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Pirate Radar posted:The next door for you will be the Spider Door, yeah, and yes, certain 8 point lores show you the way to it. If you don't know which, just try dropping various lores into the slot and it will tell you when you have the right type but not enough of it.. Thanks, I had it after all! Must have dreamed on it instead of using it on the way. I also had the necessary to move straight on through the next door too, which I can repeat after repairing my instrument, so guess I'll work on these higher level expeditions for a while. I didn't bother repeating the spider door due to the cost involved and already needing that on the regular for my enlightenment obsession. Is there a definite source of scholar: phrygian? i've had this book for ages. or just grind expeditions and I'll find it? Got deep mandaic from an expedition and vak from the peacock door
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Ayn Randi posted:Is there a definite source of scholar: phrygian? i've had this book for ages. Yes, there's at least one tutor: a summon that takes grail and forge.
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i saw something about an auction house mentioned a couple places but i havent actually seen it except in the privileged life background. does it show up if im just a moron
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Verviticus posted:i saw something about an auction house mentioned a couple places but i havent actually seen it except in the privileged life background. does it show up if im just a moron Keep exploring and you'll find it eventually.
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Jun 9, 2018 06:20
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Deep lore speculation: So the Forge of Days split the sun into two: the sun of the mundane world, and the Glory, the sun in the dream-world? I guess that's the reason for the name, 'Forge of Days', because before the division, there were no nights to divide the days. I suspect that this division is what allowed for the creation of the Hours, though I've got nothing but a hunch based on the talk of Winter having a doomed romance with the sun - if the splitting of the sun is what allowed for Winter's ascension, that would be rather fitting. It would make Forge and Winter the eldest of the Hours, even older than Wheel and Flint and Tide.
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Jun 9, 2018 07:20
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(Peacock Door discussion)Beefeater1980 posted:So despite swearing off it I was drawn back in long enough to get a standard enlightenment victory. It was a bitch getting all the timers together, I nearly lost all my health and died coz I missed seeing the slider, and I forgot how to ascend and had to keep eating my disciples to avoid running out of Reason. Kaethela posted:There's a level 12 Knock tool that gets you in without breaking every time. I cannot remember the name of it, but you should be able to pick it up doing expeditions. Also, if it helps, there's more than one mirror that gets you into the Door. Conceivably you could be rotating them through Dream and Talk, if you're okay keeping Talk occupied all the time.
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Jun 9, 2018 07:54
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Tehan posted:Deep lore speculation: It almost feels like Moth has a closer link to night than Winter does.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:15
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I feel like I'm on the cusp of a victory and now I'm basically down to grinding without anything actually progression-y to do I've hit up the peacock door for the 15 lantern influence and I can use that or use it for ascension or to get a 12 lantern summon. i have my 10 lantern followers, and I've got a 10 lore scrap but my best lantern items are a mirror at 8 and a stone at 4, I don't seem to have any rite that will allow me to combine all my highest tier instances of lantern at once so I'm stuck a point or two off 36 with the best I can get. Am I down to basically grind spinatrae to repair my mirror, to then grind peacock door for SH to open expeditions to grind for lantern books/treasures/a better rite to get me over the line now? Menaces are basically a nonissue, can't remember having to worry about notoriety or dread in forever, feeding pawns to my prisoner hunger when i'm on an expedition and havent recruited a hireling but they're otherwise basically useless anyway, and feel like i'm mostly just running out the clock currently
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Jun 9, 2018 08:18
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Ayn Randi posted:I feel like I'm on the cusp of a victory and now I'm basically down to grinding without anything actually progression-y to do I'm at basically the same point you are except with Forge instead of Lantern. Just grinding away looking for more Forge lore so I can get to that big 36 goal. My only advice really is to keep plugging away because, for instance, 8 isn't the max for items so if you're a point or two off there then any expedition could theoretically put you over the top. EDIT: Unrelated but every time a summoned minion fails at destroying evidence it's simultaneously aggravating and hilarious to me. Did the cops arrest my Raw Prophet??? How many pairs of handcuffs did they need???
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Jun 9, 2018 08:22
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Ayn Randi posted:I feel like I'm on the cusp of a victory and now I'm basically down to grinding without anything actually progression-y to do That part of the game is definitely the weakest part, but there's a rite to combine Influence/Assistant/Lore that you can get from one of the books sold at the auction house.
