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Jj’s not bad but he never suffered a day in his life so he has nothing to say.
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AlternateAccount posted:So you're telling me DISNEY of all companies allowed a plan for their most lucrative franchise to be derailed by... whom? for what? against what opposition?? As I said, it's rumors, limited context tweets, and interviews with people who aren't supposed to say much even if they know anything, but here's how it supposedly goes, as best I can tell. 1) JJ has a plan. The amount of fleshed out is probably low, given his track record, but there's a basic outline of what happens in each film, even if it's just "Snoke shows up, it turns out Crix Madine was a Cylon this whole time, Rey finds the secret blend of herbs and spices." 2) Rian Johnson has ideas that the higher ups like that don't fit with the rough existing plan. Early reception is positive and he manages to actually finish a film on budget and ahead of schedule, which given the clusterfucks that have haunted production previously makes him seem like the chosen one. Meanwhile, Colin Trevorrow puts out Book of Henry, so keeping to the plan they sold him on... is not a priority. 3) Disney plans to give him his own trilogy, keep going forward on strong reception of Last Jedi. Having to adjust things a little is fine, because they're guaranteed a fanbase. 4) Last Jedi is less well received than hoped. 5) Solo flops. 6) gently caress. It's important to remember that Disney isn't a monolith. Like a lot of big companies, it's a collection of fiefdoms, and if what I've read is right, they tend to be left to their own devices when they're working. Even if Rogue 1 and The Force Awakens had behind the scenes drama, in the end they produced generally well received movies that sold above expectations. They get a lot of leeway for that. And, let's be honest. Even the scraps that we get say that Lucasfilms has been a loving mess behind the scenes for the past few years. More directors fired than manage to finish films, extensive reshoots, ballooning budgets, whole thing. Assuming that Disney would keep an iron grip on anything in that environment seems... questionable. I mean, Marvel constantly announces changes to their long term. Like how Thanos and Nick Fury first showed up basically on a whim before they became the centerpieces for plans, or how Inhumans stuff got tossed in the dumpster. Plans change.
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Keep in mind TLJ had a weird delay backlash. All the early feedback were good, the critics totally kowtowed to Disney with a 90+ score. And fans didn't realized how much it recon until days later. It was a delicious looking poo poo sandwich. Even Solo had a "record breaking memorial weekend" forecast.
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chiasaur11 posted:2) Rian Johnson has ideas that the higher ups like that don't fit with the rough existing plan. Early reception is positive and he manages to actually finish a film on budget and ahead of schedule, which given the clusterfucks that have haunted production previously makes him seem like the chosen one. Meanwhile, Colin Trevorrow puts out Book of Henry, so keeping to the plan they sold him on... is not a priority. I believe Johnson was announced as being engaged to write the story (though possible not the screenplay) for Episode IX at one stage, but I think that was back before Colin Trevorrow was fired, never mind before Carrie Fisher died. I'm not sure how that was going to work or when that changed.
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Doronin posted:I'm rewatching TFA, and how does the Starkiller Base laser work? From one origin it fires once, and an energy beam can split into 5 perfectly aimed splinter beams? It has a special crystal.
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Jun 19, 2018 10:22
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The Death Star has a bunch of lasers that combine into one laser that can be aimed at individual ships.
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chiasaur11 posted:As I said, it's rumors, limited context tweets, and interviews with people who aren't supposed to say much even if they know anything, but here's how it supposedly goes, as best I can tell. 1> When JJ Abrams comes to you with a loose pile of ideas, you send him back and say no, you need to frame this out better, you have a lovely track record. I want a 20 page treatment of the each of the sequels at a minimum before you get to touch a camera. 2> Johnson's ideas, which I assume were the driving force behind the themes and execution of TLJ, were basically all horrible. It is difficult to believe no one recognized this. Character, plotting, dialogue, all fall absolutely flat. It's all bad enough that it should have been evidently poo poo on the page, and rejected. You hired two dudes who are either extremely poorly equipped to make this sort of film, and/or have a skillset that's going to force them to pull in a direction that doesn't quite work. Sure, I guess BRICK and LOOPER were pretty good, but that doesn't translate to this kind of story, clearly. Neither JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson are good writers, by any stretch. Say what you want about the original trilogy borrowing heavily from prior work or being overly archetypal, the writing was rarely outright lazy like TFA and TLJ's was. The more I think about it the more I think it's just lost. The driving force behind making STAR WARS was Lucas's incredible passion for all of the material he borrowed from, all of which was fantastic in its own right. The driving force behind the poo poo we're getting now is purely financial and empire building.
