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Your obsession with me is getting kind of weird.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Your obsession with me is getting kind of weird. You really suck, dude
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Jun 18, 2018 15:49
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Guy Goodbody posted:You really suck, dude Sorry for daring to say that fury road, which is a movie I enjoyed, isn't some deep masterpiece. I guess I picked the wrong thread to post an unpopular opinion in.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:51
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I don't think any movie or book or game is deep or meaningful or enriching. They're just good entertainment that make you feel reenergized so you can keep being the best person you can be.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:54
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Jun 18, 2018 15:54
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Your obsession with me is getting kind of weird. It was really hard for a while because there was some dude itt with the same avatar as you posting almost as badly almost
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Jun 18, 2018 15:55
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I'm with i eat rear end, its a good movie but the hyperbole at its release was bizarre. I went into it expecting some mind of classic all time masterpiece from all the overblown praise and lol, its not that.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:55
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Aramek posted:I don't think any movie or book or game is deep or meaningful or enriching. It all depends on your definitions of deep/meaningful/enriching but I think at least with books that is not true, unless you only mean works of fiction. I definitely agree on games though. No game has ever made me stop and ponder existence or taught me anything substantial, and never will because that's not what people want from a game.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:57
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purple death ray posted:It was really hard for a while because there was some dude itt with the same avatar as you posting almost as badly I do miss my cat avatar. I really want to know who is buying me these avatars and how many they've done, it seems like every time I check my profile it's something different. Unpopular opinion: avatars and signatures off is the optimal SA experience.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:01
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yeah I eat rear end posted:It all depends on your definitions of deep/meaningful/enriching but I think at least with books that is not true, unless you only mean works of fiction. I definitely agree on games though. No game has ever made me stop and ponder existence or taught me anything substantial, and never will because that's not what people want from a game. I went back and read the last page or so and you did a pretty slick job of moving the goal posts from "Fury Road isn't even that good, it's nowhere near the best action movie of all time" to "Fury Road isn't a deep artistic masterpiece". Like, ok yea Fury Road isn't a Tarkovsky film, who ever said it was? But if you're a lifelong fan of action movies, and you don't appreciate the work and craft that was put into those action scenes in Fury Road, you just have no eye for what makes an action scene good or bad.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:07
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Basebf555 posted:I went back and read the last page or so and you did a pretty slick job of moving the goal posts from "Fury Road isn't even that good, it's nowhere near the best action movie of all time" to "Fury Road isn't a deep artistic masterpiece". To be fair, I don't remember what the goal posts even were yesterday, but I do know my opinion overall has stayed "it is nice to look at and is entertaining" but the poo poo doverhog was reading into it was only there at a very shallow level. Go back and read his posts. Whatever the movie was, it wasn't that.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:12
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Your obsession with me is getting kind of weird. A few things, first is that there aren't that many posters. Second is that memory isn't that spotty, even for me when I wake and bake. Third is that you post aggressively and notably self-hating, goodness-hating things, like support for selling out, support for bullying, support for ICE's slavecatcher policies, watching Equilibrium, etc. But you also sound like someone who is deeply not enjoying life, so even though you may be defensive about pity, I can't help but feel sorry for you, and the worse you respond to that, the sadder I feel.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:12
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Saying "there's no more feminist subtext to Fury Road than there is Thomas the Tank Engine" should legally define a person as blind so yeah I'm gonna say he doesn't have the best eye
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Jun 18, 2018 16:14
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Caufman posted:A few things, first is that there aren't that many posters. Second is that memory isn't that spotty, even for me when I wake and bake. Third is that you post aggressively and notably self-hating, goodness-hating things, like support for selling out, support for bullying, support for ICE's slavecatcher policies, watching Equilibrium, etc. But you also sound like someone who is deeply not enjoying life, so even though you may be defensive about pity, I can't help but feel sorry for you, and the worse you respond to that, the sadder I feel. You've put a lot more thought into my posting than I have my friend.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:14
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yeah I eat rear end posted:You've put a lot more thought into my posting than I have my friend. Maybe you should try it
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Jun 18, 2018 16:15
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yeah I eat rear end posted:You've put a lot more thought into my posting than I have my friend. This is not endearing. I do like that you have a new AV though because it's a lot easier to remember and notice who is posting when there aren't 2 pyf cats. I could actually get into an argument about Fury Road being a masterpiece, but that wasn't even what we were talking about it. I just denied that it's dumb car chase and nothing more.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:19
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*has explosive diarrhea all over your living room* "Hey that's really loving gross dude ever heard of a toilet?" "heh you've put a lot more thought into my poop than I have"
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Jun 18, 2018 16:22
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doverhog posted:I just denied that it's dumb car chase and nothing more. And even if that were the case, Fury Road is still the best dumb car chase movie ever made. At least the best we've had in 25-30 years. So why wouldn't people get excited for that and pack theatres to see it? It's not like anyone was out there saying it got robbed at Cannes.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:51
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yeah I eat rear end posted:You've put a lot more thought into my posting than I have my friend. My friend, that's not the noteworthy part. In five minutes, I can think more deeply about your life than you ever have
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Jun 18, 2018 17:07
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The thing that impressed me most about fury road was the world building. It's very obvious that a lot of thought went into how the world was and how it got that way. Even went down to little linguistic quirks. Who killed the world?
