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And it seems exceedingly likely that the Mass Divers have a guy on the inside.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The side story manga will be Gundam Build Divers Break, featuring Gundam Turning Break 'Shining Break' actually, because it's based on Shining Gundam.
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Jun 6, 2018 02:22
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I'm disappointed the Game Master isn't a GM. The suits also forgot to tell them they are just rolling out the new microtransaction content. They are still debugging it. (Break decal guy might actually be an actual employee)
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Lurking Haro posted:I'm disappointed the Game Master isn't a GM. The most evil character. Microtransactions.
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Zodack posted:You misunderstand, I totally get the cultural side of things - what is bonkers is the idea that they have no proof inside an MMO. Game logs and admin tools exist in mmos. You don't need an admin spying on you to catch you doing anything, you just extract a game log or recording. They even turn purple and just talk about how they're using illegal break decals. Is there no report abuse function to just summon the GM? Can other players not capture footage? Why can't the GM just look at the game logs from the illicit meeting and determine the exact PC trying to sell decals? "My word against theirs", except you are paying a game in a reality where the GM can control, record, and modify most aspects of it to catch you. The discussion with the GM hits this stuff. The Break Decals are somehow papering over their interference and leaving no trace. The champ even specifically brings up Stea(a Break Decal being used in a huge public place with tons of witnesses/potential victims) and Rommel's squad getting wrecked(a high profile squad getting annihilated by nobodies with video footage of what happened) and is told that all of the logs and footage have been analyzed and no explicit proof of wrongdoing has been found. Kyoya and Rommel talk about it and wonder if the guy making the decals somehow has access to the central program of the game because it doesn't make sense how he can make hacks that hide themselves so perfectly. Either Caped Crusader has friends on the inside, is an employee of the GBN company himself, or is some kind of super hacker, basically.
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Kanos posted:Either Caped Crusader has friends on the inside, is an employee of the GBN company himself, or is some kind of super hacker, basically. Since this is an MMO anime, my money's on the third one.
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W.T. Fits posted:Since this is an MMO anime, my money's on the third one. Further, Sunrise can't paint the Bandai stand-in company who runs GBN and sells model kits in-universe as being bad in any way since that would impact real-world sales. So, nefarious employees required for the first two scenarios are out.
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Midjack posted:Further, Sunrise can't paint the Bandai stand-in company who runs GBN and sells model kits in-universe as being bad in any way since that would impact real-world sales. So, nefarious employees required for the first two scenarios are out. Is this where I mention that PPSE's CEO was the main villain of Gundam Build Fighters? I'm as fond of making GBS threads on Divers as the next guy, but the precedent on this one doesn't say Bandai's stand-in's going to be full of plastic saints.
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chiasaur11 posted:Is this where I mention that PPSE's CEO was the main villain of Gundam Build Fighters? Not to mention the lesser enjoyed try island wars involving Bandai stand in company going "oops! You tournament winners need to kill our sentient gunpla".
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Kanos posted:The discussion with the GM hits this stuff. The Break Decals are somehow papering over their interference and leaving no trace. The champ even specifically brings up Stea(a Break Decal being used in a huge public place with tons of witnesses/potential victims) and Rommel's squad getting wrecked(a high profile squad getting annihilated by nobodies with video footage of what happened) and is told that all of the logs and footage have been analyzed and no explicit proof of wrongdoing has been found. Kyoya and Rommel talk about it and wonder if the guy making the decals somehow has access to the central program of the game because it doesn't make sense how he can make hacks that hide themselves so perfectly. Yeah, time to put my foot in my mouth. I went back through that segment and not only did they explicitly mention logs and a report function, they even showed the GM's perspective of the video footage with the Break Decal effect conspicuously absent. They did cover their bases - I shouldn't have been AFKing in an actual MMO while watching this episode, apparently. Super hacker seems to be the play but I feel like since our villain is going to lengths to hide his or her identity it would be a nice twist if it were someone in administration. These kinds of technical exploits would make a lot more sense coming from someone with access to the game code.
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Sazabi posted:The most evil character. Microtransactions. The big reveal is that Break Decals are meant to keep the system unstable to the point of microtransactions being unfeasible. Ties into the rogue guy on the inside.
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I wasn't too sold on the last episode but this one I legitimately enjoyed. Age II Magnum was pretty badass and the NT-D/funnel reference with Ayame was completely on point. Also everyone who hoped Ayame's SD would transform into a real type, I guess you got your wish even though the episode went on to accidentally point out how it didn't thematically make much sense.
