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How is shooting generally even a defense anyway? Shooting generally with a sniper rifle at crowds of people is not considered cool either.
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Flayer posted:How is shooting generally even a defense anyway? Shooting generally with a sniper rifle at crowds of people is not considered cool either. Exactly. I feel we have been sidetracked here (as in the discussion in UKMT re 'sea-lioning') instead of focusing on the basic issue.
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Well but you see, she wasn't an angel. I'm still amazed that the IDF spokesperson literally said "she wasn't an angel". What the hell, who is??? It's such a ridiculous statement even without the poetic exaggeration like, the standards for not getting shot are not "be perfectly innocent". And really the fact that this was topped with "But anyway, we didn't really shoot all that much that day, and we certainly didn't aim any of it directly at her, so maybe we didn't shoot her at all and she got hit by some shrapnel, I mean, who knows right?". That's really some good hasbara right there, I'm sure many folks on the fence are gonna be swayed by that. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 16:11
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It is, word for word, the same thing said in the US when the cops murder a black person
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Well but you see, she wasn't an angel. Yeah I've had pro-IDF folk come up with crap as banal as 'Palestinians aren't all angels you know' (yes I do, some of my best friends etc... ) as if the fact that non-payment of a car repair bill and throwing your phone SIM away so the garage can't come after you, or whatever justifies the full might of white phosphorus, illegal bullets, shooting dead fishermen or farmers 100s of metres away from a notional 'border', shooting a bunch of lads watching a football game in a cafe, kids on beaches etc etc, tear gassing kids on their way to school, spraying whole streets with skunk spray (the stuff that smells like raw sewage not the 'hey man let's get high' stuff), ripping up olive groves, demolishing homes with 15 minutes notice, knock knock bomb on the roof and you have literally 55 seconds to get out of the house before it gets blown up yet knowing that if you leave the house there are IDF snipers waiting in the streets to get you... yeah. Not angels. Deserve all that.  
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Jun 7, 2018 16:27
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kidkissinger posted:I'm just going to assume they are intentionally mistranslating here, right? They cut off her final words. She is sarcastically saying "I act as a human shield that protects the wounded"
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steinrokkan posted:They cut off her final words. Thank you 
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Jun 7, 2018 16:55
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well, the did IDF turn her into an angel
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Jun 7, 2018 17:03
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https://forward.com/opinion/402571/why-israelis-wont-apologize-for-killing-of-gaza-nurse/ have i mentioned how much i hate the forward?
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Because the current Hamas offensive is classic asymmetrical warfare, presented in the media as F-35 jets and Merkava tanks against slingshots and kites. The Israeli public knows better: not only are those rocks and kites lethal, lol how do you not immediately die of a sudden lack of self-respect after typing this
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Jun 7, 2018 17:37
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legit nazi poo poo.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:46
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If there was a god that author would get murdered with a kite.
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-won-t-sue-killers-of-palestinian-teenager-for-compensation-1.6152034 The guy who poured gasoline down a teenager's throat and burnt him to death unsurprisingly looks like the jewish version of DemoniusX
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double nine posted:bullets are just an environmental hazard inside gaza. Fluke of nature kinda deal, nothing to be done about it It's gonna turn out we've been wrong about Israel all this time, and it just so happens that the region is home to a rare natural phenomenon where portals randomly appear and produce bullets and other military projectiles. edit: Imagine for a moment that you, an innocent and honorable IDF soldier, are standing watch with your rifle, when suddenly a bullet portal appears at its tip while in front of Palestinian civilians. Your life ruined*, in an instant, because of the whims of mother nature. * for some very, very loose definition of "ruined" Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 20:38
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Nebalebadingdong posted:https://forward.com/opinion/402571/why-israelis-wont-apologize-for-killing-of-gaza-nurse/ Odd - the Forward has changed the way they describe Lenny Ben-David's prior history. This one only describes him as "served as a senior diplomat in Washington" and "Director of Publications at a Jerusalem think tank", as well as mentioning his book. It's significantly trimmed down from how they described him in March: quote:Lenny Ben-David worked for AIPAC from 1972-1997. He moved to Israel and opened AIPACs Jerusalem office in 1982. After serving as Deputy Chief of Mission in Israels Washington Embassy, he worked as a consultant and as a foreign agent for the governments of Turkey and Georgia. Today, he is the Director of Publications at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs and author of American Interests in the Holy Land (Urim, 2017). Almost as if they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they gave an opinion slot to a professional propagandist.
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quote:In Israel, investigations take place. Criminal acts are prosecuted. Due process is carried out, sometimes not as quickly as we would like. There is no rush to judgment despite the insatiable demands of social media and cable news. This part is especially  considering that Israel just dropped charges against an IDF soldier because they didn't want to release stats on how often they bring charges against IDF members, lmbo
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his timeline is a nightmare (and of course he has a marble statue as his av) https://twitter.com/lennybendavid
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Lol I missed this earlier. https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042?s=20 Twitter is something else
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steinrokkan posted:They cut off her final words. I dont think this has got enough attention. They cut off hose final words and have been sharing it through official accounts and hasbara monkeys as showing that she was a human shield for terrorists. That she was no angel. That she deserved to die or, at least, brought it on herself. A Palestinian, even when clearly murdered, is less than human to the Israeli state. On an individual basis, how is the soldier who murdered her, the commander who knows where every bullet goes, the propaganda people who put out lies to defame her in death, the trolls who attack every thread memorialising her better than any random Nazi in the 1930s? Netanyahus Willing Executioners.
