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I'm more interested at what FFG will do with the Android Universe after. I'd play an RPG or a skirmish minis game in that setting for sure. I've never loved a setting quite as much and there won't be anything quite as mental as a megacorp made entirely of smug men leaning back in their chairs.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Sometime between Honor & Profit and Data & Destiny (admittedly when I was having the most fun with the game and playing almost as much as I would be on the downslide of the next season) it really felt like FFG and Netrunner were primed to become something tremendous. Organized play at my local stores was regular, the groups were significant in size, and man were the people pleasant. FFG had talked about a Judge Program that I guess never really materalized. But it seemed like the whole experiment was just a little push away from being as common a game as Magic (if on a smaller scale, I'm not going to be hyperbolic.) But there were nearly-weekly events and almost every store in town. What a waste to lose this game. You're not wrong. S lot of people looked at FFG's cutting down it's distribution to a few select companies, demanding retailers that carry their product maintain the price point, etc. as the very thing that MTG did before they pushed hard into brick and mortar stores and turned their competitive scene around. Unfortunately, for whatever reason FFG never followed through with it. Maybe they realized the investment wasn't going to pay out, or maybe they realized they couldn't logistically manage it. I mean they never did another Plugged In tour either which you'd think would have been a fairly simple thing to manage even if they were just going to hit a dozen major markets in the U.S. It's a shame because like you said, that period in 2013 it really felt like the sky was the limit for this game.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:22
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Jun 8, 2018 18:34
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gently caress. I bought sleeves and binders for Netrunner a few months ago. This was the first time I've ever done that, since it represents something of a commitment, and I do not like committing to games I am bad at. And I am very bad at Netrunner. And now they're killing it, and for me it's one hundred percent Wizards' fault. gently caress WotC, they're why we can't have nice things.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:49
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i hadnt played since before rotation but this still makes me sad
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Jun 8, 2018 18:50
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This really sucks. Netrunner to me is still the best card game. I know my cards aren't going to vanish but this will eventually kill every local scene I'm sure. Even if WotC were to do something with the license someday FFG added the factions and the world that really made it come together.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:00
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You poor, precious newbies. I've been playing discontinued NetRunner card games since 2008! At least this opens the door for fan expansions to finally take off. Wonder if I still have any of my old notes about my WotC NetRunner fanset...
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Jun 8, 2018 19:02
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As someone who played ONR before getting into ANR, I know deep down that if Wizards released another version of Netrunner to coincide with Cyberpunk 2077, I'd probably buy into it. I wouldn't like myself for doing it, but I would do it just the same.
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PMush Perfect posted:You poor, precious newbies. I've been playing discontinued NetRunner card games since 2008! Hadn't though about fan stuff, hopefully jinteki.net embraces it and allows fan expansions or something.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:10
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I remember putting a lot of time and energy into an idea about hidden programs. Always cost 1 MU, almost always disposable.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:11
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I endorse L5R as an alternative, but I'm kinda biased considering I'm one of their contracted fiction writers. And yeah, the game is kinda like Netrunner at release in that it will probably need a cycle more before it grows more balanced.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:32
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tfw netrunner will never live to see paperclip rotated or banned
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Jun 8, 2018 19:49
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I want to be able to buy MaxX god loving dammit. God dammit!
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Jun 8, 2018 19:52
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CodfishCartographer posted:Hadn't though about fan stuff, hopefully jinteki.net embraces it and allows fan expansions or something. conquest's fan scene was insane after its cancellation. they're STILL making content for it, and you can even buy it as actual physical product: http://apoka.mozello.com netrunner's community is way more dedicated. it'll be interesting to see what groups pick up the reins and keep making content.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:54
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I'm feeling a bit weird right now. Netrunner was huge for me in 2014, then I got disappointed by SanSan, dissatisfied by Mumbad, and didn't bother to continue buying when Flashpoint included even more broken cards. I never got around to selling off my cards. Now I'm considering getting up to date, so I'll always have the complete card pool for nostalgia's sake. Either way, the real run was all the friendships I made along the way.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:14
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This is twice now I've buried my favorite game.
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They put up another article, this time about the World Championships, it also contains these interesting lines:quote:Android: Netrunner and its Organized Play may be coming to an end, but all true fans know there are plenty of ways to bypass or break an "End the run" subroutine. Makes me curious how much of the actual Netrunner mechanics are tied up into the wording of the license. How different would they need to make a new edition of an "Android LCG" to avoid conflicting with the previous game. Obviously they could reuse a ton of the nomenclature as those existed in cyberpunk well before Netrunner. Midjack posted:This is twice now I've buried my favorite game. I've gone through two great Star Wars and two Doomtown games so I feel you on that one. I guess technically DT:R is still in print. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Jun 8, 2018 20:20
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This makes me sad. I only ever played casually with a friend and it's been a while since we played, but I'm definitely going to have to pick up the new core and the remaining sets and try to get back in to it.