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How long is the series going to go? I originally had the impression it was going to be 23-26ish, but right now it seems like it could be more like 13?
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BizarroAzrael posted:How long is the series going to go? I originally had the impression it was going to be 23-26ish, but right now it seems like it could be more like 13? I'd wager it's gonna finish out the Break Decal arc and then do a Tournament one for a second cour, considering the others have been 26-episode runs.
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BizarroAzrael posted:How long is the series going to go? I originally had the impression it was going to be 23-26ish, but right now it seems like it could be more like 13? They just announced the 2nd cour theme song, so three more months.
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RillAkBea posted:Also everyone who hoped Ayame's SD would transform into a real type, I guess you got your wish even though the episode went on to accidentally point out how it didn't thematically make much sense. You mean aside from the fact that it showed that even she had abandoned her beloved former Force's philosophy of only using SD Gundams?
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As a fighting game fan, I can relate to the frustration of picking characters you like and then getting blown up as you move up the ranks.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You mean aside from the fact that it showed that even she had abandoned her beloved former Force's philosophy of only using SD Gundams? I'm not sure why you felt the need to phrase your opinion as a question. Anyway, I just felt that abandoning the SD philosophy didn't make much sense if her original incentive for working for the big bad was to retrieve the SD of Friendship.
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A whole lot of people who don't care about GBN seem very willing to play it. And what is up with people being unable to lose without an emotional break down. Their rank would have dropped until they started getting matched with teams they could beat, reaching equilibrium with wins and loses. I know that hooded guy is going to explain how the game is a lie because of the most childish reason. At next week might be the end of the break decals plot.
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Sazabi posted:A whole lot of people who don't care about GBN seem very willing to play it. I took it as implied that he was rigging their matches against them considering they even failed PvE missions.
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Sazabi posted:A whole lot of people who don't care about GBN seem very willing to play it. Major gaming guilds have been known to implode over insanely petty things.
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Luminaflare posted:I took it as implied that he was rigging their matches against them considering they even failed PvE missions. That would actually be really smart and I hope it turns out to be true.
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Is this worth catching up on? I only watched the first episode, then got caught up in other things.
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PMush Perfect posted:Is this worth catching up on? I only watched the first episode, then got caught up in other things. It's had one good ep out of all 11. Most of the fights are really bland. And nearly every character is grating or poorly written. Watch at your own risk or if you like making fun of things like MST3K. Mech designs are good at least.
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PMush Perfect posted:Better or worse than Try? A lot worse. I was ok with Try. Not good not in love. Just ok with it. Some good fight choreograhpy was in Try. Divers wouldn't be watched if it wasn't Gundam.
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That is... not a high bar. Well, guess I'll just put that time into rewatching GBF when I get the itch. Thanks, goons. Someone PM me if it suddenly turns around right at the end or something, it wouldn't be unheard of.
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PMush Perfect posted:That is... not a high bar. Well, guess I'll just put that time into rewatching GBF when I get the itch. Thanks, goons. Someone PM me if it suddenly turns around right at the end or something, it wouldn't be unheard of. I'd say come back in two weeks to see if they finish the first plot and just do a simple tournament arch. That's the only way I see it getting watchable.
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Sazabi has been pretty critical of the show throughout it's run and in my opinion, overly harsh. It's a decent show.
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Divers is extremely kids show, with all of the flaws inherent. I think it will probably end up better than Try because we at least have some prior introduction to and investment in the ostensible tournament opponents.
