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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"I'M NOT MELTING DOWN! I'M NOT MELTING DOWN!" Yossarian says, as he slowly breaches containment. your sense of humor is so obscurantist that it's like dennis miller made a joke about the sokal affair
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Jun 18, 2018 05:03
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Infernot posted:These "Leninists" and "Maoists" are just as much a threat to capital just as anywhere else there were people who were a "threat" to capital previously and now those same people are in cushy political jobs and the places they threatened capital are just still capitalist poo poo holes. Mao and the red guard were such threats to capital that China is now the number one capitalist state in the world and their workers are in a literal dystopia. This need to cling to historical groups is such a slippery slope that there's unironic Dengists who think China is "actually existing socialism with Chinese characteristics". I'm not opposed in principle to Leninists, but the people who proudly proclaim themselves MLs on the internet and who play politics and cling to past movements are the types who I oppose. It's just LARPing, and I have all the respect in the world for the people who are reading and learning independently "on the internet" instead of toeing a theoretical party line and going to pointless meetings and marches. lmao  "It's just LARPing" - Infernot, SA poster
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Jun 18, 2018 05:05
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Yossarian-22 posted:your sense of humor is so obscurantist that it's like dennis miller made a joke about the sokal affair Yer praxis is so obtuse it's like Pol Pot followed the Shining Path up Posadas's rear end in a top hat, babe.
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Jun 18, 2018 05:06
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Jun 18, 2018 05:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yer praxis is so obtuse it's like Pol Pot followed the Shining Path up Posadas's rear end in a top hat, babe. when ur not mad
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Jun 18, 2018 05:11
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https://twitter.com/D0GGEAUX/status/1008557575304966146
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Jun 18, 2018 05:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:lmao https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/asia/india-maoist-rebels-villagers/index.html Search around and you'll find more articles documenting rape, murder, and extortion from Maoists in India. They've killed more civilians than police or officials from the Indian government. I think they pose more of a threat to the people they (hopefully) want to protect and bring into their group than capital right now. Hell, even the Bolsheviks, who I admire, didn't pose much of a threat to capital at any point in their run before things settled into the USSR. Why do you have to make this an "us vs them" ordeal and pigeonhole yourself into defending terrible groups and politics?
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Jun 18, 2018 05:18
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Infernot posted:https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/asia/india-maoist-rebels-villagers/index.html insurgency is never pretty and i'm sure there are such incidents because its rare for an anti government force (usually infiltrated to hell and back) to have total control and discipline over their cadres, but from everything i've read the naxals had a shitload of civilian and local support in rural chattisgarh and maharashtra. everything i've seen to this point points to the vast majority of atrocities committed by right wing paramilitaries and the local landlord/criminal types, can you point to stuff contradicting that from actual news sources (cnn is generally worthless)
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Jun 18, 2018 05:23
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Infernot's the kind of guy who was against the FARC peace treaty,, because they did some bad bad things. lol
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Jun 18, 2018 05:25
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Jun 18, 2018 05:35
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so you agree real communists exist
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I can't believe the French Communist Party didn't want to risk a civil war on the basis of a hypothetical 1/5 public support. didnt stop the jacobins
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Jun 18, 2018 05:58
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:didnt stop the jacobins You know what did stop the jacobins? That's right. 
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Jun 18, 2018 05:58
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FCP went from having 1/5th of the public's support to 1/50th. But selling out May '68 was for the good of the party 
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Jun 18, 2018 06:26
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Yossarian-22 posted:FCP went from having 1/5th of the public's support to 1/50th. But selling out May '68 was for the good of the party Support for the revolution didn't mean support for the communist party. There were several participants in the May demonstrations, and most of them didn't have to follow the FCP's lead when they agreed to the snap election - but they did anyway.
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Jun 18, 2018 06:34
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The FCP was also supported by roughly 20% of the electorate, comrade. The similarity of that number to the poll I cited earlier is purely coincidental
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Jun 18, 2018 06:36
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Yossarian-22 posted:The FCP was also supported by roughly 20% of the electorate, comrade. The similarity of that number to the poll I cited earlier is purely coincidental Then surely the election proved that the silent majority was silent no more. This is pointless.
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Jun 18, 2018 06:51
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I didn't even know that tankies defended toothless eurocommunists but here we are...
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Jun 18, 2018 06:54
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Yossarian-22 posted:I didn't even know that tankies defended toothless eurocommunists but here we are...
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Jun 18, 2018 07:00
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Jun 18, 2018 07:14
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how about instead of 'sectarian' it's 'sextarian,' the kind of faction that likes to gently caress. just a thought
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Jun 18, 2018 07:16
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Jun 18, 2018 07:33
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The Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, literally did not know if Norway is a majority white country. Sen. Patrick Leahy asked at her confirmation hearing and she hesitated before saying, "I actually do not know that, sir." She added, "But I imagine that is the case."
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Jun 18, 2018 07:37
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Sergg posted:The Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, literally did not know if Norway is a majority white country. Sen. Patrick Leahy asked at her confirmation hearing and she hesitated before saying, "I actually do not know that, sir." She added, "But I imagine that is the case." i traveled with an islamophobic couple from poland for a little while. the guy was the opposite of this. he'd be like "muslims are taking over the country! they're already .2% of the population!!"
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Jun 18, 2018 07:39
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Aliquid posted:i traveled with an islamophobic couple from poland for a little while. the guy was the opposite of this. he'd be like "muslims are taking over the country! they're already .2% of the population!!" I figured that our DHS Secretary didn't know because she was trying to reconcile Norway being in Europe with whatever dumb bullshit fasho propaganda fills up her Twitter feed.