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I am truly disappointed by the new of ANRs cancellation. This game captured my imagination and excitment on a level I've never experienced, and I thought it had a tremendously passionate and friendly community. Although I have not played since before rotation, I had been hoping to get back into the game with 2.0 "any day now." If you really love a game, you've gotta get out there and play it before it's too late 
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Jun 8, 2018 20:53
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BOOO, BOOO, everything is boo! This sucks a lot, Android is a fantastic game. Time to grab every pack I don't already own and build a cube I suppose.
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PaybackJack posted:Makes me curious how much of the actual Netrunner mechanics are tied up into the wording of the license. How different would they need to make a new edition of an "Android LCG" to avoid conflicting with the previous game. Obviously they could reuse a ton of the nomenclature as those existed in cyberpunk well before Netrunner. My understanding (such as it is) is that the Android property is completely separate from Netrunner altogether. FFG released two board games and a novel set in the Android universe before they ever released Android: Netrunner. The property was originally conceived as a film noir tribute set in a cyberpunk future, and they just tacked on the whole netrunning shtick after they reskinnned the card game. They definitely kept the two properties separate (that might even be why they never released a proper Netrunner RPG, since it would have competed with D&D, another WotC property). If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's very likely we'll see more Android setting stuff in the future. Of course, Android setting stuff in the future will probably never mention "netrunning" ever again...
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PaybackJack posted:They put up another article, this time about the World Championships, it also contains these interesting lines: Maybe there's some totality argument, and just literally ripping off Netrunner's mechanics into a game called Android: WebDodger would fall foul of that? Whatever, this sucks.
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Echoing 'this sucks' and also a 'is there anything I should snap up'? I have 2 cores and the first full cycle. Play occasionally with some friends but I'm the only one that owns stuff so deckbuilding is a pain and it doesn't happen often. I still love the game and have always wanted to play it more but it's hard to justify keeping up when it gets pulled out once every 6 months or so. It makes sense to me to maybe get the next cycle and stop? If I do it chronologically it makes it easier to tell friends to go to netrunnerdb and find a deck using all expansions through X. But was the game in a good spot after spin? Is there later stuff that is should-have in terms of fun-having, meta be damned? E: looks like the deluxe expansions are thin on the ground on Amazon, though all the smaller ones still pull up. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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I am deeply saddened by the news, even though I quit somewhere after Honor and Profit and wasn't planning to return to the game. Netrunner was something special - a card game so different and so deeply thematic that I couldn't help but be obsessed with it. The last time I was so engrossed this way by a card game was, ironically, the Legend of the Five Rings CCG (hi Spooky!). Compared to Magic and it's steady chain of knock-offs, Netrunner's mechanics were intricate and utterly novel. The theme only continued to grow more resonant (often uncomfortably) as we struggled, as a society, to cope with our quickly advancing technology and the tensions of corporate power. Netrunner was a complete and compelling package. The bluffing, the mind games, the efficiency-based economy, and the backdrop of possible reality kept me fascinated for over a year. Indeed, my interest only really waned when the experienced local playerbase quit for a variety of life reasons - leaving an inexperienced and unfamiliar community in the place of my familiar friends. I wasn't willing to spend the time and effort building a new network. That's an aside though. It sounded like 2.0 had revitalized the game, leaving it as good as (or better than) it had ever been before. The worst part of Netrunner - FFG's unwillingness to rotate out problem cards - seemed to finally have been addressed. It's tragic that the game got axed instead.
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NmareBfly posted:Echoing 'this sucks' and also a 'is there anything I should snap up'? I have 2 cores and the first full cycle. I'm probably biased, but as an early Anarch player I'd say the best place to stop for a chronological collection in which all factions are interesting and competitive would be after the Anarch and Weyland deluxe box. Maybe I'm overstating things (probably definitely if you're just playing casual), but that was the time when Anarchs became competitive without the problem cards that soon made them ridiculous.
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they actually did it lol. rip the best card game, i guess.
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This is just the worst. How petty could wotc be? Hopefully ff can come up with another interesting game soon. I loved how netrunner wasn't about smashing minions into each other and keeping the playing field as empty as possible. Having both players actually build something during the match was one of my favourite parts of the game.
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Just a heads up, if you liked Terminal Directive, Arkham Horror (the lcg) is that x1000 and is so so so good.
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Captain Theron posted:This is just the worst. How petty could wotc be? Hopefully ff can come up with another interesting game soon. Literally all we know is that the license agreement ended and FFG didn't renew it. We have no idea of this is WotC being petty, FFG being cheap, or both / neither. I'm seeing a lot of people calling WotC out because of this and as far as I can tell there's nothing showing that they're to blame.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Literally all we know is that the license agreement ended and FFG didn't renew it. We have no idea of this is WotC being petty, FFG being cheap, or both / neither. I'm seeing a lot of people calling WotC out because of this and as far as I can tell there's nothing showing that they're to blame. They're the megacorp, of course they're up to no good. 
