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Can't you annex nations you have cores on if they're in your Sphere of Influence?
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Jun 9, 2018 00:32
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That reminds me, how badly was Qattalun damaged in the war? I know it's not as bad off as Italy/Provence, but I know the Moroccans (and we) would march armies through it every few months.
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Jun 9, 2018 00:34
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Mantis42 posted:Can't you annex nations you have cores on if they're in your Sphere of Influence? Only if there's a specific event written for it.
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Jun 9, 2018 00:37
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Qattalun, along with Provence, is the beating heart of Tirrunist thought. It was one of the first places to be conquered by revolutionary forces in the early 1800's and has spent over 30 years in the hands of radicals. Turning the region into a weak buffer state would only lead to further chaos when the installed monarch is incapable of keeping down the generations of radicalized peasants who grew up in the shadow of Sahim Tirruni. Only a strong, stable Al Andalus can maintain the hard-won order of this new era. Therefore it is in the best interest, not only of our sultanate, but all of Europe, that we vote A.
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Jun 9, 2018 00:55
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Anything less than A is a betrayal of everything the last decade has been about.
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Jun 9, 2018 02:10
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A From ocean to ocean, the entirety of the peninsula is Andalusi, has always been Andalusi, and will remain Andalusi! gently caress Morocco.
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Jun 9, 2018 02:14
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A My father didn't lead our forces into the Madhi's territory just some Moroccan diplomat could tell us we couldn't have our rightful land back. :cryingmajil:
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Jun 9, 2018 03:08
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wiegieman posted:From ocean to ocean, the entirety of the peninsula is Andalusi You may be somewhat redefining the term "peninsula" if we're claiming a pacific coast.
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Jun 9, 2018 03:19
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I have not backed a winning vote yet, and by Allah I’m not going to start now! B
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Jun 9, 2018 03:20
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mossyfisk posted:You may be somewhat redefining the term "peninsula" if we're claiming a pacific coast. By god the Mediterranean is an ocean if the Maljis say it's an ocean! Fie!
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Jun 9, 2018 03:40
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We have been dutifully kissing rear end this whole conference entirely for this reason. A
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Jun 9, 2018 04:30
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Jesenjin posted:I vote A Co-signed. Clauswitz was aiming for some serious status quo, not immediate brawls.
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Jun 9, 2018 05:37
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C ya later
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Jun 9, 2018 07:38
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So, Russia, France, Egypt, Hungary, and Bavaria are likely voting for us. Morocco, Hannover and Vakhtani are likely to vote against us. Our pile of votes is more likely to suffer a low-odds critical defection though. More importantly though, we'll probably get something, but if a majority of the votes are split between A and B, but the largest bloc votes C, what happens? Does C carry the day or does the vote default to B? Last vote it made sense to go with the Jefferson method, without bothering with a (true) second round, since the neutral buffer states weren't really as much of a compromise as a different option (desite there being almost no chance the pro-Vakhtani camp would've gone full retard with the RNG and swapped to Crusader Egypt over buffer states), but in this case I really feel a vote for A or C should also be a secondary vote for B, as it's a very natural compromise. Could we have a look at our relations? rarx fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Jun 9, 2018 07:56
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A. All we're doing is putting Qattalun back into rightful hands: Ours.
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Jun 9, 2018 07:56
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Jun 9, 2018 09:09
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It'll also be a lot more fun if we've got a whole bunch of cores that can cause a crisis later.
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Jun 9, 2018 09:46
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Like there is Any other choice.
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Jun 9, 2018 11:21
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rarx posted:So, Russia, France, Egypt, Hungary, and Bavaria are likely voting for us. I get what you're saying, but having A just be a secondary vote for B kinda defeats the purpose, because then there would be no drawback at all to picking A. As it is, if C gets more votes than A or B (even if A and B together have a majority), we'll get nothing territory-wise. So the point of this vote is either to go for A and risk getting nothing, or go for the safer option B and come out with a much better chance of getting something. As for relations, working from memory they're along these lines: Russia: +200 France: +140 Bavaria: +140 Hungary: +140 Egypt: +140 Armenia: -90 Hannover: -90 Morocco: -200
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Jun 9, 2018 11:28
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Assuming 200 means a 90-9-1 chance, or somewhere close to those lines, we should get about 5 votes for A, 3-4 votes for B and 3-4 votes for C. It's hard to see C getting both countries at -90, but Hannover going for C would mean A could only afford to lose 1 country at +140 (since there's little chance Russia will go for B). A might be the right choice! rarx fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Jun 9, 2018 12:27
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A!
