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Should I make the hidden UP box links at the bottom of the page be more visible? I don't think a majority of people here even know they exist.
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Jun 16, 2018 20:08
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I mean, I just click the scroll bar to the top, it's not like it's hard to do it on my own at all. I always thought that thing was just a Chrome feature, I didn't even know it was part of the forums. I'd probably never use it even if it was bigger. Also sorry if this was asked before but is there ever going to be some kind of reddit/facebook-like notification/red envelope thing when someone replies or quotes us, or is that only possible with xenforo, it seems like having some notice would help spur discussion and it's kinda nice to know immediately if there's someone trying to talk about something we say
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Jun 16, 2018 20:21
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Teikanmi posted:Also sorry if this was asked before but is there ever going to be some kind of reddit/facebook-like notification/red envelope thing when someone replies or quotes us, or is that only possible with xenforo, it seems like having some notice would help spur discussion and it's kinda nice to know immediately if there's someone trying to talk about something we say
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Jun 16, 2018 20:25
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Okay, checked the stats and the pageload time has definitely decreased:
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Jun 16, 2018 20:30
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Lowtax posted:Okay, checked the stats and the pageload time has definitely decreased: Presumably using less resources. 
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Jun 16, 2018 20:32
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Lowtax posted:Should I make the hidden UP box links at the bottom of the page be more visible? I don't think a majority of people here even know they exist. When ZDR added them ages ago, people complained about them being too visible. So he made them hide until the mouse gets near. 
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Jun 16, 2018 20:36
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Lowtax posted:Okay, checked the stats and the pageload time has definitely decreased: congrats op please do not make the Up box more visible
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Jun 16, 2018 20:37
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:congrats op
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Jun 16, 2018 20:42
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it's cool that it's there i guess but if i was running a forum i'd only really be looking to popularise it if i'd had people complain about the scrolling experience. if they haven't been doing that, then, well, gently caress 'em. that said, can you make it pop up if you hover over the whole righthand side of the screen, not just the bottom right corner? more people would see it, although it might interfere with quote buttons
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Jun 16, 2018 20:49
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Maybe make them pop up when you're scrolled all the way down?Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:that said, can you make it pop up if you hover over the whole righthand side of the screen, not just the bottom right corner? more people would see it, although it might interfere with quote buttons It's also on the bottom left because people were fighting over which side it should be on.
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Jun 16, 2018 20:51
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Please add a giant up arrow in the top and a down arrow on the bottom in the center so I can pretend my computer is a phone
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Jun 16, 2018 20:56
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Geemer posted:It's also on the bottom left because people were fighting over which side it should be on.
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Jun 16, 2018 20:58
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Lowtax posted:Yeah, that's the difficult thing about adding features, half of the people hate them, half of the people like them, and half of the people want them changed Make the little arrows do what the big arrow did, and make it play comforting elevator muzak on the way up. e: And just to be clear I'm not being sarcastic. I legit loved the slow ride to the top.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:16
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Lowtax posted:Okay, I'm just going to remove that then. Also I'll remove the auto refresh since nobody seems to like either. I wasn't trying to criticize I just thought I'd let folks know if they don't like it that it's trivial to remove it. I'm sure there are folks who like it just fine. Also, I appreciate you trying to actively improve the forums.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:27
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:It already is, and he can make a case for having a legitimate business usecase for keeping the small amount of customer data that he does to track down permaban reregs uh excuse me i cannot find a detailed cookie policy anywhere
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Jun 16, 2018 21:40
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I wasn't trying to criticize I just thought I'd let folks know if they don't like it that it's trivial to remove it. I'm sure there are folks who like it just fine. Also, I appreciate you trying to actively improve the forums.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:43
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Opp if you decide to implement some cyber times future tech forum system, I would be ok with losing everything in my account except name and regdate, but only on the condition that the forums as they are now are locked and cryogenically preserved as a timeless monument to our collective retardation. Buy new-archives to get to log into to the old forums system and you also get current archives New forums shouldn't even have smilies people could re buy the ones they want so bad. Some I bet get used once a year max
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Jun 16, 2018 22:01
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Opp if you decide to implement some cyber times future tech forum system, I would be ok with losing everything in my account except name and regdate, but only on the condition that the forums as they are now are locked and cryogenically preserved as a timeless monument to our collective retardation. I agree, shove the forums inside Walt Disney's skull, so in the far future he can rise as an abomination that only knows how to quote Marx and shitpost, ironically.