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Incidentally I'm gonna try to get the highest level Secret Histories before going for the victory, so I'll report back what Expedition that gives me
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Jun 9, 2018 08:27
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Pirate Radar posted:I'm at basically the same point you are except with Forge instead of Lantern. Just grinding away looking for more Forge lore so I can get to that big 36 goal. My only advice really is to keep plugging away because, for instance, 8 isn't the max for items so if you're a point or two off there then any expedition could theoretically put you over the top. It is to be assumed that they called in either the army or the occult resources available to the Suppression Bureau. By implication the mortals that ended you were all pensioned off afterwards, a more civilised alternative to purging. I like to think they get sent to The Village from The Prisoner.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:36
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Ayn Randi posted:I feel like I'm on the cusp of a victory and now I'm basically down to grinding without anything actually progression-y to do Can't you combine the summon, the influence, and the lore for 37? I could be wrong but I think summons can act as assistants on rituals.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:38
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Does anyone else get the thing where level 6 Secret Histories only give you Unnumbered Stones? I've done this Expedition ten times by now.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:43
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I think each tier has one repeating location, so you may have just done all the other ones in that tier?
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Yeah, each tier has three or four regular ones that can only be done once, and one that can be repeated, but has more obstacles and gives less loot.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:55
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Ascension process spoiler for massive quality of life improvement: feeding reason to the periodic event doesn't consume reason, it just exhausts it, which should be utterly trivial at that point I actually get annoyed when I eat a prisoner, because they'd be better used for the Spider Door
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I'm at a point in the game where the only thing I usually use summons for is destroying evidence, because I can pass any Expedition hazard but I don't want to risk my Moth disciples dealing with evidence.megane posted:I think each tier has one repeating location, so you may have just done all the other ones in that tier? Tehan posted:Yeah, each tier has three or four regular ones that can only be done once, and one that can be repeated, but has more obstacles and gives less loot. Oh okay, I hadn't spent enough time on other tiers to realize that.
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Also re the lion, boar, bull and donkey ARG stuff, and to show how badly this game affects us all: “De Leone, alto, tauro et asino” (On the Lion, The Boar, The Bull and the rear end) is the 16th in the first chapter of Aesop’s fables by a Caxton print from the 15th century. It goes like this (apologies for my translation to any proper scholars): “When a man has lost his dignity or office He must give up his initial audacity or hardiness Fast So he is not injured and mocked by all Just as Aesop showed in a similar fable There was a lion that in his youth was fierce and tore it up Proper Outrageous Then when he got old A Wild Boar came up And TORE HIS poo poo UP like, I’m talking body parts over here, over there, steaming intestines in the trees, generally hanging, in revenge for the lion eating and killing the poo poo out of boars in his youth Then came the bull, who took one look and then charged him with horns, hurting the lion terribly Then the donkey got his in and kicked the poor lion right in the head as he was lying there after these last couple of assaults Then the lion burst into tears and said “When I was young and powerful everyone had some loving respect, they feared me. And now, I’m old and feeble and close to death, ain’t nobody thinks I’m worth a poo poo, y’all calling me weak and useless. And that makes it loving worse.” AND THEREFORE THIS FABLE WARNS MANY THAT ARE RAISED IN DIGNITY AND DEFERENCE SHOWED TO THEM HOW THEY MUST BE MEEK AND HUMBLE, FOR JOHNNY NO-FRIENDS IS TOTES AT RISK OF THIS”
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pretty sure that no reasonable scholar would object to your translation
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Pirate Radar posted:Incidentally I'm gonna try to get the highest level Secret Histories before going for the victory, so I'll report back what Expedition that gives me Assuming the highest SH is 12 I got an 8 knock tool, a 12 knock ingredient, a second lantern mirror and a vek translation book off the one i did Edit: I think it was 12.. might have been 10 on reflection, vagabonds something power word- Jeb! posted:Can't you combine the summon, the influence, and the lore for 37? I could be wrong but I think summons can act as assistants on rituals. i don't have a rite that will take all 3 of assistant influence and invocation, the assistant one takes tools instead of influences GreyjoyBastard posted:Ascension process spoiler for massive quality of life improvement: feeding reason to the periodic event doesn't consume reason, it just exhausts it, which should be utterly trivial at that point it doesn't consume the stats however it does de-rank you in number of marks if you miss the correct offering, so you'll have to wait to earn them back to 6 before you can ascend when you are ready Ayn Randi fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Ayn Randi posted:Assuming the highest SH is 12 I got an 8 knock tool, a 12 knock ingredient, a second lantern mirror and a vek translation book off the one i did Just like other Lores, it's 14, and after finishing the Expedition I got a thing to teach me Vak, a book, and... something I've never seen before.
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Autonomous Monster posted:On that note: why is Fucine called Fucine? Phrygian and Mandaic are both given their typical names, but as far as I can tell Fucine is usually called Marsian? According to Alexis Kennedy, it was changed to avoid confusion with the language of little green men from flying saucers.
