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Chomp didn't land a single hit and spent most of the match on its rear end. There's not a single category in which it beat out Wiyachi other than extreme slownessSnowglobe of Doom posted:Hey now, it's only a dumb strategy if it fails. They won the fight therefore rope-a-dope was a great plan. It did fail tho, the extra armor didn't do a drat thing. One more hit and Subzero's guts would have been shredded
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:It did fail tho, the extra armor didn't do a drat thing. One more hit and Subzero's guts would have been shredded It's irrelevant whether another hit would have finished off Sub Zero if Captain Shrederator was immobilized and wasn't capable of hitting it again. Shrederator's main weakness is shaking itself apart whenever it hits another bot so adding sacrificial armor that it can batter itself against is a viable plan, albeit a pretty risky one. The fight wasn't all that entertaining but they took a long shot and they got the win.  If Shrederator hadn't taken itself out of the fight and it had gone to a judge's decision there's no way they would have won so it was a crazy gamble either way.I can't see that strategy working on other bots, though. Smaller horizontal spinners will just batter against them all day long and then win on points and bigger bots like Tombstone would just smash them to pieces in seconds.
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Jun 16, 2018 18:08
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Chomp didn't land a single hit and spent most of the match on its rear end. There's not a single category in which it beat out Wiyachi other than extreme slowness Battlebots judging criteria are a bit different than you might expect. They look for damage, control, and aggression but the aggression category only counts for aggression with the primary weapon. Warrior shoved chomp around a lot but only used its flipper a few times. chomp was constantly swinging that hammer. Chomp was also fully functional at the end of the fight whereas warrior was smoking with a broken weapon. So I'm guessing Naomi assumed one of Chomps hammer hits broke the flipper (remember they don't have fancy camera closeups and multiple angles of the fight, they're just sitting box side) and gave it the damage and aggression points, with warrior winning in control.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:16
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Great Beer posted:Battlebots judging criteria are a bit different than you might expect. They look for damage, control, and aggression but the aggression category only counts for aggression with the primary weapon. Warrior shoved chomp around a lot but only used its flipper a few times. chomp was constantly swinging that hammer. Chomp was also fully functional at the end of the fight whereas warrior was smoking with a broken weapon. So I'm guessing Naomi assumed one of Chomps hammer hits broke the flipper (remember they don't have fancy camera closeups and multiple angles of the fight, they're just sitting box side) and gave it the damage and aggression points, with warrior winning in control. This guy battlebots.
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Jun 17, 2018 12:40
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Chomp didn't land a single hit and spent most of the match on its rear end. There's not a single category in which it beat out Wiyachi other than extreme slowness Chomp did get one hit in, and it disabled the disc, which ends the flipper. I mean, like if you rules argue with the ref during the match that you're technically not holding if let go for one second. It is a bad look. Also for such an unstable looking design Chomp looks like it didn't really take any damage from Warrior at all. Having to power up your disc to power your flipper seems like bad hybridization, wyachi clan's designs are made for an older ruleset. I want to see Minotaur Grognan fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 23:48
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chomp is a silly design anyway, yeah the weapon can do some serious poo poo if it gets a direct hit but it flips over too easily. all it does is try to nab a ~killshot~ early in and then survive the pummeling as it spends 60% of the match on its side
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Jun 18, 2018 00:56
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logikv9 posted:chomp is a silly design anyway, yeah the weapon can do some serious poo poo if it gets a direct hit but it flips over too easily. all it does is try to nab a ~killshot~ early in and then survive the pummeling as it spends 60% of the match on its side why the gently caress is that stupid thing so tall anyway. they should just design it so the axe works while it's sideways.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:03
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Chomp is bad. I don't buy any of the automation poo poo, it rarely hits and is constantly out-driven and the bot spends all its time flipped over because its center of gravity is way too high. I'll give it points for toughness, I don't remember it ever actually being knocked out or even having a single system disabled. If they actually had an automated deathbot that'd be cool though.
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Jun 18, 2018 04:08
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Grand Fromage posted:Chomp is bad. I don't buy any of the automation poo poo, it rarely hits and is constantly out-driven and the bot spends all its time flipped over because its center of gravity is way too high. I'll give it points for toughness, I don't remember it ever actually being knocked out or even having a single system disabled. It's poo poo because it's automated. Idk how the internal computing is run, but they're probably conjoined in some way that slows the whole thing down. Assuming it's the servo for the weapon, the Center of Gravity problem could presumably be resolved by adjusting the arms without reducing the arc on the foreswing. Beta is an example of this. But no. It's definitely automated because humans don't generally drive bots that slowly.