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Jun 18, 2018 19:56
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"We have become half life" is also good
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Jun 18, 2018 20:04
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The thing that impressed me most about fury road was the world building. It's very obvious that a lot of thought went into how the world was and how it got that way. Even went down to little linguistic quirks. And when you see all that lush green plants and plentiful water there has to be way more of that. Immortan Joe is hoarding it like how the other tribes hoard their bullets.
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Jun 18, 2018 20:07
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you know, as weird as it is even tho i thought fury road was a great action movie i personally never saw anything especially feminist in it so i'm at least in partial agreement with yeah i eat rear end ...but that's probably because i've seen about a billion old westerns where the premise was there's a bunch of cowboys unified under a head outlaw - who all act like wannabe tough guys and do awful things to women, families, minorities, etc because they happen to have a local town under their thumb - where you can just as well describe the villains with terms like toxic masculity/patriarchy/oppressors/etc where the head outlaw even functions more like an ideologue for a macho lifestyle that the others parrot instead of exclusively being a physical threat, and later these fiends get their comeuppance when a lone drifter gets caught up in the mix, liberates an abused woman or two while escaping, grows a conscience, then returns as a team to cut through the enemy right down to the catch that the woman happens to be a phenomenal shot with a rifle while the drifter makes an art of handling a pistol - entertaining old movies to be sure but rarely considered to have much substance it's fair to point out that a lot of different people have been substituted as the abused over the years (the impoverished, visible minorities, political prisoners, etc) so using women sometimes is more of a variation on a more general premise anyway i'm sure that by adjusting the prominence of the lead women's roles, how competent they are before the drifter intervenes and by shifting the focus more towards to the actual plight of women then on the drifter's persona that you can subtly shift from machismo drek like a lot of the old westerns were to feminist ballads like fury road arguably was but i guess in my definitely unpopular opinion that there's just something about the heroes ultimately defeating the antagonists with the exact same insanely over-the-top ultraviolence, an ideal the villains both use in their own methods and extol the virtues of in their pet ideologies, that usually undermines a thoughtful criticism of that same thing i'm 100% willing to admit that even tho i didn't see that angle in fury road that doesn't mean it's not there tho hard counter has a new favorite as of 02:19 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 18, 2018 20:29
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I think Fury Road caused a shitstorm with the gamer gate people because the women were too strong or something But to be fair they get triggered by anything, even Star Wars
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Jun 18, 2018 20:35
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I'm not sure why a feminist message needs to necessarily be a non-violent one though. The women characters in Fury Road kill their tormenter, take possession of his home, and presumably make life better for the people who had previously been going through Joe for basic poo poo like water. They assert themselves as people with actual value, not just baby-making machines. The world of Mad Max is extremely harsh and they had to use violence to take back what was rightfully their's, and they did. Seems pretty feminist to me. Basebf555 has a new favorite as of 20:42 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Jun 18, 2018 20:36
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Those people are going to be out of water and food in a month because of their lack of rationing. Joe was a horrible monster, but a necessary one to keep the masses alive. You see if we look at recent politics as an example, *goes off on a 15000 word rant about eugenics, socialism, feminism, fascism, the nature of dictatorships, and desert tribalism over a movie about mutant monster men and exploding cars
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Jun 18, 2018 20:42
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Solice Kirsk posted:Those people are going to be out of water and food in a month because of their lack of rationing. Joe was a horrible monster, but a necessary one to keep the masses alive. You see if we look at recent politics as an example, This is because the women were too EMOTIONAL to see beyond the short term gains, but Joe was RATIONAL enough to see the bigger picture
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Jun 18, 2018 21:06
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HEALTHY BAAAAABIIIEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
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Basebf555 posted:I'm not sure why a feminist message needs to necessarily be a non-violent one though. The women characters in Fury Road kill their tormenter, take possession of his home, and presumably make life better for the people who had previously been going through Joe for basic poo poo like water. They assert themselves as people with actual value, not just baby-making machines. it's not necessary that it has to be totally non-violent but i would say that when the bad guy is almost an ideology made person and that ideology heavily involves using hyper aggressive ultraviolence to get your way because that's what real badass men do AND the claim is that the film does things like oppose toxic masculinity or whatever, the protagonists cheerfully using the same violence for their own purposes - because the film presents itself as a fun action movie instead of a more nuanced descent - undermines a full criticism of that original ideology, it can still be intended as a partial criticism and can still be enjoyed that way sure but it loses steam by more obliviously embracing major parts of the thing it says are bad that's why i can't see the film as being especially feminist in a way that stands out especially when you compare it to a lot of older films which more or less did the exact same things by creating villains who were bad because they saw women/minorities/etc as property and spitefully treated them that way and while having heroes who were good because they thought otherwise, and recognizing that instead of those older films being praised for their forward thinking they were criticized for their blind embrace of humanity's dark side however Mu Zeta posted:I think Fury Road caused a shitstorm with the gamer gate people because the women were too strong or something maybe the other parts of the movie, stuff like that is enough to push it back around, it probably succeeds at the things it sets out to do enough that i shouldn't worry about the other parts being all wrapped up in a masterful package hard counter has a new favorite as of 02:21 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 18, 2018 22:08