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https://twitter.com/Ali_Kourani/status/1004850086084579328 https://twitter.com/uwu70/status/1004648431607009280
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steinrokkan posted:They cut off her final words. Where can I find the original video?
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Nebalebadingdong posted:Where can I find the original video? https://twitter.com/joedyke/status/1004681270654390272?s=21
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-a8389611.htmlquote:The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has been widely criticised for releasing a video in which footage of killed Palestinian medic Razan al-Najjar has been edited in order to portray her as not an angel.
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brings to mind rachel "saint pancake" corrie. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nebalebadingdong posted:It is, word for word, the same thing said in the US when the cops murder a black person gently caress that. Forgetting the extremely obvious examples of shooting a fat guy waddling away from you six times in the back, there is generally a shimmer of a chance the shooting victim could be a threat as they are generally very close to one another. I'm not defending bad police shootings, but shooting a guy you are trying to cuff who is scuffling with you is way different then hitting an obviously unarmed person from 200 yards away. While you are in cover. And not being fired upon. By anyone. Edit - Ah gently caress, I should have read what you were responding to closer. You're right, sorry. "We shouldn't have shot him, but he was SHOPLIFTING before".
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Yes, IDF soldiers shooting from behind their protected positions, using rounds that violate the Hague and Geneva conventions, that is a next level of evil, but I believe the "he was no angel" phrase originated from the Trayvon Martin case, did it not?
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steinrokkan posted:Yes, IDF soldiers shooting from behind their protected positions, using rounds that violate the Hague and Geneva conventions, that is a next level of evil, but I believe the "he was no angel" phrase originated from the Trayvon Martin case, did it not? "No angel" has existed as long as there were people unjustly killed and a media around to defend the killers. The term "No Angel" only really got made into a parody after Twitter existed so a bunch of people could easily dismantle what the meaning behind it was very publicly. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:brings to mind rachel "saint pancake" corrie. That's hosed up dude. Real heartless.
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http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1528467876quote:Are YOU Brainwashed?
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That is extremely long winded. As a person living in this bullshit I can safely say that people believe what they want to be true, no one wants to feel like the bad guy. The government propaganda helps shape the narrative but people purposefully keep themselves hateful and ignorant, no one is a Manchurian candidate.
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https://twitter.com/chaimlevinson/status/1005462727966552065 "Segev Moshe is preparing this praline and pink candy dessert for Sebastian Kurz's official visit."
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:That is extremely long winded. Brain washing is something that can just happen if someone is in the right environment. It doesn't have to be something dramatic like a Manchurian candidate. It's anything that doesn't just shape your opinion but shapes how you come to your opinions. Changes the way you think. If certain people in your society seem unable to ever deduce fact from fiction and constantly seem to view everything distorted then they absolutely are brainwashed. It's the same phenomenon happening to lots of young white males in America. The world seems like a lovely place and suddenly Hillary is a cannibal and there is a world wide conspiracy of women, who are actually dragons of chaos, to keep the white man down. It's brainwashing on a scale no one knows how to deal with. And no, I don't think the brainwashing is being done by anyone. It's just something that is happening because of the internet and current events. It's spontaneous.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/chaimlevinson/status/1005462727966552065 WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH For reference, Segev Moshe is Netanyahu's chef, he previously got people to talk about him when he fed Shinzo Abe some shoe-colates.
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Cat Mattress posted:WAR IS PEACE To be clear, this is a joke by Levinson.
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Groovelord Neato posted:brings to mind rachel "saint pancake" corrie. captainblastum posted:That's hosed up dude. Real heartless. hahahah i got loving reported and probated for that? jfc. i was comparing them saying the nurse was "no angel" to all the right wing fucks (a particular favorite over at little green footballs) calling rachel corrie "saint pancake" after she got crushed trying to protect a home from an israeli bulldozer. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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Bibi is changing tack. https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1005784496430551044?s=20 Don't think many people are going to buy that the Israeli government gives a flying gently caress about the Iranian people.
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Is it "an offer they can't refuse"?
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Volkerball posted:Bibi is changing tack. Are they going to care if it's good information? He's not wrong about Israel's water technology, although one has to wonder about how Palestinians need to live on handful of hours of water a month while Israel takes up all the water aquifers. Personally, I would be worried about malware on this website and the security forces blocking it regardless of whether there's malware. Polygynous posted:Is it "an offer they can't refuse"? They can just not go to the website, so no? 
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Nukes are totally scary and we need to keep countries from getting them, PS Israel is now trying to buddy up with Fuckin' Iran after they have access to nuclear material 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Are they going to care if it's good information? He's not wrong about Israel's water technology, although one has to wonder about how Palestinians need to live on handful of hours of water a month while Israel takes up all the water aquifers. That's going to depend on the meat and potatoes of the website. If it's just a geocities page that says "recycle ur water" I doubt anyone will pay much attention. Israel would obviously be wanting to present themselves as doing this more than they actually want to do it. But if it's actually a good resource then that's a different story. VPN's are ubiquitous in Iran so that's not an issue. I'd be more concerned about accurate translation to Farsi. Neurolimal posted:Nukes are totally scary and we need to keep countries from getting them, PS Israel is now trying to buddy up with Fuckin' Iran after they have access to nuclear material Trying to undermine the government amidst a bunch of protests against it isn't exactly what I would call buddying up.
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