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The United States participating in a genocide as we speak right now in the Middle East should not be an excuse to relitigate a century old famine.
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it should actually; the soviets were evil oogabooga madmen that wanted to deliberately destroy the most fertile food producing region they controlled.
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Jun 5, 2018 17:32
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/irans-allies-are-preparing-a-genocide-in-yemen-but-theres-still-time-to-stop-it Iran's allies are preparing a genocide in Yemen. But there's still time to stop it Literally no mention of Saudi Arabia. Nothing. Cool. Nice. Love it. Kyle Matthews is executive director of the Montreal Institute for Genocide and Human Rights Studies at Concordia University. nice!
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Jun 5, 2018 22:49
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more like poopoo and doodoo studies
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Jun 6, 2018 00:12
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Huragok posted:more like poopoo and doodoo studies Egg Moron has issued a correction as of 01:50 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 01:03
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Huragok posted:more like poopoo and doodoo studies
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Jun 6, 2018 01:34
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they’re going to let all the Baha’i starve to death and blame it on the Houthis.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:45
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Minge Binge posted:Kyle Matthews is executive director of the Montreal Institute for Genocide and Human Rights Studies at Concordia University. you know these guys are experts on genocide because they're focusing on the most dangerous issues today, Russian corruption and Venezuelan politics. https://twitter.com/MIGSinstitute/status/1003722194596302848 https://twitter.com/MIGSinstitute/status/1003726136046694400 Full circle 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8VWUV1S9yk
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Yinlock posted:i've only ever seen the notion of ~are sovereignty~ used to support real nationalistic/xenophobic bullshit None of the national sovereignty people actually care about it as a principle, just using it as a cudgel. Yemen is actually a great example because the Saudis and Emiratis are there at the behest of the legitimate, UN-recognized Hadi government, so if you were truly a diehard national-sovereigntist you'd have to support that war too.
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Thug Lessons posted:None of the national sovereignty people actually care about it as a principle, just using it as a cudgel. Yemen is actually a great example because the Saudis and Emiratis are there at the behest of the legitimate, UN-recognized Hadi government, so if you were truly a diehard national-sovereigntist you'd have to support that war too. This is a bit disingenuous, as I suspect that most national sovereigntists are, like me (or at least I was until now) unaware that that is the reason that the Saudis/Emiratis are there. The sense I got from the media was that this was just some random Saudi power play.
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CountFosco posted:This is a bit disingenuous, as I suspect that most national sovereigntists are, like me (or at least I was until now) unaware that that is the reason that the Saudis/Emiratis are there. The sense I got from the media was that this was just some random Saudi power play. That's because it is, and thug lessons being disingenious is a given presumption
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Jun 7, 2018 13:06
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Yinlock posted:i've only ever seen the notion of ~are sovereignty~ used to support real nationalistic/xenophobic bullshit Westphalia is breaking op
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Jun 7, 2018 13:17
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Soveirnty is an impediment to human progress. A "legitimate" government has no right to the destinies of those within its borders. If you accept sovereignty, you must also accept that states have the right to rule soveirnly, meaning that laws like the death penalty for homosexuality cannot be intervened against.
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Jun 9, 2018 04:48
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States have a right to protect their sovereignty from foreign backed terrorists who savagely murder minorities. Also.
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Jun 9, 2018 05:00
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im a real leftist who just loves it when nationalist dictatorships enforce their sovereignty
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Jun 9, 2018 05:03
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I got the sovereign right to gently caress YOUR rear end UP
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Jun 9, 2018 05:04
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Yinlock posted:i've only ever seen the notion of ~are sovereignty~ used to support real nationalistic/xenophobic bullshit Depends on how you define it. The kind of sovereignty that's synonymous with self-determination is good, whereas the kind that's opposed to it is bad. And I guess the second definition is more common.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Depends on how you define it. The kind of sovereignty that's synonymous with self-determination is good, whereas the kind that's opposed to it is bad. And I guess the second definition is more common. Self-determination is bad. Nationalism, of any type, inherently elevates a community and creates a hierarchy.
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HorrificExistence posted:Self-determination is bad. Nationalism, of any type, inherently elevates a community and creates a hierarchy. You either have no understanding of how anything works or you're an imperialist bitch
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Jun 9, 2018 05:18
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Jeb! Repetition posted:You either have no understanding of how anything works or you're an imperialist bitch Nationalism is the deadliest ideology of all time. Humanity is doomed without internationalism, all communities are secondary to the unity of humankind.
