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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

just having a casual convo, not a full blown argument or anything
hey do you still post drawings here in CC? I remember seeing something of yours in one of the threads that was kinda cool and reminiscent of yume nikki. You should post more :D

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Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

a hole-y ghost posted:

hey do you still post drawings here in CC? I remember seeing something of yours in one of the threads that was kinda cool and reminiscent of yume nikki. You should post more :D

aw shucks. I only posted one pic, but maybe I will post more as I make em.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?
i'm not a Webcomic Artist™ but the rain makes me happy until such time that my clothes are soaked enough to make my crotch feel wet.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax

FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?
i live in a drought-stricken country so the rain fills me with joy and it sets all the frogs to singing

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?

happy, and yes

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
the rain makes me happy too, but the moon makes me solemn.


this broken hill posted:

i live in a drought-stricken country so the rain fills me with joy and it sets all the frogs to singing

that's marvelous!

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008

~Neck Angels~
The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.
imo fewer panels are better if you can do it without ending up with confusing scenes.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018




The panel number seems fine to me, you can switch to more panels when the setting's established more.

The font could do with being thicker, it looks a little scratchy and overwhelmed at the moment.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
You can use as many or as few panels as you like. People usually end up upping the panel count because they get frustrated with how much each update is advancing the story.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

the art looks very near finished to me! What more would you add.

I think of panels like paragraphs and try to include as much information, through text or dialogue, as a paragraph would. a page's length is a unit that it up to you.

gmc9987
Jul 25, 2007

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

I like the artwork, but IMO there's not enough contrast between the text and the background, I have to squint to read the text. There's a couple ways to tackle that, you could try making the font thicker or lightening the color so that there's more contrast between it and the background. One thing I would strongly recommend for readability though is to either alter your artwork or the text placement so that your text is all located on one solid color, rather than crossing over into different color and value fields that are in the background.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I have one small critique of the art, I think you go just a little too intense on the number of folds in the fabric, and the shadows cast by them are all kind of the same size so it makes that area look a little monotonous. I think it works better on the prisoner’s clothes since they are tattered rags, but on like the hat guy’s jacket you might expect it to crumple less since jackets are usually made of a stiffer material.

I agree with the text stuff but I don’t know the right treatment that will still look stylish and fit well with the art.

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008

~Neck Angels~
Thanks for the advice, everyone! I've gone back and made the text a little bolder, and I'm trying giving it a backdrop. The first panel has some terrible tangents going on with that, but I'll just need to fix that up. I'll still want to fix up the art too. At the very least, the text should be a lot more readable and I just need to figure out how to improve things other than that.




I don't know how well it really works as an opening, but eh.

vvvv Yeah I was worried about that.

ThePlague-Daemon fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jun 11, 2018

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Is that text spoken dialogue? Because right now it reads as narration.

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

choose your own horror isekai sci-fi Souls-like urban fantasy gamer simulator adventure

or don't?
So, Project Wonderful is ending, and ads will stop working in early July. That's... kind of how I do 90% of my webcomic advertising, so I'm now in a bit of a panic? Just a small one? A little baby panic?

How do other low key webcomic artists do their marketing? All the advertising services I've looked into required like... not independent regular guy money, they seemed to cater toward companies and the like. Obviously, word of mouth is ideal, but it's hard to snowball word of mouth when you're only pulling 500 -1000 visitors a day to begin with.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018




'only' 500-1000 a day... :allears:

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
"Only?" I think I get like 500 per month on an exceptional month and I've been casting pages into the howling void for 7 years.

With that kind of following you could probably actually leverage social media if you aren't already.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


If project wonderful is still effective for advertising why are they shutting down? Don't people still read ads on comic sites themselves instead of going on facebook for them? Or are they using "facebook is killing us!" as an excuse to close up shop.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018




It's definitely a question I'm interested in, though - I'm just starting out really, and I have no loving idea how to get people hooked in. My main schtick is that my mini-comics are dirt cheap to produce, so I can leave freebies scattered around the place. Beyond that and the usual 'dear god PLEASE share' messages, what do people do?

Like, there are a bajillion webcomics, how do you even begin to standout and reach the right people?

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax
i stand on a street corner and yell

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008

~Neck Angels~
Okay so I haven't had a chance to fix up the art, but how does this rough version look? That first panel bubble is pretty terrible, but how's the readability now?



FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
PW was nice and a neat idea but its scope always felt kinda limited....it always only seemed to advertise other webcomics, like it created a closed loop. reason #3,259 for the demise of webcomics

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
It made sense in 2007

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.

Neon Noodle posted:

It made sense in 2007

honestly the model makes sense! The "problem" with it was probably that it lacked Millions In Venture Capital so it couldn't quite reach the scope it needed to....i'm no economist tho

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)
drat I think my highest was getting 500 visitors in a month back when I updated more regularly. I too don't know what to do once PW shuts down. I have to withdraw the measly funds I generated but now I'm going to be relying totally on donations which don't come along much if you're not a regular updator/have a relatively large and dedicated fanbase. I never wanted to do Patreon because I hardly have the time to make the comic let alone the motivation to make the bonus poo poo that nobody really wants.
Oh well at least I sort of have a full time job to fund my art related purchases :smith:

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax
it's time for a revolution

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Okay so I haven't had a chance to fix up the art, but how does this rough version look? That first panel bubble is pretty terrible, but how's the readability now?