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The women are actual characters with discernable personalities and agency, not just plot devices that give the cowboy/detective/MacGyver someone to rescue. The women in Fury Road are in a detestable situation but the movie isn't about Max rescuing them from it, they make and execute their own plan to escape. Max just bumbles into their story, like Max does. Yeah there's a lot of old movies or TV shows where the bad guy is the worst parts of masculinity and is presented as a bad person because of how he treats women - but it's rarely the women he's victimized who liberate themselves. The moll goes into the private eye's office and asks for help. That kind of thing. It's still the idea that good men need to protect women from bad men. Most of the "good guys" from that kind of stuff could believably be the bad guys today. Paternalistic "Father knows best" sexism is still sexism.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:20
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It's been a while since I've seen Fury Road but doesn't Max as much get rescued by the women as the other way around?
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Jun 18, 2018 22:27
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Furiosa was also hell of badass in her own right and you just know the alt right hated that fact. Fury road wasn't about max at all. He just wanted to survive and get away from the past he never stops running from. Furiosa was really the main character.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:31
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I've posted about this too much already but yeah that's one of the things that pissed me off the most about that whole argument that Max isn't the hero and blah blah it's not really a Mad Max movie, like... What do you think happens in a Mad Max movie? He wanders into other people's business and then car chases happen. Fuckin fake geek boys.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:51
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purple death ray posted:Yeah there's a lot of old movies or TV shows where the bad guy is the worst parts of masculinity and is presented as a bad person because of how he treats women - but it's rarely the women he's victimized who liberate themselves yeah i mean stuff like that is probably doing enough to achieve fury road's more limited goals, like having a lady be a fully equal foil to an eastwood-type drifter is still enough of a step forward to make certain gamergate nerds angry that i probably shouldn't discount its merits so quickly... but i still have trouble seeing it as the super insightful criticism that people tell me it is when it instead seems more like a film with great representation imuo
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Jun 18, 2018 22:52
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purple death ray posted:I've posted about this too much already but yeah that's one of the things that pissed me off the most about that whole argument that Max isn't the hero and blah blah it's not really a Mad Max movie, like... What do you think happens in a Mad Max movie? He wanders into other people's business and then car chases happen. Fuckin fake geek boys. I mean, the first one is definitely about him.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:53
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I was skeptical after the original trilogy when George Miller said he wanted to do a spinoff, but Babe and Pig in the City were really good.
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Jun 18, 2018 23:09
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Game of the Thrones is bad
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Jun 18, 2018 23:12
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hard counter posted:yeah i mean stuff like that is probably doing enough to achieve fury road's more limited goals, like having a lady be a fully equal foil to an eastwood-type drifter is still enough of a step forward to make certain gamergate nerds angry that i probably shouldn't discount its merits so quickly... but i still have trouble seeing it as the super insightful criticism that people tell me it is when it instead seems more like a film with great representation imuo That's really all I think of Fury Road, it's an extremely good movie with great representation and car stunts. It doesn't try to be anything more and it doesn't need to be anything more. It gets talked about as a feminist movie because it actually treats its women characters as human beings. I could write a big rear end list of all the little subtle things that make the women in Fury Road feel like people and not just women but I'm home from work now, so my unpopular opinion is that it's time to get high and eat spaghetti
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Jun 18, 2018 23:23
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Its a well made tv show that has an over the top fanbase. I got maybe a season and a half in before i lost interest but my girlfriend and work mates all love it. Westworld on the other hand I lasted about 35 minutes before dropping it. Nothing about that first 2/3 episode drew me in.
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HBO's Fahrenheit 451 was critically panned, but I enjoyed it. Michael Shannon is never not watchable and Michael Jordan was as funny in it as he was in Space Jam.
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