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Jun 9, 2018 05:23
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India should have been ruled as part of the British empire forever because self-determination is bad nationalism and hierarchy. I'm a leftist, and a smart one at that
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Recommended: https://www.amazon.com/Really-Existing-Nationalisms-Post-Communist-Engels/dp/0198279590 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch01.htm#v20pp72-395
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nationalism is better than colonialism and imperialism obviously but its not a good thing
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Jeb! Repetition posted:India should have been ruled as part of the British empire forever because self-determination is bad nationalism and hierarchy. I'm a leftist, and a smart one at that As long as people have their non-humanistic idols (flags, gods, non-universalized cultural myths) humanity will be divided and communism will be impossible. We have a duty to usher this world to its death and allow the new one to take root in its ashes. I have no doubt the conflagration will seem cruel, but terror is merely the fist of liberty.
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HorrificExistence posted:As long as people have their non-humanistic idols (flags, gods, non-universalized cultural myths) humanity will be divided and communism will be impossible. We have a duty to usher this world to its death and allow the new one to take root in its ashes. I have no doubt the conflagration will seem cruel, but terror is merely the fist of liberty. Sorry, no posadism here.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:nationalism is better than colonialism and imperialism obviously but its not a good thing Self-determination is nationalism specifically when it's anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist. It is a good thing HorrificExistence posted:As long as people have their non-humanistic idols (flags, gods, non-universalized cultural myths) humanity will be divided and communism will be impossible. We have a duty to usher this world to its death and allow the new one to take root in its ashes. I have no doubt the conflagration will seem cruel, but terror is merely the fist of liberty. Okay so you're at a level of abstraction where you don't actually care about making the world better for anybody, fine
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nationalism utterly tore apart Actually Existing Socialism in the 20th century. trying to achieve socialism with anti-imperialist nationalism is condemned to failure. socialism will need to be internationalist or it will fail again.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:nationalism utterly tore apart Actually Existing Socialism in the 20th century. trying to achieve socialism with anti-imperialist nationalism is condemned to failure. socialism will need to be internationalist or it will fail again. Pretty sure imperalism did about 10 times as much to hurt socialism in the 20th century as nationalism did
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Pretty sure imperalism did about 10 times as much to hurt socialism in the 20th century as nationalism did Nationalism easily killed 300 million people. And when does Self-determination become imperialism? Israel is the result of anti-colonel revolution, when it fights for its national interest, is that imperialism?
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wrong thread lamo
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HorrificExistence posted:Nationalism easily killed 300 million people. Israel is imperialist because it's infringing on Palestine's self-determination You dumb, dumb rear end
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if you can look at the collapse of the soviet union or yugoslavia and tell me with a straight face it wasnt nationalism that ultimately destroyed them, you might be a redneck. the primary reason most of the warsaw pact split off was not a consequence of socialist economics but nationalist reaction to perceived russian dominance. im not saying nationalism is not a useful tool, especially against imperialism. but in the long term socialism will need to be built with an internationalist goal of liberating all of humanity and abolishing the nationstate
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:if you can look at the collapse of the soviet union or yugoslavia and tell me with a straight face it wasnt nationalism that ultimately destroyed them, you might be a redneck. the primary reason most of the warsaw pact split off was not a consequence of socialist economics but nationalist reaction to perceived russian dominance. Alright, point taken. But a corrupt bourgeoisie state like that of Assad is preferable for the path of socialism then some reactionary wahabist hellhole that would take over if America intervened.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:if you can look at the collapse of the soviet union or yugoslavia and tell me with a straight face it wasnt nationalism that ultimately destroyed them, you might be a redneck. the primary reason most of the warsaw pact split off was not a consequence of socialist economics but nationalist reaction to perceived russian dominance. That's debatable, but the important point here is if you let the long term ideal prevent people from getting emancipated in the short term you're a dumb rear end in a top hat
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Ace of Baes posted:Counterpoint: Well no, my second link was written as a specific counterpoint to that
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Israel is imperialist because it's infringing on Palestine's self-determination But it's an existential struggle! If the Palestinians won wouldn't they be the imperialists??? It's almost like the idea of nationhood is built on reactionary principles and by definition oppressive.
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By the way nothing I'm saying is ultimately in support of US intervention in Syria which I'm againstHorrificExistence posted:But it's an existential struggle! If the Palestinians won wouldn't they be the imperialists??? Won what? Their right to fuckin exist? Stop talking at me
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Jeb! Repetition posted:That's debatable, but the important point here is if you let the long term ideal prevent people from getting emancipated in the short term you're a dumb rear end in a top hat Emancipation just means the flag changes apparently.
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