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Paper gift certificates seem to be fully dead. I remember when every business used to have those and now even the most tiny local places have their own actual gift card with some sort of stored balance, instead. Years ago before that was more normal, though, people were trying to figure out a means of non-paper electronic currency that did the same thing without having to have a phone system to track balances. I think one idea was every gift card would be sold with a massive chain of electronically-destructable circuits, something akin to a 'write-once/read many', or something like that on it. Cards would be sold for a set amount and every time it was used the reader would read the value of the remaining circuits and destroy these points on the card to account for the value.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Yes but is it common for UK or NZ businesses to incur expenses at the local supermarket? Depends on the type of business. If you're in food service, for example...
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Jun 5, 2018 20:53
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Jabor posted:Depends on the type of business. If you're in food service, for example... ...you buy things from a wholesaler.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:16
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eating at a local pizzeria recently, the owner was chiding one of the employees for having done that. They didn't offer alfredo sauce for the pasta, but the customer really wanted it, so the employee went across the street to the supermarket to pick up a jar of it.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:24
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poo poo happens. When I worked at the grocery store sometimes the owners of the Carvel next door would be in for bananas or strawberries they'd had a run on unexpectedly.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:24
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pienipple posted:poo poo happens. When I worked at the grocery store sometimes the owners of the Carvel next door would be in for bananas or strawberries they'd had a run on unexpectedly. That's my experience with restaurant work. Sysco isn't coming until Tuesday but you need garbanzo beans today - go to the store. That doesn't work with chain restaurants since people go to those places for consistency. So when Zaxby's told me they were all out of salad even though there's a supermarket right next door, it's because they'd get angry customers if their greens differed from expectations.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:40
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Jerry Cotton posted:...you buy things from a wholesaler. As someone who's made hundreds of sandwiches a day, getting fresh bread wholesale is too much of a pain in the rear end. We just got a couple dozen loaves from the supermarket day of. All the stuff that keeps well you get from a wholesaler though.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:46
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Krispy Wafer posted:I mean, it kind of sucks the way they do it in the States, but sales tax is only about 6% versus 20% VAT in Europe. So there's that. Having functional social services costs money.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:48
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ryonguy posted:Having functional social services costs money. functional what now?
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That sounds like communism.
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Jun 6, 2018 02:11
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:communism. 
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At least one of the big banks in Aus doesn’t require you to insert your card to get cash from the atm. I rarely need cash but every time I do I still stand there waiting for my card to pop out cause it’s muscle memory. When I worked in kitchens I used to get sent on buying missions to various places but if it wasn’t a supermarket there’d be an account you’d charge it to. It was also the only industry where a cash cheque was a thing. It wasn’t a problem if you went to branch in the same town as the restaurant but if you went anywhere else you’d get charged $6 to get your pay for the week which I thought was rubbish. Recently the reserve bank started rolling out a system where payments between banks will turn up instantly but they aren’t rolling it out super quick which means you’ll have to wait a few days between some banks
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There is literally zero way to transfer money from the credit union one of my jobs uses and my bank in less than two weeks. The credit union will not do electronic transfers except to one of their own customer's accounts, full stop. And they only serve people living in one of three specific towns, none of which I live in. They will happily cut my boss a cashiers check or money order, but my bank will not credit my account until the check clears, which has to be done by mail, and apparently the credit union likes to sit on their mail inbox for days at a time. And nothing under the sun will convince my bank to trust the credit union and go ahead with funding the deposit, despite the fact that every single check I deposit has eventually cleared with no hassle. Something something they don't share networks or technology or standards or something like that, it has to be done by mail, seven to ten business days, like it or lump it . I'd switch banks, but I was told by other banks that they just wouldn't accept a paper check from the credit union without a way to electronically verify funds. My boss would switch, but there is literally no other bank or credit union in the podunk town she runs her business in. (How the gently caress this credit union can get away with being this backwards and useless in TYOOL 2018 is beyond me.) e. I should add: there are other banks a quick drive away, but the previous owner of her business pissed off every single one of them by writing hot payroll checks and they've all blacklisted the business, despite being under new ownership and fully solvent for the past ten years. One bank recommended that we change the business name, but that's hard as gently caress to do when the business is a newspaper and there are legal agreements tied to the name. Being the newspaper of record for three cities and a whole county is big money in legal advertising for a weekly paper, and if we change the name then we're not the newspaper of record, the money would dry up until the next election cycle, and that would sink us in a hurry. rndmnmbr has a new favorite as of 01:31 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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rndmnmbr posted:e. I should add: there are other banks a quick drive away, but the previous owner of her business pissed off every single one of them by writing hot payroll checks and they've all blacklisted the business, despite being under new ownership and fully solvent for the past ten years. One bank recommended that we change the business name, but that's hard as gently caress to do when the business is a newspaper and there are legal agreements tied to the name. Being the newspaper of record for three cities and a whole county is big money in legal advertising for a weekly paper, and if we change the name then we're not the newspaper of record, the money would dry up until the next election cycle, and that would sink us in a hurry. I'm sure it's been considered and that there's good reason not to do it, but what about creating a holding company or subsidiary for banking purposes while leaving the original business's name unchanged?