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Jun 18, 2018 05:31
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Is there such a thing as entirely automated robot fighting? One of my friends objects to Battlebots as not robot fighting but radio controlled car fighting.
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Jun 18, 2018 05:44
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Grand Fromage posted:Is there such a thing as entirely automated robot fighting? One of my friends objects to Battlebots as not robot fighting but radio controlled car fighting. japan has you there
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Jun 18, 2018 05:49
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its kinda funny how many bots can't self-right when that is such a glaring weakness. you gotta go all in on your weapon or don't go that far. Has Icewave ever gotten the flip? I just kinda like Chomp because the strikers and flamethrowers never seem to work as well as they could. it looks really loving hard to line up good hits. Which is why she tried to automate it. Seems to need more work. Complete Control was the last rear end in a top hat that tried a pincer bot+flame combo right?
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Jun 18, 2018 07:31
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Grognan posted:its kinda funny how many bots can't self-right when that is such a glaring weakness. you gotta go all in on your weapon or don't go that far. Has Icewave ever gotten the flip? Ghost Raptor tipped it over once. And it's exploded before. https://youtu.be/yOQo-oR0V8g
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Jun 18, 2018 08:37
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logikv9 posted:japan has you there I love how fast and violent those are for small bots and it's amazing that they're programmed to locate and push targets. I enjoy battlebots for big and showy brutal weapon fights despite being radio controlled.
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Jun 18, 2018 09:13
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They should retire Chomp by pitting it against all the big hitter bots at once and let them have at it until there is nothing left bigger than a softball.
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Jun 19, 2018 00:08
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It's too bad that the girlbots suck, but this never called for a gangbang.
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Jun 19, 2018 07:11
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Maybe she could use here automation and engineering skills to make a bot that is actually good? Like a Bronco or Tombstone? Instead of a top heavy bot with a lovely spike hammer that might be effective at denting the other bot if the bot didn't spend the match on it's side?
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Jun 19, 2018 07:18
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Bronco that could automatically sense when the flipper is under the other bot and fire it would be an absolute beast.
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Jun 19, 2018 07:27
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Well, if Battlebots just accepted the most powerful bots, the competition would be made up of 32 minor variations on Tombstone. For the sake of entertainment, they pick bots with a wide variety of weapons, designs, and other gimmicks. If you want to get in to Battlebots, you're probably better off making burgerbot 2.0 than making the best possible bot (Tombstone)
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Jun 19, 2018 07:29
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Just a reminder that in my extremely scientific fantasy battlebots system from 2016, Chomp was the 6th best bot in the competition so it's not all bad. IIRC they had initially had some electromagnet situation designed to keep it from topping over every two seconds, but none of the bots that used electromagnets last season were able to get them to work properly. As for why it's still like that, IDK. Still haven't actually seen a Chomp match from this season because of the weird distribution of episodes available online so I'll probably have more informed commentary then.
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Pakled posted:Well, if Battlebots just accepted the most powerful bots, the competition would be made up of 32 minor variations on Tombstone. For the sake of entertainment, they pick bots with a wide variety of weapons, designs, and other gimmicks. If you want to get in to Battlebots, you're probably better off making burgerbot 2.0 than making the best possible bot (Tombstone) I wonder if Tombstone's design will be dethroned. Having watched this poo poo since the beginning I remember all the different phases of full body spinners, flippers, vertical spinners, hammerbots. Really heavy object spinning horizontally or vertically is the current killer design, I'm not sure what would be better but it's changed enough times that maybe. Tombstone's only obvious flaw is the wheels, but it turns so fast it seems to be real hard to get in there and gently caress them up before it hits you.
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Grand Fromage posted:Tombstone's only obvious flaw is the wheels, but it turns so fast it seems to be real hard to get in there and gently caress them up before it hits you. Still pouring one out for my boy Yeti, who was one centimetre away from shredding Tombstone's wheels before backing off
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Grand Fromage posted:I wonder if Tombstone's design will be dethroned. Having watched this poo poo since the beginning I remember all the different phases of full body spinners, flippers, vertical spinners, hammerbots. Really heavy object spinning horizontally or vertically is the current killer design, I'm not sure what would be better but it's changed enough times that maybe. It seems to me that all spinners have a max amount of hits they can give, before they do enough damage to themselves, either their weapons or their drive train. If Witch Doctor could have taken one more hit (or been able to right itself) it would have beat Tombstone. If bot builders can figure out how to make bots sturdier, or just min max specifically to optimize again horizontal bars, the entire meta changes
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Tombstone has a major weakness the vertical disks don't have and that's stability. Every good hit sends it flying so a decent wedge will beat it every time. Its success is largely due to the fact that battlebots frowns upon wedgebots and they don't get selected. The 220 pound version typically gets wrecked in live events where wedges are more common. Here it is getting bullied hard by a cluster bot, for example: https://youtu.be/eyYgW_jQsAk
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Yea, really the counter for Tombstone is a bot that can take the hits over and over and keep going long enough for Tombstone to break itself. Minotaur had a good chance at that in their first fight, but Tombstone hosed up the battlebox just enough to get Minotaur stuck on the busted up floor.