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Jun 9, 2018 13:59
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A!
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The Congress of Cádiz Finale: The Closing of the Congress The Majlis al-Shura votes overwhelmingly in favour of restoring all of Iberia to Al Andalus, thoroughly backed by their Grand Vizier and new Sultan - Raed Zulfiqar - who personally delivers an impassioned speech to the Congress urging them to recognise their claims.  This decision is seen as expansionistic and aggressive by several other congress powers, however, and Al Andalus will suffer diplomatically for it. That said, the careful political manoeuvring of the Majlis means that Al Andalus does not stand alone, with the Russian Empire declaring its support for the motion.  Russia was the only nation to stand forward and fully commit, however, with nobody else willing to see all of Iberia united under a single power. France-England, for example, did not want another great power bordering them, and so voted to restore northern Iberia but not Qattalun. Similar sentiments were echoed by Egypt, Bavaria and Hungary, each of whom were worried about growing Andalusi influence on the world stage.  Meanwhile, the opposition to Al Andalus was spearheaded by Morocco, who insisted on granting both northern Iberia and Qattalun independence. The Kingdom of Hannover supported this motion, still bitter about Andalusi opposition to their own proposals, earlier in the Congress. And backing the two great powers was Armenia, which was sandwiched between Russia and Egypt, and was now dedicated to bettering their relations with Morocco.  The final tally comes to three votes for Option A (Russia, Al Andalus), four votes for Option B (France, Bavaria, Hungary, Egypt) and five votes for Option C (Morocco, Hannover, Armenia). And so the declaration is made: northern Iberia will be granted independence as the Kingdom of León-Castille, and the Emirate of Qattalun will be restored. The announcement is met with jeers and anger from the Andalusi camps, but having antagonised two of the great powers, there is little that they can actually do about it now.  Despite having made little territorial gains, Al Andalus does not come away with nothing. They’ve loudly promoted and reinforced their claims on all of Iberia, with Sultan Zulfiqar himself taking to the stands and vehemently promising to see all of Iberia united before his death. The Russian Empire has already recognised them, and approval will come from other congress powers with time. The world will not soon forget Andalusi claims, that much was certain.  On that sour note, the Congress finally comes to a close. The great powers had met with a simple mission: to establish a balance of power that would give rise to an enduring peace in Europe and the Near East. Sincere enough on the surface, perhaps, but these ideals were quickly undercut by expansionistic policies, transparent rivalries and secretive agreements between several of the great powers. And already, experts and spectators alike are beginning to question the motives of the Congress…  In Iberia, two new nations have come into being: León-Castille and Qattalun. The borders of Qattalun were restored to their boundaries under Tirruni, but León-Castille was instead organised along ethnic lines, with the kingdom granted any territories in which Castilians formed the majority or a slight plurality. As a result, Al Andalus has been allowed to retain several provinces with an Andalusi majority, including Majrit and Salamanqa.   Sultan Zulfiqar and the Majlis, however, see these as paltry concessions meant to placate them, and they’ve since made it clear that Al Andalus will be ardently rivalled to both León-Castille and Qattalun. Therefore, under the pretext of preserving the peace, the Moroccan Sultan has publicly guaranteed the independence of both nations, drawing them into his sphere of influence. War will come, without a doubt, a war that promises to be a daunting and thankless struggle for both Al Andalus and Morocco.  The Partition of the Tirruni Empire, meanwhile, saw Tirruni’s conquests restored to their former owners. France was thus granted territories in northern and western Occitania, the Kingdom of Provence was restored to eastern Occitania and western Italy, and Bavarian rule was reinstated in northern and eastern Italy. The cultural makeup of these lands has changed over the past half-century, however, and these borders have driven arbitrary lines between them. The Occitains are now divided between two states, the Italians are stuck under foreign rule, and the Swiss are left stateless. The Congress has thus turned this entire region into a hotbed of unrest and tension, with war and revolt promising to break out before long.   In the Balkans, on the other hand, the Congress has done the complete opposite. The Serbian conquests were ratified and legalised, in the interest of stability and long-term peace in the notoriously-unstable peninsula. The restored Kingdom of Serbia thus rules over a varied assortment Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Bulgarians and Greeks - all of whom are already agitating for independence - so if Serbia somehow comes out of this in one piece, it’ll be a miracle.  And in the Near East, the Congress adopted a two-state solution to the constant warring between Armenia and Egypt. The congress powers have warned both against invading these buffer states, but that simply means that the struggle for the Levant will have to continue in a different form - proxy wars. The Emirate of Syria is dominated by Arab Muslims, but is ruled by an Armenian emir, effectively guaranteeing close co-operation between Syria and Armenia. The Kingdom of Outremer is similarly dominated by Muslims, but it’s ruled by a Christian prince from a lower branch of the Apanoub dynasty, who quickly aligns his nation closer to his cousins in Egypt.  This is the so-called Peace of Cádiz. Liberal sympathies have been suppressed, and nationalist tensions inflamed. Peoples have been granted sovereignty in one place, and denied it in others. Outright annexations have been ratified for some, and vilified for others. The Congress of Cádiz has proven to be unstable and indecisive, with the great powers unable to agree on a single policy to establish an enduring peace, and thus collapsing into a confusing mess of empty promises and hypocritical policies. One question remains: has the Congress truly managed to fulfil its aims and establish an enduring peace, or has it simply sown the seeds for another century of devastating war and ruinous conflict? Only time will tell. 