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Jun 18, 2018 07:42
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Sergg posted:I figured that our DHS Secretary didn't know because she was trying to reconcile Norway being in Europe with whatever dumb bullshit fasho propaganda fills up her Twitter feed. my cousin will do poo poo like that, be willfully ignorant about obvious poo poo so it doesn't taint Pure Strain Ideology
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Jun 18, 2018 07:51
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relitigating past revolutions is mostly pointless - we have the benefit of hindsight, the people doing them didn't. The owl of minerva flies at dusk, and so on. the more interesting questions is: given the current disparity in technology and power between a state and it'd people, are such revolutions even possible anymore?
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Jun 18, 2018 08:51
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another question: we've also seen the Trump administration slowly move into more and more openly vicious and cruel policies w.r.t immigrants. Is this perhaps a political strategy? low level chuds don't have much intentionality, but dipshits like miller have to at least be aware of history. I strongly suspect their guiding principle of 'triggering the libs' is to force a Reichstag-Fire event, which they can use to justify a broader repression. But it's not working, so they're resorting to more and more openly and brazenly fascist policies, and everyone else is beginning to notice.
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Jun 18, 2018 08:57
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rudatron posted:another question: we've also seen the Trump administration slowly move into more and more openly vicious and cruel policies w.r.t immigrants. Is this perhaps a political strategy? low level chuds don't have much intentionality, but dipshits like miller have to at least be aware of history. I strongly suspect their guiding principle of 'triggering the libs' is to force a Reichstag-Fire event, which they can use to justify a broader repression. But it's not working, so they're resorting to more and more openly and brazenly fascist policies, and everyone else is beginning to notice. that's a little much
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Jun 18, 2018 09:06
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Aliquid posted:that's a little much idk I think it's a valid question, even if both posts in conjunction come off very doom and gloom we haven't had any kind of radical leftwing terrorism since the 60s/70s and I think it's obvious that if it invited repression then that it would invite even more repression now. so it's worth worrying about
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Jun 18, 2018 09:55
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I don't really think Miller would not want to be as brutally repressive towards immigrants, even if he wasn't trying to create some kind of reaction that could be leveraged.
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Jun 18, 2018 09:58
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rudatron posted:relitigating past revolutions is mostly pointless - we have the benefit of hindsight, the people doing them didn't. The owl of minerva flies at dusk, and so on. yes but, consider what the body count in the war on terror is. that's what you'd have to accept to fight a revolution against the state and all it's resources. But then again, a sufficiently popular revolution would theoretically include National Guard units and probably federal military units too. Which would break the careful chain of logistics and command that keeps the DoD functioning. And what if NATO/SEATO/The UN became involved? So my final answer is 'yes, but it would be horrible beyond belief unless the government surrendered immediately'
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Jun 18, 2018 10:31
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Larry Parrish posted:yes lol
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rudatron posted:another question: we've also seen the Trump administration slowly move into more and more openly vicious and cruel policies w.r.t immigrants. Is this perhaps a political strategy? low level chuds don't have much intentionality, but dipshits like miller have to at least be aware of history. I strongly suspect their guiding principle of 'triggering the libs' is to force a Reichstag-Fire event, which they can use to justify a broader repression. But it's not working, so they're resorting to more and more openly and brazenly fascist policies, and everyone else is beginning to notice. I think you're projecting your own qualities of thoughtfulness onto a person who was friends with Richard Spencer in college and told kids he couldn't be friends with them since they were Mexicans.
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Jun 18, 2018 11:19
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After reading more about Secretary of Homeland Security Nielsen and reading 2 months of her Tweets, I've come to the conclusion that she's ignorant, incompetent, and just a grifter who does whatever Trump and Stephen Miller tell her to.
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anyone who publicly calls out or poo poo talks orgs/parties/tendencies should be ignored. criticism is fine, but usually twitter isnt criticism its just "lol X group is trash" type poo poo. i disagree with anarcho-syndicalism or whatever but im not gonna write a long think piece about how wrong the IWW is if they get a sudden influx of 100k new members, ill be happy that a bunch of people are getting active and organized in anticapitalist politics. socialists should always be striving for unification with one another and the broader working class and that doesnt mean unprincipled "left unity" but it does mean trying to find common cause and agreement so that we can work together wherever possible foster cooperation and greater understanding for all of us
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Dreddout posted:turning a big dial taht says "Leftism" on it and constantly looking back at the politburo for approval like a contestant on the price is right lol
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rudatron posted:another question: we've also seen the Trump administration slowly move into more and more openly vicious and cruel policies w.r.t immigrants. Is this perhaps a political strategy? low level chuds don't have much intentionality, but dipshits like miller have to at least be aware of history. I strongly suspect their guiding principle of 'triggering the libs' is to force a Reichstag-Fire event, which they can use to justify a broader repression. But it's not working, so they're resorting to more and more openly and brazenly fascist policies, and everyone else is beginning to notice. I think it's less they want some kind of violent left wing response to pass their own enabling acts (though no doubt they'd love it), and more that they see leftwing pushback against their policies as helping to mobilize the rightwing base. If you're always saying hollywood and the msm and the professional activists are all against Real Americans and working to subvert us, pushing hard at these kind of issues forces them to vocally acknowledge and stand against you when you do things like run immigrant concentration camps, thus validating the siege mentality you want to cultivate to radicalize your base.
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