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lucifirius posted:"Back, demon!" Yrel cried, defiantly moving toward Garrosh at twenty five percent reduced speed. After one and a half seconds, she swung the mighty weapon Maarad had left her. It squeaked as it mildly inconvenienced Garrosh. wait
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Yeah so far in my games Yrel has been fairly obnoxious but hasn't really been able to capitalize.
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Jun 13, 2018 03:41
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I like her kit but the 25% reduced speed while charging is just lovely.
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Jun 13, 2018 03:58
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I love that she seems to exert more effort than any other hero for less gain, like all that screaming and grunting is coming from a wimpy kid trying to hurt the team's defensive lineman The only viable niche I see for her at higher play in her current state is solo lane + objective holding, like dragon shire or braxxis top lane Polio Vax Scene fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 04:16
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How do I get the new junkrat skin? Can't find it in the shop
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Jun 13, 2018 04:31
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PantsBandit posted:How do I get the new junkrat skin? Can't find it in the shop Only the new hero was today, the new map and skins are next week.
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Jun 13, 2018 04:38
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The slow on her abilities isn't that bad... except for the one on avenging wrath. it's hard to engage because it's distance does not keep up with her slowed movement speed, particularly since the jump itself has a travel time.
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Jun 13, 2018 04:51
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Kurieg posted:The slow on her abilities isn't that bad... except for the one on avenging wrath. it's hard to engage because it's distance does not keep up with her slowed movement speed, particularly since the jump itself has a travel time. I really like Yrel, but yeah the slow on her charge abilities is too over the top. Also it'd be nice if you could build into either an extreme bruiser damage bully or the current super tanky team fighter instead of being stuck with just the one role. She's got a 2 handed hammer lemme smash blizz c'mon.
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Jun 13, 2018 06:32
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Gobbeldygook posted:Blizzard makes all new heroes OP so people will buy them, it's such pay2win bullshit! Blizzard seems to have the most trouble balancing new assassins. Blaze is a good all around character but doesn't seem especially overpowered, nobody I know considers Alexstraza to be overtuned, Ana has been fairly underpowered for most of her time in the game, Deckard Cain is good but also teamcomp reliant to get the most out of his stuff and can't really do much on his own, and Yrel seems like she's gonna need buffs if anything. Meanwhile we had the back to back to back fuckfest of Hanzo, Maiev, and Fenix right in a row for assassin releases.
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You can see the rewards before you confirm your pick for Alliance/Horde in this update, but the site has more info and bigger pictures: http://www.wowhead.com/news=284753/heroes-of-the-storm-echoes-of-alterac-event-yrel-and-alterac-valley I went with Alliance myself, because I don't think they have had a ram mount before? (outside of the hi-tech robot version)
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Kai Tave posted:Meanwhile we had the back to back to back fuckfest of Hanzo, Maiev, and Fenix right in a row for assassin releases. I'm not sure if you are defining the fuckfest as "overpowered" or just as "poorly balanced," but in case it's the former I will mention that Hanzo started off with a very very low win rate even after his buffs from PTR to live. And he's still spent a lot more time in game at the bottom of the charts than the top for anything except pro matches.
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Mind over Matter posted:I'm not sure if you are defining the fuckfest as "overpowered" or just as "poorly balanced," but in case it's the former I will mention that Hanzo started off with a very very low win rate even after his buffs from PTR to live. And he's still spent a lot more time in game at the bottom of the charts than the top for anything except pro matches. One of his builds that was OP for a while was the attack speed quest and Sharpened Arrowheads at 7. But he didn't even have it at level 7 until a month after he went live. It replaced: Shieldbreaker Arrows Tier 3 (Hero Level 7) Basic Attacks and Storm Bow deal 250% bonus damage to Shield on Heroic targets. Imagine if that was still around when Fenix was released. Either way, it wasn't even until the Sharpened Arrowhead nerf that people really started to play W builds. It probably took some time to get used to how Shatter Arrows arced followed by the realization that it really killed camps/objectives fast. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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They added a dynamic bundle that features Warcraft heroes for 68% off. I still needed 5 heroes from it, but I didn't haven enough gems. Bought Chen and Gazlowe with gold, and then the price dropped enough so I could buy 3 legendary heroes for 726 gems. Normally those bundle deals aren't that great unless you don't mind dropping real cash, but it was really nice to get something because I've been hoarding gold and gems from leveling up. Now I just need 10 more heroes and I've caught them all 
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Yrel is a ton of fun to play, but there is absolutely no need for all of the limitations on her kit. There is no shittier feeling than being completely shut out from contributing to the game because Muradin chose a level 7 talent.