Those tails are way too long though. Just point them in the general direction of the speaker's mouth and you should be good.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018




sweeperbravo posted:

I never wanted to do Patreon because I hardly have the time to make the comic let alone the motivation to make the bonus poo poo that nobody really wants.

I've been using collages of prep sketches, WIP shots, the stuff that gets made anyway but doesn't usually go in the comic. Add a paragraph of text about your inspiration, and you're good.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
Not super sure what thread is best for this question, but it is comic related in a way.
I’ve been going around to zine festivals and selling some comics, and I just added an online store to my website so people can get digital downloads or order prints (not that it’ll be seeing all that much traffic anytime soon).

I already had a Wordpress site for my day job and just integrated a store into that with woocommerce, but noticed that most other artists use dedicated ecommerce sites like bigcartel or etsy. Does anyone know if there’s some inherent benefits to using sites like that over building your store off your main site? Do sites like bigcartel make you more visible to new readers? Are there shipping discounts?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
If I might brag a little, my book just got shortlisted for the Scottish Independent Comic Book Alliance awards....

https://twitter.com/official_sicba/status/1006966934548594688

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
That's awesome! Congrats, and I hope it sells a million copies.

RoryBlank
Feb 3, 2010

Mondays I guess, okay

RoryBlank fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 25, 2018

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

So I have a weird dumb question I want to throw in to this thread just out of sheer curiosity, and maybe a dash of creative day dreaming;

But how, if even possible, would you go about trying to audition for a writers job at a comics company, on a specific title? Is it all who a you know kind of thing or do people actually look at submissions? Or is that like just fan fiction? Do submissions even exist at all?

Like I said, just curious. I’m not thinking of a marvel or anything really huge.

Johnny-on-the-Spot
Apr 17, 2015

That feeling when he opens
the door for you
I'm just assuming, but even if your submission is for writing, publishers would still like to see a comic worked up from your script.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
I’ve not ever applied for a comic writer position specifically, but can say that for jobs that involved copywriting they did expect to see written samples of specifically what you’d be doing in that job. I imagine if it were for comics specifically they’d want to see fully laid out comic panels as well as scripts.


RoryBlank posted:


Mondays I guess, okay

I love the colors in this.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018




Hate this stupid comic, it was a bad idea and it's stupid and gently caress my life and I'll be sitting in my room with the lights off listening to Bahaus.

I had the genius idea of doing a comic with nearly all the plot stripped out, focusing entirely on making the art pretty. Works great up till the end where nothing much happens, and also I start hating the concept and the art goes to poo poo. Still, this is why I'm doing a new comic each month, so I can make dumb mistakes like this, learn from them, and do something better next month.

Time to act chirpy about the comic on FB! :suicide:

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

RoryBlank posted:


Mondays I guess, okay

I enjoyed this.

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JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

CelticPredator posted:

So I have a weird dumb question I want to throw in to this thread just out of sheer curiosity, and maybe a dash of creative day dreaming;

But how, if even possible, would you go about trying to audition for a writers job at a comics company, on a specific title? Is it all who a you know kind of thing or do people actually look at submissions? Or is that like just fan fiction? Do submissions even exist at all?

Like I said, just curious. I’m not thinking of a marvel or anything really huge.

It's been a few years since I've researched comic stuff but last I knew these kinds of jobs can be difficult to get without connections. Though they are pretty much impossible if you are unknown and have no previous comics work. So if you want the job you should have at least one finished comic out there that you've written, if not more. Preferably ones that have also been published but that's not necessarily a deal breaker.

So the usual advice given to people in this kind of situation is just to start writing short one-shot original comics. Then pay an artist to draw them for you (or at least the first couple of pages). Key here is original. They absolutely will not be interested in your ideas for their property at this point and often that's grounds for them to immediately put your submission in the trash. So never submit fanwork unless that is explicitly what they are asking for. The only exception is something like if you make a fan comic and put it online and get a large following. Then its 50/50 whether you get a job offer or a dmca letter. But the difference in that case is you've become a known entity whose work has gained a following, that makes you marketable.

For getting known and getting publishing credits, comic anthologies can be a great place to start. They usually accept submissions and you can send them pitch letters or maybe the first few pages, etc. Whatever their submission page tells you to submit. Note these anthologies usually only accept complete teams which means again you'll have to pay an artist to draw your stuff. It can be very well worth it though.

Once you have a comic or two under your belt, then you have options. Some companies do accept submissions of comic work for writing positions, like maybe a chapter or a couple of pages, etc. You might also be able to get an agent if they like your work and while agents are a mixed bag they might be able to open a door for you. (though an agent might be more useful for more niche things and less so for say DC comics, so that might be less applicable for your situation.) Also the company might take notice of your work and ask you themselves. For submissions just check their website, they should have a submissions section that will tell you what to do if they are accepting.

If you don't have money for an artist, then you might try short fiction or a novel instead. While having published comics is better for a comics writing job, having written fiction work accepted somewhere and published is much better than nothing. So you might be able to leverage that, depending on the company.

Anyways in short its very difficult but not impossible. But in general thats some stuff to keep in mind if you were trying to enter into this kind of work.

JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jun 29, 2018

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