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Toast Museum posted:I'm sure it's been considered and that there's good reason not to do it, but what about creating a holding company or subsidiary for banking purposes while leaving the original business's name unchanged? This is extremely common and why my paychecks came from some company in loving Milwaukee while I worked in Phoenix, AZ, for five years.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:This is extremely common and why my paychecks came from some company in loving Milwaukee while I worked in Phoenix, AZ, for five years. Oh, I'm in the same boat. I meant that I assume there's some reason it's not being done in this case.
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Really thought I was in the Corporate thread, because holy lol this is amazing.
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rndmnmbr posted:(How the gently caress this credit union can get away with being this backwards and useless in TYOOL 2018 is beyond me.) the previous line posted:My boss would switch, but there is literally no other bank or credit union in the podunk town she runs her business in.
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Jun 12, 2018 03:10
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Have you considered using actual cash money.
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tonberrytoby posted:Have you considered using actual cash money. For payroll?
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That's how everything worked up until the 60s anyway.
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Jun 13, 2018 03:13
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Hnnnng the end of the point-to-point wire-wrapped electronics era machines are my favorite. ($5, needs belts) Bookmans was selling all cassettes as BOGO and 50% off, so each cassette was essentially $0.50. I also dug out whatever old cassettes I had in the drawers.  $11 to get out of the house for the day. Not too bad.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Hnnnng the end of the point-to-point wire-wrapped electronics era machines are my favorite. What a deal! I saw you post this in the car chat thread and was gonna point you here, but well... here we are! That is one sexy looking piece of gear, when Onkyo was actually good.
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IUG posted:If you don't want to pay a sales tax, then go to a different state I guess. The states set their tax rates, and it varies whenever you cross a border. So if you don't want to pay sales tax, go to New Hampshire. On top of that, you can vary by county/city too, since counties/cities can impose their own sales taxes. so where I live, the city is split between two counties. one has an additional 2% sales tax, the other which is more rural does not. (the city sorta keeps spreading out further and further into the second county.) the three walmarts in the city proper, are all one price, but the one down on the south end of town, in the other county is 2% cheaper.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:No, the tax thing is loving dumb and I hate it. It puts the onus of tax calculation on the customer's wallet, not on the person setting the prices, which of course reduces the perceived price of things... It becomes really difficult to put a price sticker on something when the tax amount changes depending on how it is purchased. There are some states where a pop is taxable but not juice. Then you have things like a Frosty being tax free because it has milk in it and sweet tea being taxed because it has sugar, though it's not taxed if you get regular tee and add sugar. Here's another good one. Some places have different tax rules if it's to-go or dine in. Sometimes drive through to-go is different than inside to-go. It's America. We're used to it. When I see a price in whole dollars and they don't add tax when I pay it freaks me out.
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mostlygray posted:It becomes really difficult to put a price sticker on something when the tax amount changes depending on how it is purchased. There are some states where a pop is taxable but not juice. Then you have things like a Frosty being tax free because it has milk in it and sweet tea being taxed because it has sugar, though it's not taxed if you get regular tee and add sugar. So all they have to do is include the tax (which they already know) when printing the price stickers.