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Jun 16, 2018 22:02
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ps someone was bitching about trying to sift thru smilies to find the one they wanted. On PC the best way to do this is to shrink the window down so that it only shows a few per line, like three, and only have like six lines. Makes it comprehensible to scroll through them. If you try to do it full screen its sensory overload imo
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Jun 16, 2018 22:51
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re: Up arrows I'm of the mind that less obtrusion is always better and you should always see as much of the user-content of the forums as possible and not buttons or other stuff less is more imho and we all have scroll wheels and yeah while we're on it, the smiley page is just chaos and i know it's not really important but if there was a way to sort by color, that would be pretty nice considering I can't remember the names of some icons at all, just what they look like, because goons are morons who name poo poo weirdly maybe impossible to code that, or would take forever, but just an idea Teikanmi fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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Jun 16, 2018 22:55
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SniperWoreConverse posted:ps someone was bitching about trying to sift thru smilies to find the one they wanted. On PC the best way to do this is to shrink the window down so that it only shows a few per line, like three, and only have like six lines. Makes it comprehensible to scroll through them. If you try to do it full screen its sensory overload imo That's something I could definitely fix, but before I start working on it, I'd like to read more feedback from you guys about the ideal way to optimize and implement a fix.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:20
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Lowtax posted:That's something I could definitely fix, but before I start working on it, I'd like to read more feedback from you guys about the ideal way to optimize and implement a fix. I'm not sure if this really helps, but having someone sort through them to stick them into more categories might help. Currently a lot of them are mixed in really weird ways.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:23
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I have no idea how they should be categorized. Some are obscure and some are used differently than the original I guess. And some would belong in multiple catagories.   
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Jun 16, 2018 23:30
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Nurge posted:I'm not sure if this really helps, but having someone sort through them to stick them into more categories might help. Currently a lot of them are mixed in really weird ways.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:32
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Nurge posted:I'm not sure if this really helps, but having someone sort through them to stick them into more categories might help. Currently a lot of them are mixed in really weird ways. Even just a simple alphabetical sort would be a quick fix until a different sort is thought up SniperWoreConverse posted:ps someone was bitching about trying to sift thru smilies to find the one they wanted. On PC the best way to do this is to shrink the window down so that it only shows a few per line, like three, and only have like six lines. Makes it comprehensible to scroll through them. If you try to do it full screen its sensory overload imo This would require he run the current massively expensive system plus a new system and would cost more money lol Lowtax posted:If somebody wants to organize a goon group effort to categorize them, I can implement it. I'm not going to even bother trying to do it myself, because I know I'll invariably be told I did it the wrong way. I think I’ve done something like this for BroBot (my discord bot with all the smilies). On Monday I’ll post how they’re organized and we can maybe implement it like that FAT32 SHAMER fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 00:12
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:This would require he run the current massively expensive system plus a new system and would cost more money lol I can only assume you misread what he said. He's saying that there is a work around that YOU can do to make the smilies easier to see, by just shrinking your browser window. Otherwise I have no idea what your sentence is referring to.
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Jun 17, 2018 00:23
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I'm not 100% positive on this: Lowtax, do you know there's already a ctrl+home shortcut on Windows and a Command+up arrow on Mac that immediately puts you at the top of the page without lag? It is much more reliable to press keys than to aim for a button with a mouse. I think most goons do already know this and are already in the habit of pressing it all the time while they use a web browser, since there are plenty of sites where it's helpful to do so often (Wikipedia is a major one). On phones there's a built-in way as well and it's even easier; for iPhone just tap the empty area at the status bar (top of the screen) and you're instantly at the top. I don't think there is anyone out there who knows how to use technology who is having a hard time with the forum scrolling experience. If the average person needs to hear anything, it's the above information (making them better power users of their device on any page) rather than any announcement about features that are only helpful on this page. In short, don't waste any more time fretting over whether people are able scroll this site well enough - it's a solved problem built in to the browsers already. Whoever requested the feature was either uninformed or their request was misunderstood.
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Jun 17, 2018 00:46
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Lowtax posted:That's something I could definitely fix, but before I start working on it, I'd like to read more feedback from you guys about the ideal way to optimize and implement a fix. Some goon once made this neat GreaseMonkey script that created a searchbox at the top of the smilies page and then searched in the name, code and description of the smilie showing a dropdown with the title and also the picture. It unfortunately broke with a GM update a while ago, but implementing something along those lines and making sure all the smilies have a semblance of a decent description would be fine. Maybe you could even (get someone to) fix it and just make it part of the page as is? I don't really know much web dev code stuff.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:I'm not 100% positive on this: Lowtax, do you know there's already a ctrl+home shortcut on Windows and a Command+up arrow on Mac that immediately puts you at the top of the page without lag? It is much more reliable to press keys than to aim for a button with a mouse. I think most goons do already know this and are already in the habit of pressing it all the time while they use a web browser, since there are plenty of sites where it's helpful to do so often (Wikipedia is a major one).