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I’m having trouble with Yrel. Her kit is two defensive and a knock back. That makes me want to dive into enemies but I do no damage. Her peel is weak too. Her initiate is sorta ok but all the charging makes it difficult. If you want to jump then knock back stun toward your team, you either need to pre charge the jump from a blind angle or let the enemy watch you charge up your jump or knock back.
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Jun 13, 2018 15:54
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Mount speed seems like the obvious pick, but hammer speed is so funny... It's hard to tell where she is but I think she does a lot more healing than it seems (with the right talents). She reminds me more of zarya than anything, but unfortunately zarya has had a hard time finding a place in the game. She has great stats and really low cooldowns so she's not as bad as her kit suggests imo. Still have no idea when you run her tho. No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 15:56
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Lame Devil posted:I’m having trouble with Yrel. Her kit is two defensive and a knock back. That makes me want to dive into enemies but I do no damage. Her peel is weak too. Her initiate is sorta ok but all the charging makes it difficult. If you want to jump then knock back stun toward your team, you either need to pre charge the jump from a blind angle or let the enemy watch you charge up your jump or knock back. Yeah, my teams were having trouble with her because she's so hard to kill, but then we figured out her knockback is her only real threat and she could otherwise be mostly ignored even when she goes in deep.
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No Wave posted:Mount speed seems like the obvious pick, but hammer speed is so funny... The runspeed on Hammer is extremely useful for actually using it for it's intended purpose, knocking people back into your team. I haven't found the supermount that useful because everyone just ignores her Anyway so why the hell do I need to run away. If left alone she can heal herself back to full relatively quickly with her Q for almost zero mana cost. But anyone with a stun or knockback shuts her down so incredibly hard it's depressing. I've found she works pretty well two-manning a lane with an assassin or specialist, using her heal-on-trait to keep them both topped off.
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I'd like a 5% hammer movespeed talent buff so that running with the hammer is more optimal than mounting. I dont think it actually needs a buff, I just find the animation hilarious. Also I'd really enjoy a level 20 talent where her trait resets her basic ability cooldowns, but I've been playing too much zera. No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 16:24
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Her self sustain is so strong she would be hella broken if she had more dmg. I think she is going to be a nightmare to balance.
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Erdricks posted:Her self sustain is so strong she would be hella broken if she had more dmg. I think she is going to be a nightmare to balance.
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Gobbeldygook posted:What she needs is significantly more damage and somewhat less sustain. Or put Aldor Peacekeeper at a much lower talent tier so that hammer isn't the only dangerous thing about her diving. She's got lots of sustain for dives but there isn't really a reason to bother hitting her. People keep bringing up muradin's level 7 talent, but the truth is that'd still be a waste because she's not enough of a threat to bother hitting her at all over someone actually killing you. Also blizz pls make hammer do extra damage to minions instead of knocking them back because dear god give me some wave clear.
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Does she have a good amount of buffs/debuffs? I looked through the talents when they were first posted and seem to remember various abilities that slow, sunder armor , and buff your team in various ways. Is any of that good and worth taking?
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I've only played 2 QM games but she is extremely my jam I think if you like ETC Prog Rock playstyle you'll like her. As far as her doing a small amount of damage, I think Johanna is a fair comparison.
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Nash posted:Does she have a good amount of buffs/debuffs? I looked through the talents when they were first posted and seem to remember various abilities that slow, sunder armor , and buff your team in various ways. Is any of that good and worth taking? The lvl 13, I think, talent that reduces enemies' damage by 30% if they are hit by her Q seems good.