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mostlygray posted:It's America. We're used to it. When I see a price in whole dollars and they don't add tax when I pay it freaks me out.
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mostlygray posted:It becomes really difficult to put a price sticker on something when the tax amount changes depending on how it is purchased. There are some states where a pop is taxable but not juice. Then you have things like a Frosty being tax free because it has milk in it and sweet tea being taxed because it has sugar, though it's not taxed if you get regular tee and add sugar. The POS already knows how the tax is calculated per-item, because it does it for you at checkout. Same for carry-out versus dine-in (which doesn't even apply to grocery stores). There's literally no additional difficulty except 
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:The POS already knows how the tax is calculated per-item, because it does it for you at checkout. Same for carry-out versus dine-in (which doesn't even apply to grocery stores). There's literally no additional difficulty except Advertising. The difficulty is advertising. Merchants can't advertise a price if the same item costs a different price everywhere. It's why everything from fast food to cars says at the bottom "additional sales tax may apply" or something.
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It's 100% that no place will try it because that will make them look more expensive than their competitors and that would damage their sales by a fraction of a percent and we just can't be having that sort of thing. It would take a law to make it happen and the government of the US is corporate owned so good loving luck.
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I hate tapes.
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mystes posted:This doesn't make sense. It's not like stores charge the same prices at all if their locations, big box retailers do though. literally any product in my store costs exactly the same at every single best buy across the country. same thing with target etc. there's nothing factored in for cost of living when it comes to the sticker price for any item we sell. every single google home/amazon echo costs the same EVERYWHERE. (like literally everywhere. no individual retailer can put them on sale. They're either on sale across everywhere that carries them, or nowhere that carries them.) plus online shopping. I know bby's website defaults you to richfield minnesota (our corporate store) if you don't have location enabled. well, richfield is 7.5% when you factor in state and local. so that google home is 41.93. If we listed it like that online, people in places that charge higher sales tax would be up in arms, meanwhle places that don't charge sales tax, that item is going to be lower than the price on the website. and what about people who travel? If they have their stores still pulled up at their home location, and they pull it up online, when shopping in a different store, then they get all freaked out when the item total is way more than what they were expecting. It's way easier to just list the price before tax, since like i said, two stores in the SAME TOWN can have different tax rates.
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mostlygray posted:It becomes really difficult to put a price sticker on something when the tax amount changes depending on how it is purchased. OK that's true. mostlygray posted:There are some states where a pop is taxable but not juice. Then you have things like a Frosty being tax free because it has milk in it and sweet tea being taxed because it has sugar, though it's not taxed if you get regular tee and add sugar. ...but these aren't examples of that at all and do not make putting a price sticker on things at all difficult so  mostlygray posted:Here's another good one. Some places have different tax rules if it's to-go or dine in. Sometimes drive through to-go is different than inside to-go. And restaurants don't have loving price tags anyway (or do they? that would be hosed up if true).
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I mean, it isn't like this is US only. I literally have no way of knowing if and how much VAT European countries are going to charge my customers when they buy from my online store, so I get a lot of  Why is customs holding my package and asking me for more money???I put a disclaimer but lol at trying to list every single country's item-by-item sales tax, and lol at the customers who want me to commit a felony by marking it as a 'gift'.
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Found while cleaning out my desk: Edit: US Currency for scale 
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I’m really loving how the complications and difficulties of government-levied sales taxes are somehow an endemic natural consequence of capitalism.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Found while cleaning out my desk: Those things are amazing. Also where would we be if flash prices hadn't come down?
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I still miss the whirring and clicking of fickle, plodding rust.
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AlternateAccount posted:I’m really loving how the complications and difficulties of government-levied sales taxes are somehow an endemic natural consequence of capitalism. I think you're misunderstanding: The complications are no longer complicated due to computerization. But the old ways are held onto because capitalism, and it's easier to blame the government than sacrifice any profit for ease-of-shopping.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Edit: US Currency for scale Now take a photo of those coins next to something more common so we can get an idea of scale on your weirdo currency and work back from there.
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