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Midjack posted:They're the megacorp, of course they're up to no good. Asmodee is just as bad as Hasbro/WotC, if we're using that as a metric!!
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https://twitter.com/ANRLizzy/status/1005142690634141696
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Sure, we don't know for certain, but it seems the most likely, given the suddenness of the announcement, how ffg had just implemented rotation, the new core set, and the public comments from the developers stating their surprise at the decision. Plus I don't think wotc needs people to defend their feelings.
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Sad but not surprising. Eagerly awaiting the next star wars flop. Sarcasm, of course. L5r sucks compared to netrunner. Welp. Jinteki.net will hopefully stick around forever.
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Captain Theron posted:Sure, we don't know for certain, but it seems the most likely, given the suddenness of the announcement, how ffg had just implemented rotation, the new core set, and the public comments from the developers stating their surprise at the decision. Not great evidence either way, if Asmodee’s higher-ups knew it was coming they’d have kept it under wraps to keep people buying the stuff.
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I always got the impression that the sales have been trending down for a while. There are 4 LGS near me. 2 stopped carrying it two or so years ago and the other two didn’t stock anything past the first shipment of the revised core set. I have to drive an hour to find a store that is up to date on the current packs.
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We can probably put some bounds on the timeframe for FFG's decision to drop Netrunner. It would likely have happened after they were committed to producing Core 2 but before the third data pack of Kitara was released, since they usually announced the next cycle halfway through the currently releasing one. Releasing an exclusive ID at Worlds is kind of bullshit but since it's for their one vs many format (presumably a bunch of Runners dogpiling the NAPD) I imagine there will be a bunch floating around on eBay immediately afterwards.
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Tainen posted:I always got the impression that the sales have been trending down for a while. There are 4 LGS near me. 2 stopped carrying it two or so years ago and the other two didn’t stock anything past the first shipment of the revised core set. I have to drive an hour to find a store that is up to date on the current packs. Yeah. I had a shop owner tell me in no uncertain terms that she didn't want to ever buy their draft stuff again since she was taking a loss on it after it sat on the shelves. This was in spite of her trying to organize events for it. In my area there is almost literally no scene whatsoever. The location is somewhat transient as people move in for work and then leave so communities are hard to grow, but it's always been incredibly difficult to find people to play this game. None of my friends would get in after seeing the entry price on 2-3 cores and then the data packs just to play with me as the scene has been dead for years. This is a huge bummer even though I've given up on the game. It was nice knowing that somewhere people were enjoying it as the whole idea was so weird and thematic. However FFG just announced a very obvious Runebound skinned version of their Warhammer Quest card game so I would assume if the game's name is the issue that they can work something out as the Android licence is solely theirs. I'd personally love a scaled down version of this game that people could play with a single box and some expansions rather than the LCG format. Honestly the Warhammer licence being dropped was more of a downer for me since that was the only place to get a take on those worlds that wasn't hosed over by Games Workshop's current vision while the Android universe will be mostly unaffected. It still really sucks.  I'd start to be nervous if I was a Star Wars or TGoT player though. This is two licences they've suddenly lost resulting in stuff being totally left in the wind. Forbidden Stars had an expansion in the works and they had JUST revamped Dark Heresy role play and now they lost Netrunner right after 2.0. It's pretty clear that any licensed product can be lost without any warning at all. L5R might be the best bet. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jun 11, 2018 |
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Could FFG survive losing the Star Wars license at this point? I'm remembering Decipher...
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Finster Dexter posted:Could FFG survive losing the Star Wars license at this point? I'm remembering Decipher... Didn't they run into issues with executives stealing money from the company though? I have absolutely no idea how licencing works for companies like this, but having two long running systems get yanked after putting into significant resources and time into cultivating products seems like a huge problem with how weak their long term agreements or negotiating strategies are. If all Star Wars products could just be removed from their library with only a few months to sell leftover inventory because someone at Disney got it in their head Destiny was cutting into mobile game micro-transactions or something equally absurd that feels like a significant problem. On the topic of LCGs I'm kinda done with the format and wish they would think up a new idea for this sort of game. Early in a game's lifepspan it seems cool with only having to buy one or two boxes to play (Netrunner wanting three was pure greed and it still annoys me). However the longer the game goes on the more significant the investment is for new players which results in less new blood. For games like Arkham Horror it's fine since I can buy the sets myself and then play with one friend and there's no issue with having to find a community to support it or worry about unfair metas and whatever that a competitive LCG has to deal with. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jun 11, 2018 |
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