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For :fifteenbux: this is going to be my stocking stuffer to everyone I know with a switch who doesn't already have it. Also Dream Gate is amazing for tracking down random things and exploring out of the way corners for the last few masks and caterpillars.
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Knorth posted:The big rumble when you hit a switch in that area is that hole opening up. It is a little unclear I feel Yeah, that's definitely why I missed them my first time and ended up not exploring down that way until I had several upgrades and was strong enough to beat them in one go with no problem whatsoever. But it was still a blast and is probably one of my favorite fights, and now I rush down there immediately each time. I showed my partner the fight, and he was surprised when the Mantis Lords were all female, which was another nice touch. God I love this game. Nephzinho posted:Also Dream Gate is amazing for tracking down random things and exploring out of the way corners for the last few masks and caterpillars. I never used it on my PC runs but I'll be giving this a shot on Switch, I think!
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Jun 18, 2018 15:29
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im going to buy this game for Switch tonight I passed it up on PC because I didn't have a good controller at the time any good hints? I heard there is some place called 'Deep' something that I should probably wait on till I upgrade
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Jun 18, 2018 16:40
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eonwe posted:im going to buy this game for Switch tonight There are no wrong directions
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i see, well I like those kinds of games. im looking foward to it, I've heard what an amazing game this is.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:48
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eonwe posted:im going to buy this game for Switch tonight Explore everything! The game is full of hidden secrets. Pay attention to signs! The game has a lot of destructible objects and I see a lot of people break the signs without even looking at them. They point you to good stuff! Also, importantly - don't worry about dying. It'll happen, but it'll never set you far back! The game gets comparisons to Dark Souls because you leave your currency where you die, but unlike Dark Souls you don't need that currency to progress your character so losing it really isn't that bad (even if it can feel bad) Just explore the game and have fun basically 
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Your Computer posted:Explore everything! The game is full of hidden secrets. Pay attention to signs! The game has a lot of destructible objects and I see a lot of people break the signs without even looking at them. They point you to good stuff! Losing souls is not a big deal in dark souls either
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Jun 18, 2018 16:52
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Andrast posted:There are no wrong directions This is absolutely the best advice for a new player. Coupled with that is this additional point: if you're having trouble with something, be it a boss or, like, a really dark and scary place, just go somewhere else for a while. The game is really big and way, way longer than you think it's going to be. You'll get tons of upgrades and when you come back to whatever it is that was beating you, you'll win this time. Perseverance is the Knight's greatest strength. Beat him down, cast him off, bury him deep in the earth... he will climb back out and prevail.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:53
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is there a map, and can I mark it with stuff? The reason Metroidvanias stress me out is because I feel like I'll never remember to go back to X place. I thought BotW would stress me out for the same reason, but I could mark stuff for later, which it turns out I loved.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:02
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There is a map, but you have to get it from someone.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:07
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eonwe posted:is there a map, and can I mark it with stuff? The reason Metroidvanias stress me out is because I feel like I'll never remember to go back to X place. I thought BotW would stress me out for the same reason, but I could mark stuff for later, which it turns out I loved. There's a map and there are pretty great mapping features! You will need to find the cartographer in each zone to get the map, though. There are pins you can buy that will automatically pin all sorts of important stuff on your map and the latest DLC (which I believe is in the Switch version too?) adds a bunch of pins that you can place manually. See a place you can't quite get to with your current abilities? Pin it so you can remember it for later! One thing I've seen some people complain about is that the game will fill in an entire room on the map when you get there, so it can be hard to know if you've found all the secrets just by looking at the map. An easy way to deal with this is to actually explore a room before you move to the next one though 
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Jun 18, 2018 17:09
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eonwe posted:im going to buy this game for Switch tonight Highly recommend you follow this very lightly spoilery progression guide, at least until you get access to all mobility options. My first playthrough was blind and I just went wherever I felt like, and had to do a whole shitload of backtracking because I'd reach an inaccessible path. Kinda a sour feeling to spend a half hour pushing in one direction for the dozenth time, only to reach yet another ledge I could get to if I had double jump god damnit............. Once you get the powerups listed in that guide, go wherever you want with only occasional backtracking! enojy fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Jun 18, 2018 17:15
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enojy posted:Highly recommend you follow this very lightly spoilery progression guide I'd say those are pretty big spoilers 
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Jun 18, 2018 17:17
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enojy posted:Highly recommend you follow this very lightly spoilery progression guide, at least until you get access to all mobility options. My first playthrough was blind and I just went wherever I felt like, and had to do a whole shitload of backtracking because I'd reach an inaccessible path. Kinda a sour feeling to spend a half hour pushing in one direction for the dozenth time, only to reach yet another ledge I could get to if I had double jump god damnit............. I highly recommend you don't
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Your Computer posted:I'd say those are pretty big spoilers Oh, fair enough! I didn't think it was that bad. The link contains a good number of map location names, and the movement powerups you can obtain -- proceed at your own risk.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:21
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eonwe posted:im going to buy this game for Switch tonight you can aim your sword downwards if you attack in midair. hitting enemies or certain objects with a downward swing makes you bounce up a little. you can use this to get more air time when jumping, or chain attacks together to pogo bounce for extended periods of time. some people figure this out instantly on their own; others don't and get stuck for a while when the game eventually requires you to bounce off things. you may want to give pogoing a try early on because it's often useful & mandatory to proceed in some places
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thanks and if I get really confused I might do the progression guide anyway. that may actually be really helpful for me, but we'll see how it goes first.
