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*Gnarlacous
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I'm always having a good time p. much
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not mad
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Baloogan posted:not mad exactly
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thug lessons used to be better
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what happened dude.. smdh
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I posted a periodicals thread, for those intersted
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new zer0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwdzWXL2P8o seems like an extension of the thesis of the last video - that the subjectivity of a 'gamer', i.e. an actor within a system, is a necessary for new radicalism, and that the subjectivity of 'laborer' is insufficient. As far as I understand it. i'm sympathetic to a 'systems-oriented' leftism. In fact, I'd argue that it's indispensable. the ease with which leaders of movements can be assassinated/bought-out/corrupted (thanks to things like drones & social media), means that any future radicalism must operate without leaders. Such a movement would have be systematically organized, where each actor follows specific rules, that can then self-assemble into a structure - like an ant colony, or indeed, players in a game. but the thesis of the video is bolder, that the very experience of labor itself cannot lead to emancipation, and has to be overcome. the difficulty, is that the necessity of labor is a technical problem - you're performing labor when you're doing something you don't want to do. so long as the 'list of things that have to be done' is longer than 'list of things people want to do', labor is a necessity, and cannot be simply wished away through any mind-games. that laborers are not necessarily radical, means that the subjectivity of a laborer is insufficient. but what makes labor the base for radicalism, is the collective self-interest of laborers, and how radical politics empowers them. rudatron fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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im gonna unleash some uneducated redneck takes but the extremely early soviet system before the civil war is ideal imo, where representatives from a factory council or whatever that got sent to a city council weren't really elected representatives but a spokesperson who held proxy for his fellow workers, essentially an indirect yet still fairly direct democracy. or at least thats what my barely-read rear end thinks happened. i unironically think that with the ease of telecommunication these days, or more accurately the possibility of ease, you dont need leaders in the normal sense any more. you still need people to channel collective energy or w.e., but we don't need singular decision makers outside of things like military action or scientific missions or w.e. why do we need leaders and representatives in assemblies when (in theory) direct democracy is possible?
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anyway i reread your post and turns out mine is only barely related but i agree. theres nothing inherently radical about being a worker. whats radicalizing is realizing how massive the class divide is and understanding how much waste there is on bourgeoisie luxury and financialized office supplies instead of ensuring everyone truly has the ability to enjoy their life comfortably and happily
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That first one is a real trotsky quote
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meant to ask this when I first read it, but why on earth did you link something from the fuckin' Platypus Society
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It's not from the platypus society, it's by a dude who publishes books, watch it the issue is that direct democracy may still not be possible, even with telecommunications - engaging with politics is labor, it's time consuming, and running a vote on everything is incredibly redundancy, that might not lead to good outcomes. so, how is that labor allocated, enforced on people (so they don't/can't skip out), and how are we ensuring that votes are informed, without limiting the franchise, or marginalizing someone's interests? I don't have an answer.
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rudatron posted:It's not from the platypus society, it's by a dude who publishes books, watch it we must invent the DNI/charles xavier so we can share our minds in commune as well
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rudatron posted:i'm sympathetic to a 'systems-oriented' leftism. In fact, I'd argue that it's indispensable. the ease with which leaders of movements can be assassinated/bought-out/corrupted (thanks to things like drones & social media), means that any future radicalism must operate without leaders. Such a movement would have be systematically organized, where each actor follows specific rules, that can then self-assemble into a structure - like an ant colony, or indeed, players in a game. I'm glad to hear you're coming around on anarchism.
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anarchists have no theory and no answers, and at the very least, to 'give yourself up' to a system largely beyond your control, would be the antithesis of anarchist principles, of maximal self-determination - the fact that no leader exists does not mean that it's stateless or without authority. my stance on anarchism is unchanged.
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rudatron posted:the issue is that direct democracy may still not be possible, even with telecommunications - engaging with politics is labor, it's time consuming, and running a vote on everything is incredibly redundancy, that might not lead to good outcomes. so, how is that labor allocated, enforced on people (so they don't/can't skip out), and how are we ensuring that votes are informed, without limiting the franchise, or marginalizing someone's interests? socialism is going to require a significant reduction in the working day in order to give people the time they need to engage in their political responsibilities and/or self-fulfillment
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Prav posted:death should not be optional 
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how will communism deal with people like me, who if all my needs were basically provided for, i wouldnt give a poo poo about politics, self determination, or anything except for grilling all day and going to clubs and drag shows at night. inevitably a few nerds will dominate decision making basically any millionaire who gets invested in politics is, in my opinion, completely insane. they dont understand yolo
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Yandat posted:how will communism deal with people like me, who if all my needs were basically provided for, i wouldnt give a poo poo about politics, self determination, or anything except for grilling all day and going to clubs and drag shows at night. inevitably a few nerds will dominate decision making sounds like you wouldn't really need much dealing with at all like yeah goon politics spergs will wax poetic about the ability to argue with the entire population about local ordinances for 160 hours per week but i'm sure they could be quarantined somehow
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Yandat posted:how will communism deal with people like me, who if all my needs were basically provided for, i wouldnt give a poo poo about politics, self determination, or anything except for grilling all day and going to clubs and drag shows at night. inevitably a few nerds will dominate decision making don't underplay your significance to the community, what to grill is an important decision to make!
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In any system that maintains open democratic participation, you can just elect to let the fishmechs run society as much as they want, until you feel they've gone too far and mass participation overrules their agenda.
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Yandat posted:how will communism deal with people like me, who if all my needs were basically provided for, i wouldnt give a poo poo about politics, self determination, or anything except for grilling all day and going to clubs and drag shows at night. Probably with some sort of reeducation camp where you would learn pro-social habits to replace your desires to contribute to carbon emissions and distract yourself with bourgeois frivolities.
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Rhukatah posted:Probably with some sort of reeducation camp where you would learn pro-social habits to replace your desires to contribute to carbon emissions and distract yourself with bourgeois frivolities. just let the man grill in peace you nerd
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its amazing how leftists have jumped aboard the liberal consumer carbon emission guilt train thats pushed to keep people from demanding action on the industrial outputs which primarily drive anthropogenic climate change
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hey guys haven't posted in a while. hows thing? have you gotten all this ideology stuff sorted out? everyone realize ML is fascism and become good anarcho syndicalists? well. anyways. nice talking, see you in a bit!
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you can just elect to let the fishmechs run society egads
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Karl Barks posted:hey guys haven't posted in a while. hows thing? have you gotten all this ideology stuff sorted out? everyone realize ML is fascism and become good anarcho syndicalists? well. anyways. nice talking, see you in a bit! I think we've all become posadists, since you've last posted
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