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Jun 17, 2018 00:49
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Nurge posted:e: And just to be clear I'm not being sarcastic. I legit loved the slow ride to the top. I also enjoyed the smooth action of the big arrow and lament its passing.
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Jun 17, 2018 00:58
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Why does everyone want to go to the top of the page anyway?
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Jun 17, 2018 01:00
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luchajones posted:Why does everyone want to go to the top of the page anyway? Because apparently I'm the only one who uses the jump box in the bottom left hand corner. The up button is useful if you want to go back to the top from half way through a page without having to scroll up or down, though.
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Jun 17, 2018 01:03
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luchajones posted:Why does everyone want to go to the top of the page anyway?
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Lolie posted:Because apparently I'm the only one who uses the jump box in the bottom left hand corner. If that’s the drop down menu with the forum list, every app user uses it too. You’re not alone!
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Jun 17, 2018 01:56
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I can only assume you misread what he said. He's saying that there is a work around that YOU can do to make the smilies easier to see, by just shrinking your browser window. Otherwise I have no idea what your sentence is referring to. poo poo I quoted the wrong thing, that was wrt making posting in the current forum impossible but still being able to navigate to it from the old forum
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Jun 17, 2018 02:52
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Without a quote I'm not sure which person is saying that now but that conversation has repeated a few times already.Dumb Lowtax posted:No, no migration. Start anew with empty forums and subforums. A blank slate. All threads start from scratch. Grump posted:
I had a response already but again by not quoting the right person, no one could tell what I was referring to. To top it off Grump quoted the wrong post of mine too. This entire conversation topic has been a big comedy of errors. Dumb Lowtax posted:If there were a new forum platform called "the new SomethingAwful location" hosted somewhere with a ton of completely empty subforums laid out in the same way, they'd fill up pretty fast with new threads and people from here would pretty much know what to do. Having the existing threads there wouldn't add much value, even less so over time (they might as well slip into archives once the new place is filled up with new threads). Dumb Lowtax posted:Yeah you'd still be paying to host the old software at the old links concurrently with the new but you're paying to host the old stuff right now anyway. Traffic would split between them as people either want to see an old thread or a new one, they wouldn't do both simultaneously. I don't know what this "exponential increase" nonsense is with the traffic costs of running both platforms concurrently for a little while. All the more reason to move to a completely new platform where quoting works in a more modern way -- more integrated with the viewer, harder to misinterpret, and harder to miss notifications of. There's something to the "branching tree" nested replies model that helps capture some of the cases where conversations can go in circles unbeknownst to people, but the reddit model sure as hell should not be imitated for a number of reasons. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 02:59
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Dumb Lowtax posted:
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:poo poo I quoted the wrong thing, that was wrt making posting in the current forum impossible but still being able to navigate to it from the old forum By far most of the activity will be in the new system, though, in that scenario. Lowtax can possibly gauge the relative traffic by comparing current to archives traffic, and I would be shocked if archives make up more than 10% of it, and surprised if over 5%. Once everyone copies over their super important megathread mega-OPs and the new system populates with enough threads, traffic on the then-old forums will drop off to approximately the same level archives use currently.
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Jun 17, 2018 03:08
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Lowtax posted:But the thing is, nested inside nested inside nested inside nested quotes suck. Yeah they do suck. There's no right answer. Both the "nest replies infinite times" and "nest replies zero times" models make different tasks hard to do in a conversation. I've been racking my brain for a better solution for a long time. One of the projects on my backburner is a prototype for a forum visualizer that groups posts both spatially and chronologically -- turning each record of a post quoting another into an edge in a graph, and rearranging where the posts are drawn such that it minimizes average edge length. Somehow draw that while still clearly marking where the tail of the conversation currently is - the most recent posts. Not sure what it will be like but I'll try it soon. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Lowtax posted:But the thing is, nested inside nested inside nested inside nested quotes suck. Ya I agree. Nested quoting becomes unreadable at point as well. I haven't really had a problem with SA quoting, and the reading by clicking someone name to go back a quote doesn't really bother me.
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