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enojy posted:Oh, fair enough! I didn't think it was that bad. The link contains a good number of map location names, and the movement powerups you can obtain -- proceed at your own risk.  Obviously everyone enjoys these sorts of games differently so I'm not trying to police anything here. I'm personally really glad I played it completely and utterly blind (I agree with Andrast that there is no wrong way to go) but I know a lot of people like to beeline for upgrades and stuff ASAP. spoilers ahoy it's also funny how much stuff is actually optional. I didn't get the double jump until I had cleared out like 98% of the map because I used pogoing to get to places. It's also funny to see people who somehow go around the entire map in the most roundabout way, like the person who mentioned going to the City of Tears from Deepnest -> Tram -> Ancient Basin -> Tram -> Kingdom's Edge -> City of Tears instead of just... going through the front gate. Everyone's experience is different and that's wonderful! Your Computer fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Tbh the only thing I'd kinda recommend to someone playing for the first time would be to get the dream nail pretty early on, maybe after the boss in greenpath if it's possible at that time? Even that probably doesn't matter too much in the long run, it's just nice to be able to have another fast travel option.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:43
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Jun 18, 2018 17:45
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Actually I could use a rec. I'm feeling a little undecided on where to go next and I also wouldn't mind getting that nail upgrade. So far I did the first area and green path. Last thing of note I did was fight hornet so I have the dash. Went to all the areas that were blocked via dash that could think of and all of them are either blocked by a second ability I need or seem a little tough. The only place iirc that I didn't get blocked off was the mines, but everything took forever to kill there so I was wondering if it's better to upgrade first and how I might go about doing that.
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My take on a beginner's list:
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It makes me so happy to see this thread active again. How I wish I could experience this game again, for the first time. Whatever you end up doing, just make sure you absorb as much of the experience as you can  .
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veni veni veni posted:Actually I could use a rec. I'm feeling a little undecided on where to go next and I also wouldn't mind getting that nail upgrade. So far I did the first area and green path. Last thing of note I did was fight hornet so I have the dash. Went to all the areas that were blocked via dash that could think of and all of them are either blocked by a second ability I need or seem a little tough. The only place iirc that I didn't get blocked off was the mines, but everything took forever to kill there so I was wondering if it's better to upgrade first and how I might go about doing that. sounds like you want to hit up the fungal wastes next. easiest way to get there is through the forgotten crossroads, lower left side of the map (there's a room with a ledge you need the airdash to reach). you've still got a bit to go before you can upgrade the nail. the swordsmith npc is in the city of tears. you can access the city from the fungal wastes, but only after you collect one more major platforming upgrade
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There's also a few places where foreground effects will intentionally be placed to cover up secret passages, namely secret vertical passages. The lighting around these will look a little off which is supposed to clue you in on there being empty space there rather than a wall.
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I was going to go sell some of my seals in the city of tears and the path is closed now. I guess that statue didn't open a permanent path?