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To the extent that there's a problem (I liked the movies so I disagree on that point, but whatever) it's that Abrams and Johnson are fans of Star Wars first and fans of the things that went into Star Wars - the things George Lucas was a fan of - second. I think that's what a lot of complaints about the prequels boiled down to, to be honest - Lucas made the movies he wanted to make rather than the movies Star Wars fans wanted him to make.
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Johnson at the very least is getting deep into the "what makes a Star War a Star War" mindset in prep for his trilogy:quote:"I'm looking at everything right now. I'm honestly just in this very nice 'OK, what is this thing going to be?' phase. Really, the only goal I have is to think about how Star Wars made me feel as a kid. And that's it. I'm trying to capture: what is that, if it's not iconography that we recognize, necessarily, from the original trilogy? What captures that spirit? What can be that for a kid who's never heard of Star Wars? It's getting back to the very fundamental questions of what makes this what it is." http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a853821/rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-plans-approach/
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Jun 19, 2018 20:43
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This series is doomed.
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exquisite tea posted:This series is doomed. Good
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Jun 19, 2018 20:58
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When hasn’t it been doomed
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Well, at least the first two were pretty all right.
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Yeah those Ewok movies were decent
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The Holiday Special was peak Star Wars
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exquisite tea posted:This series is doomed. I honestly have no idea because I have almost no notion of Star Wars outside Something Awful. I suppose there must be some.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:18
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Fire JJ. Hire Blomkamp to run the series.
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Bring back George Lucas
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#releasethelucascut
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*thick french accent* All blockbusters are inherently exploitative
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Cross-Section posted:*thick french accent* All blockbusters are inherently exploitative We should hold that Lucas guy to account for helping to invent them.
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KaptainKrunk posted:late-stage capitalist media empire makes...bad movies? worse than bad, it makes forgettable movies
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They'll halt all development by New Year's Eve 2020 after Episode IX flops, which I remain reasonably confident it will, at least inasmuch as it'll underperform TLJ and fail to make a billion dollars.
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IX will do fine unless your expectations are for it to hit TFA money, cause I think they're not getting that lighting in a bottle twice unless they're willing to stop making star wars long enough for people to miss it
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Y'all are forgetting that JJ can cut a mean-rear end trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs IX will do fine.
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Ep IX is going to be marketed to death as THE CONCLUSION or something like that. Even though we all know this franchise is going to get run into the ground. But I imagine the END OF THE SKYWALKERS or however they couch it is going to get people out to see it. Underperform? Maybe. Outright flop? Not sure if possible. Even the really toxic fans will probably buy a ticket just so they can go online afterward and bitch.
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Infinity War 2 will be bigger, obviously. In fact, there are several movies in 2019 which I think will potentially be bigger than Episode IX. Captain Marvel, Toy Story 4, Frozen 2 and Lion King at least. In any event it will be difficult to bounce back from the one-two punch of TLJ disappointing and being divisive and Solo bombing like Sir Arthur Harris.
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I'm actually kinda expecting Infinity War 2 to pull a TLJ; ridiculous opening weekend numbers, relatively-steep drop-off because there's no way they craft a conclusion to that cliffhanger that doesn't piss a bunch of people off. The other films I'm less confident in making hot takes about since their marketing cycles have yet to begin
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On further reflection, I think Lion King is probably going to be the biggest movie of 2019. Then Avengers. Episode IX will probably be in the top five but it probably won't be in the top three. It has too much baggage. Edit: Obviously one outcome will be that Johnson's trilogy has a good chance of getting canned outright, because Lucasfilm and Disney will trace the underperformance of Episode IX back to TLJ. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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do you mean marvel captain marvel or shazam captain marvel prolly the former since no way is a (non-ww) dc movie outperforming a disney movie, dwayne johnson or no
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Yeah the Marvel one.
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I'm not fussed how much the next star wars makes. Regarding princess Leia is there no such thing as a Force Face Swap she can do? like maybe she gets zapped in the face right at the start with some of that force lightning, goes all wrinkly and minging so uses the force to fix herself into, I dunno, Jennifer Lawrence and off we go. I'm no star wars expert, although I do hope to be an X-wing when I grow up, but this seems like as neat and ridiculous a way to handle things as any.
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Leia will be a central character in IX but always be just out of frame from whoever she's talking to. All her dialogue will suspiciously sound like out of context recordings of Carrie Fisher.
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galagazombie posted:Leia will be a central character in IX but always be just out of frame from whoever she's talking to. All her dialogue will suspiciously sound like out of context recordings of Carrie Fisher. In a startling turn of events Disney secures Godfrey Ho to complete Episode IX.
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I’m still sad that Carrie Fisher died
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If they had any balls whatsoever, they’d shoot most of it with POV shots and call it Leia: Messenger of the Force.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:If they had any balls whatsoever, they’d shoot most of it with POV shots and call it Leia: Messenger of the Force. Found footage shot long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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