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My hunter ignored the five chunks of Notoriety on the board to grab the corpse I was going to raise as a zombie to murder them 
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(victory) Just won myself a Power victory. Feels good. Have to say I expected there to be some kind of check or challenge after I started/finished the Rite (I used the one with a bunch of slots) but nah, you just win. Cool though. EDIT: Actually now that I think about it that was kind of underwhelming? Pirate Radar fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Pirate Radar posted:(victory) In the save file, the victories currently in the game are referred to as minor victories. There may be greater challenges to come.
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Tehan posted:In the save file, the victories currently in the game are referred to as minor victories. There may be greater challenges to come. I hope so. Also, now I definitely want to figure out how to pass through the Tricuspid Gate.
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Pirate Radar posted:I hope so. Also, now I definitely want to figure out how to pass through the Tricuspid Gate. You do pass the gate in the endings we have, it's just that that's the end of the game. The enlightenment ending feels pretty final, in that the character passes on to a place where the audience can't meaningfully follow. The power ending on the other hand feels like its just a first step towards the actual goal of becoming an hour.
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ZeusJupitar posted:You do pass the gate in the endings we have, it's just that that's the end of the game. I just mean that there’s an achievement that appears to be for passing through the gate during the game, possibly as part of a Major Victory or something.
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My tentative list of the Hours: Velvet Winter, AKA the Sun-in-Rags Forge-of-Days Moth Grail Meniscate Madrugad The Sister-and-Witch Thunderskin Elegiast Mother of Ants The Colonel But of course there'd be twelve hours. I don't think the Watchman is an Hour. I don't know what he is. The Sun-in-Splendour used to be an Hour, as did Wheel, Flint and Tide. Before the Sun-in-Splendour was sundered, mortals couldn't become hours - they couldn't even access the Mansus. I think some of the current hours predate the sundering, and are therefore not originally human. Edit: Another thing that's become apparent: 1. Once, mortals could not access the Mansus. 2. Someone/something/many someones or something battered down the Stag Door, and sundered the Sun-in-Splendour. 3. Now everyone who dies, or drat near to it, ends up in the Mansus. No word on where the souls of the dead were going before this, but... yikes. This implies some really heinous damage to the cosmology of the universe was done. Tehan fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Tehan posted:
Heinous damage done to time? Space? Death? Undeath? Sounds like Fallen Londons world to me. Another thing to consider is that some of the Hours might have more than one name.
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Tehan posted:Yeah, each tier has three or four regular ones that can only be done once, and one that can be repeated, but has more obstacles and gives less loot. Exactly four regular and one repeatable. The repeatable is generally harder for worse rewards; I think you're generally better merging those lores than doing the repeatable expeditions. Ayn Randi posted:Assuming the highest SH is 12 14, if you credit it. No way to get them but merging 12s, as far as I know  Ayn Randi posted:i don't have a rite that will take all 3 of assistant influence and invocation, the assistant one takes tools instead of influences Oh man, you didn't get the Sunset Rite? It drops from STUMM!, which is guaranteed from the auction house. It takes assistant, invocation and influence, and the influence is what it burns. I never use anything else. Apparently there's a rite out there that takes a lore, a prisoner, a tool, an ingredient AND an influence (and burns them all), but I've never found it. Tehan posted:deepest lore Mmm. Before you get too deep into this, there's a google doc with a compilation of basically everything the community has pieced together, including lists of Hours, their aspects, origins, a history etc. Oh, and Weather Factory tweeted a whole bunch of the Hours on tarot cards in the run up to release: https://twitter.com/factoryweather/status/997899806583422976 They're gorgeous:                      
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Autonomous Monster posted:Exactly four regular and one repeatable. The repeatable is generally harder for worse rewards; I think you're generally better merging those lores than doing the repeatable expeditions. I got stumm! But it tells me I need a projector to use it which I never got 
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Drop it in study it'll give you another slot for funds I didn't notice it at first either
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Yeah, that and the medicine slot for afflictions confounded me for the longest time. Here's a tip: if you click an empty slot in a verb, every card on the table that can go in that slot will glow. Also every slot will list what sort of thing it takes, but the glowing is better because you don't need to check every card looking for what aspects they have.
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Those Hour cards are fantastic
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With STUMM! you just add a funds. I used the rite it gave me to win so uhhhh it seems pretty important.
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Pirate Radar posted:With STUMM! you just add a funds. feel free to spoiler but to what verb? nothing highlighted for me but maybe it just was in use at the time, so far it's just been a nothing card for me
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Ayn Randi posted:feel free to spoiler but to what verb? nothing highlighted for me but maybe it just was in use at the time, so far it's just been a nothing card for me Study. It's just a weird sort of book.
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