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Gift of the naaru on 4 is for sure op. A free holy light every 10 seconds. If Yrel is decent it is because of this thing.
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Yrel's abilities are good in concept, but she's either too clunky or too weak to really be effective. She relies too heavily on her team to capitalize on her initiation displacement and she doesn't deal enough damage to be a legitimate threat to the backline. She either needs a solid 30% damage buff across the board or they need to cut her Movement Speed penalty while charging so she can boast being able to be wherever she needs to be, no matter what.
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Jun 13, 2018 18:49
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Remove the movement speed penalty on her hammer but keep the +45% movement speed talent at 7.
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Sure let's give the 6th highest hp character that casts holy light for free every 10 seconds kerrigan's dps. I don't think stat buffs are the answer. Her charge time seems to be the real thing that makes her impossible to use well. No Wave fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jun 14, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 19:07
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Jump build Yrel can constantly hand out armor to a whole team fight while forcing enemies to spend cc on stopping her stuns, and she still has the option to jump and then d-q an enemy back into her team.
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No Wave posted:I think we're being overdramatic.... as one of the first to dump on her in this thread I dont think she's even really UP anymore she's just weird to fit in a comp. That weirdness is the problem, though - all of Yrel's gimmicks can be done by someone else, often more smoothly or effectively. Hell, Haymaker Muradin can hit almost the exact same gameplay beats that Yrel does while also coming with Storm Bolt. The only thing that he'd miss is access to the Support Tier that Yrel has at Level 4.
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Kith posted:That weirdness is the problem, though - all of Yrel's gimmicks can be done by someone else, often more smoothly or effectively. Hell, Haymaker Muradin can hit almost the exact same gameplay beats that Yrel does while also coming with Storm Bolt. The only thing that he'd miss is access to the Support Tier that Yrel has at Level 4. ugh you said "hero X does what hero Y does" now we get 5-7 posts of the myriad ways they are in fact different
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i saw something cool at the msb - a european team already had a tank (muradin or something) and last-picked ETC to lane against dehaka. And ETC was winning the lane! Should solo lane etc be something I tilt my teammates with in draft? Or is that the sort of thing that will only work against dehaka?
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speaking as someone who’s played the Dehaka end of that matchup that absolutely should never happen and that etc was just bonkers good Dehaka wins that lane under normal circumstances
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No Wave posted:i saw something cool at the msb - a european team already had a tank (muradin or something) and last-picked ETC to lane against dehaka. And ETC was winning the lane! Should solo lane etc be something I tilt my teammates with in draft? Or is that the sort of thing that will only work against dehaka? That's the sort of thing that only works if you're incredibly good at the game and/or under tournament circumstances where mindgames and Confusion-Fu actually matter. Sticking to standard draft practices is more likely to work out for you.
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I'm a hammer one trick now, this season is over for me. Fell from Plat 1 promo game to Diamond, to Plat 3 190 points. -3 personal rank adjustment when I lose so next season I'll be placed lower anyway.
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Jun 14, 2018 02:15
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I'm at -8 personal rank adjustment in TL and still having fun and enjoying my bonus XP for playing TL 
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Jun 14, 2018 02:37
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I have learned to stop caring. https://i.imgur.com/CLK4kJR.png
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TLV players what's the best way to deal with 2 lane maps talent and playwise? I have TLV at level 9 now and basically only ever go for 1 build: the two merc talents, spin to win, play again, jump, AA ability refresher, and the final one where your attacks chain to non-heroes. Is it worth maybe beefing up Baelog or something instead of that if you get stuck on loving Braxis or HM? Which two vikings do you usually send to a lane together? I usually let Baelog deal with one lane while the other two go together. One thing I realized is very important to get a good game out of them is collecting tons of regen orbs, since it bumps up their regen so much that by the end of the game they're a powerhouse, but with 2 lanes that becomes harder too, on Brax I usually make sure I grab the extra globes from the dispensers as soon as they spawn, but on HM you don't even have that...
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I see a lot of people whining about Yrel being too weak, but she's very similar to Muradin in the right hands. With some slight number buffs she'll be fine.
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