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Wildtortilla posted:I was going to go sell some of my seals in the city of tears and the path is closed now. I guess that statue didn't open a permanent path? nope, the main gates will remain closed. use the stagways (or whichever route you used to leave the city, if you did so without opening a stag station)
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veni veni veni posted:Actually I could use a rec. I'm feeling a little undecided on where to go next and I also wouldn't mind getting that nail upgrade. So far I did the first area and green path. Last thing of note I did was fight hornet so I have the dash. Went to all the areas that were blocked via dash that could think of and all of them are either blocked by a second ability I need or seem a little tough. The only place iirc that I didn't get blocked off was the mines, but everything took forever to kill there so I was wondering if it's better to upgrade first and how I might go about doing that. At this stage the game is loosely pointing you toward the city. Try and find it - there's two ways there, but both involve going deeper.
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Thanks, dudes.
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veni veni veni posted:Actually I could use a rec. I'm feeling a little undecided on where to go next and I also wouldn't mind getting that nail upgrade. So far I did the first area and green path. Last thing of note I did was fight hornet so I have the dash. Went to all the areas that were blocked via dash that could think of and all of them are either blocked by a second ability I need or seem a little tough. The only place iirc that I didn't get blocked off was the mines, but everything took forever to kill there so I was wondering if it's better to upgrade first and how I might go about doing that. I actually would sorta recommend going through the mines first. You don't have the upgrade that lets you examine the area fully, but you can get to the bottom-right of the zone and get to something you'll want to do later anyway. As a bonus, that route eventually also leads to where you want to go! E: There's no wrong way, though. If you've already started down that other suggested route then you can just stick with that. Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Mymla posted:Tbh the only thing I'd kinda recommend to someone playing for the first time would be to get the dream nail pretty early on, maybe after the boss in greenpath if it's possible at that time? You can actually get the dream nail extremely early, the only boss you need to beat is the Gruz mother in order to reach Sly, and collect 1800 geo to buy his lamp. This means you can use it in the false knight and first hornet fights.
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I just love how many different ways there are to progress in this game. Every time I find myself bashing against a boss, I just wander somewhere else for a while and by the time I meander back I've found a new trick or better tactics or different charms and what was once a roadblock is now just a good challenge. This can, however, make it real tricky to figure what the heck I'm "supposed to be" doing next.
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Darox posted:You can actually get the dream nail extremely early, the only boss you need to beat is the Gruz mother in order to reach Sly, and collect 1800 geo to buy his lamp. This means you can use it in the false knight and first hornet fights. I would definitely rush to get the lamp early, it may not be strictly required in order to beat the game but it does grant a lot of peace of mind and makes navigating certain areas so much easier. Also the Gathering Swarm charm owns C-Euro fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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YggiDee posted:I just love how many different ways there are to progress in this game. Every time I find myself bashing against a boss, I just wander somewhere else for a while and by the time I meander back I've found a new trick or better tactics or different charms and what was once a roadblock is now just a good challenge. If you're ever unsure of where to go next simply look at your map and try to find paths at the edges that haven't been traversed yet. You can basically do that until you get to a point where it will start explicitly telling you where to go.
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C-Euro posted:I would definitely rush to get the lamp early, it may not strictly required in order to beat the game but it does grant a lot of peace of mind and makes navigating certain areas so much easier. Also the Gathering Swarm charm owns You want to be wearing Gathering Swam all the goddamn time, and it should 100% be your first purchase. I'd say also Greed, but I imagine it's not *that* great an idea first time through the game.
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 OH GOD IM FIGHTING THE MANTIS LORDS This game loving owns. 
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Learn the attack patterns, get ambitious. Start to rush down there in later playthroughs so you can wreck them for the items gained after.
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I think it's funny that the one really cheap rear end move hornet does could be negated by the ability you get from fighting her.
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Andrigaar posted:Learn the attack patterns, get ambitious. Start to rush down there in later playthroughs so you can wreck them for the items gained after. Yeah that fight owned. Took about five deaths but I consistently got better at each attempt. Which sums up this game in a nutshell.  I can see why it’s popular to rush down here soon, wish I had that upgrade a lot sooner... I’m guessing that I should listen to the games warning about entering
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Cartoon Man posted:Yeah that fight owned. Took about five deaths but I consistently got better at each attempt. Which sums up this game in a nutshell. Honestly? It's not that big a deal difficulty-wise. But is a fairly large area with some content only reachable late game, and I like completing the entire thing in one go. If you don't, you might have to back-track a fair bit. For only that reason I'd advise against it. However, going in entirely unprepared and low level can be a unique experience (ask Joseph Anderson for example). It might be worth it.
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