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Jun 9, 2018 19:00
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lol welp 
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Jun 9, 2018 19:06
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Mantis42 posted:Watch the final vote be 4-3-5 and we get nothing.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:07
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That Tirruni story does not bode well.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:12
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So this universe has the actual Balkans and then also the Alpine/Iberian/Provencal Knockoff Balkans. Double the Balkans is gonna own so hard, I can't wait to see how much worse this timeline can get.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:17
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Ain't no Metternich in this timeline! I'm OK with how this turned out for us. We've got the cores we need, and we're now on good terms with the Franglish, Bavarians, Hungarians, and on great terms with Russia. 22 infamy is a bunch, but it'll be gone within a couple decades. Meanwhile, Morocco is going to be at war almost immediately due to their colonial possessions trying to throw off their yoke, and just bagged 8 infamy for sphereing Leon and Qattalunya on top of whatever they got for taking the Peloponnese while royally pissing off Bavaria, France, Hungary, and Russia. Meanwhile, we have most of the best parts of Iberia, and Leon is IIRC basically a backwater while Qattalunya has a bunch of nice cities. And we have cores on the Moroccan territory. Iberia WILL be reunited.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:17
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No matter, we shall see the soil soaked with Moroccan blood when they try to withhold our rightful land from us.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:19
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A sad but not unexpected result. I guarantee that weakass partition will not last the decade, by Allah Iberia will be whole!
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Jun 9, 2018 19:21
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This Congress is a sham! drat Morocco, drat the northern traitors, and drat Al-Andalus for betraying its true friends in their hour of need! We will have what is ours, just as we will see every man and nation that has wronged and belittled us punished!
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Jun 9, 2018 19:22
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Just lol at expecting France to support us.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:22
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Mantis42 posted:
Final vote was 3-4-5! Show's what you know. 
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Jun 9, 2018 19:23
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Wait, Hashim, is Al-Andalus the cultural union tag for Iberian cultures? It should be, I think. If it is then Quatalun and Castille can get pan-nationalists.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:30
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You absolute idiots, you all thought other great powers would support our massive claims? Now when we fight Morocco in the next 5 years, we will face not just one front but three.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:33
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NewMars posted:Wait, Hashim, is Al-Andalus the cultural union tag for Iberian cultures? It should be, I think. Castillans are never, ever going to revolt in favor of a muslim state, especially after the Mahdi.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:35
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Soup du Jour posted:Castillans are never, ever going to revolt in favor of a muslim state, especially after the Mahdi. Maybe not castille, but what about catalonia?
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Jun 9, 2018 19:38
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Castile also has a ton of muslims living under it that could well rise up and want to join, even if the ruling christian elite dont
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Jun 9, 2018 19:39
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Soup du Jour posted:Castillans are never, ever going to revolt in favor of a muslim state, especially after the Mahdi. Yeah. Hashim, what is the plan for Mahdists and their collaborators, in-universe? Also, just curious, who are the dynasties for Castille and Qattulun?
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ManifunkDestiny posted:You absolute idiots, you all thought other great powers would support our massive claims? Now when we fight Morocco in the next 5 years, we will face not just one front but three. I didn't expect them to support our claims. The cores are 100% of the reason I supported option A.
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