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Sazabi posted:A lot worse. I was ok with Try. Not good not in love. Just ok with it. Some good fight choreograhpy was in Try. At this point, I'm honestly curious why you're still watching it, since you've had almost nothing positive to say throughout the show's entire run. It's okay to not watch shows you're not enjoying! Monaghan posted:Sazabi has been pretty critical of the show throughout it's run and in my opinion, overly harsh. Yeah, I've enjoyed Divers substantially more than Try so far. It's not up to the bar of GBF yet, but it's found its feet for the most part since they've gotten over the worst part of it in my opinion(the incessant explanations of MMO mechanics) and is an okay watch that I look forward to each week. The best part of the show is that in the team battles we've seen so far(only three, unfortunately), they've really put some time and effort into structuring the fights so everyone is an important part of the team and tactics are being used. The downside is that team battles haven't been a big focus yet because the plot has been following the hacker stuff so heavily, but it looks like we might be coming to a conclusion on that. chumbler posted:Divers is extremely kids show, with all of the flaws inherent. I think it will probably end up better than Try because we at least have some prior introduction to and investment in the ostensible tournament opponents. This is a big difference, honestly. They've actually tried to put time and effort into developing a cast of rivals and opponents and given the characters some history with them already, which means when they inevitably get to the tournament fighting the fights will actually have that weight and heft. Remember when Try had the Zaku team in the goddam opening despite them getting less than half a dozen lines combined in the entire show and jobbing out almost immediately in the two fights they had? No? That's because you probably don't remember the Zaku team existing. If the back half of the show is the tournament arc everyone is anticipating, I'm quite excited. I've been very impressed with the team fights in this show so far, from a choreography standpoint. Even the interrupted one against team Hyakki featured the team attempting to execute a strategy for a specific purpose.
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Monaghan posted:Sazabi has been pretty critical of the show throughout it's run and in my opinion, overly harsh. I dropped it at episode 7. Some of the in-jokes were decent, and the fight in that one was fine, but the leads are pretty much the worst. Just the most nothing characters I could imagine.
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RillAkBea posted:I'm not sure why you felt the need to phrase your opinion as a question. That’s the point. She’s lost touch with her motives and is just drifting through life on the verge of total burnout. I actually kind of liked how it felt like she didn’t need convincing so much as she needed someone to speak the right words to give her an excuse. She’d basically already switched sides by the time Riku opened his mouth.
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As someone who has played MMOs pretty heavily since the MUD days back in the 90s, Ayame's backstory is extremely on point and accurate to how MMO guilds fall apart, to the point where I'm positive the writing staff has personal MMO experience. It's really easy to keep an MMO guild together as long as you're riding a string of consistent successes, and it's really hard to keep it together when things start to go off the rails and you begin spinning your wheels. People start thinking about quitting the game because it's not fun to lose over and over, or jumping ship to more successful guilds. People start infighting and bickering and trying to blame something for the recent lack of success(our new healer sucks, so and so is a garbage tank, i'm tired of carrying X's lovely DPS spec), which makes things worse, which further encourages people to drift away, and the downward spiral continues. If you're a player who still loves the game(as Ayame obviously does), this can be a pretty terrible scenario for you, because you're still enjoying the game but you enjoy it a lot more when you're playing it with your friends and now all your friends are leaving or falling out with each other.
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i don't think i would bother recommending the show since it doesn't get over the big writing issues until 1/3 of the way in, and there's not enough character or action stuff before that point to make it worth sticking out. even now we still have the blandest protagonists ever, they're just being carried by the overarching plot having momentum thanks to the strong supporting cast.
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dogsicle posted:i don't think i would bother recommending the show since it doesn't get over the big writing issues until 1/3 of the way in, and there's not enough character or action stuff before that point to make it worth sticking out. even now we still have the blandest protagonists ever, they're just being carried by the overarching plot having momentum thanks to the strong supporting cast. This is a fair assessment. Honestly, even if you were interested in watching it you could probably safely skip like the first 6 or 7 episodes and not really miss out on anything because before the supporting cast starts falling into place there's just not a lot going on and any of the actually relevant stuff is covered in flashbacks.
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Watching this latest episode, this show might have benefited a lot just from making Ayame the perspective character from the beginning.
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dogsicle posted:i don't think i would bother recommending the show since it doesn't get over the big writing issues until 1/3 of the way in, and there's not enough character or action stuff before that point to make it worth sticking out. even now we still have the blandest protagonists ever, they're just being carried by the overarching plot having momentum thanks to the strong supporting cast. Just watch the preview fight between the champ and Rommel. That's the best 10 minutes in the show.
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Yeah I picked this up again for the Break Decal finale but after this episode wherein I found myself skipping around and rolling my eyes, I'm out but will monitor this thread for nuggets if they happen. I couldn't bring myself to care for a single thing that happened this week. The fight wasn't even good. At least Ayame's Gunpla has a cool design for both the SD and HG models. I honestly cannot believe it's been eleven entire episodes. Not trying to be a hater, I just absolutely loved Build Fighters, suffered through Try and kept telling myself this time they'd figure out what they did wrong. For me, right now, this is even worse than Try.
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