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Jun 19, 2018 10:46
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You can even see it in King of Bots with some of the Chinese Tombstone-likes where it's clear that the pilot just copied the design without much driving practice and just veers into a wall and self destructs. Spinners are monsters in terms of potential damage, but because of the speed and mass of the weapon, the physics jumps in and hammers the amount of control you have on your bot so you have to compensate somewhere or adjust the positioning of the weapon.
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Great Beer posted:Tombstone has a major weakness the vertical disks don't have and that's stability. Every good hit sends it flying so a decent wedge will beat it every time. Its success is largely due to the fact that battlebots frowns upon wedgebots and they don't get selected. The 220 pound version typically gets wrecked in live events where wedges are more common. There are at least a couple of bots on Battlebots that do have a good chance of beating Tombstone like Free Shipping or Duck since both bots are basically bricks with wheels. And Stinger had it shown up this season.
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Huge seems like it has good odds against a lot of bots since Flippers do nothing to them and a lot of spinners just seem to pass through their wheels as though they were just a suggestion.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:40
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I feel like those wheels won't last too long after a few direct hits from a horizontal spinner
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logikv9 posted:I feel like those wheels won't last too long after a few direct hits from a horizontal spinner And whoever is scheduling the fights clearly gets this.
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logikv9 posted:I feel like those wheels won't last too long after a few direct hits from a horizontal spinner I honestly have no idea. The material they're made of looks extremely ductile so any time something hits it, it bends out of the way and then goes back to its original shape. Maybe the object just needs to be faster to push/pull it into something more damaging. Ostensibly, if a weapon catches between the spokes, it could actually do some major damage, but the only bot it's faced so far that had that capability was Free Shipping. The other thing is that fire is probably effective against those wheels in terms of softening them enough to drop the main body. I think the worst thing for it to face is another vertical bar spinner like Monsoon which would be able to do real damage to the main body or any of the saw bots which could actually eat at the wheels in a more certain manner.
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Too bad nightmare isn't around this season. It might have won a fight since it's pretty much a hard counter to huge.
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Jun 20, 2018 01:52
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Bless Huge
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Great Beer posted:Too bad nightmare isn't around this season. It might have won a fight since it's pretty much a hard counter to huge.
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Xelkelvos posted:The material they're made of looks extremely ductile so any time something hits it, it bends out of the way and then goes back to its original shape. It's made out of UHMW. Cutting boards are the most common household use of it.
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Even if a horizontal spinner couldn't destroy the tires, the force impacted on them, would likely be enough to make Huge fly to the side. At least with a bot powerful like Tombstone. I don't think the little robot wars match would really cut it as a way to see how it would handle it. Robot Wars is so much more tame compared to Battlebots.
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Old robot wars maybe but the modern series bots are just as dangerous as American machines. Carbide and Apex were both easily on par with Tombstone or End Game. Monsoon also competed as Tauron on robot wars (not that it ever worked right) and we've seen what it can do.
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Jun 20, 2018 12:45
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My favorite robot wars bot was the one inexplicably made of wood.
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite robot wars bot was the one inexplicably made of wood. I remember a wooden robot turning up on Robotica once. The farmer guy was so smug about how it would clean up because it could survive sledgehammer hits. Its first actual fight after the obstacle courses was against a bot packing a vertical spinner that resembled a titanium shuriken. Only wood chips remained of it by the end, which is an accomplishment since bots usually got pushed off the platform before taking much damage.
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Great Beer posted:Old robot wars maybe but the modern series bots are just as dangerous as American machines. Carbide and Apex were both easily on par with Tombstone or End Game. Monsoon also competed as Tauron on robot wars (not that it ever worked right) and we've seen what it can do. Sure maybe there is some exceptions, but at the end of the day Robot Wars, even the new series is very tame compared to Battlebots.
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