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Grapplejack posted:So, are you going to date anyone? You've already skipped best girl Kawakami so I'm not sure who you've got left. Haru? Certainly not Futaba, ew. The thread competed on who would be dated and Haru beat out Makoto.
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Barring a last-second appeal for Makoto (read: one of you breaking into my house and Misery-ing me), it looks like we're gonna go for Haru. I'm fine with whatever, honestly. Hifumi or Makoto would have been cool, but I have nothing against Haru.
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SoundwaveAU posted:Nah, Kawakami gets a different scene where you both leave and chill on a couch together. I thought on the couch was a different scene with Kawakami and she has a variant of this scene but maybe I forgot it.
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Funky Valentine posted:He didn't immediately shut down all attempts to explain and then bring us to the police department, so Sojiro is already scoring leaps and bounds above Dojima in Dad Power. Sojiro wins on the sheer strength of being actively involved in his daughter's life. Everything else is beautiful set dressing.
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Yeah, Sojiro has been doing his best for Futaba at every turn of the story. Look back at how relieved he is even if he doesn't understand what's going on when she comes out and starts going out with friends and feeling better.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Dojima leaving his daughter at home alone after getting a threat delivered to that very home will never not be the dumbest thing about Persona 4. A close second would be the Yu trying to explain things in the interrogation room, and not using the goddamn TV that's sitting RIGHT THERE ON THE TABLE to prove that he's telling the truth. I mean seriously, even if you can't enter it all the way, you could at least shove your whole arm in up to the shoulder or something to prove that you're not full of poo poo about this whole "entering TVs" thing. 
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Yeah that whole lead up to Nanako getting snatched is just every person involved acting like a stubborn idiot to make it happen - Yu/Souji not shoving his arm in the TV, Dojima leaving Nanako alone after the threat, hauling his nephew to the station instead of actually sitting down and talking. honestly they could've still have it happen was Dojima and Yu in Yu's room to demonstrate the TV thing, and Nanako get taken when she answers the door before either one of them could run out to stop her. Same event, less stupidity from everyone.
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I've heard it said that whole sequence is part of an early version where Dojima was the killer, but I can't find a source on that and it still doesn't really make sense.
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Arist posted:God I keep cracking up looking at his face here He just wants to sell you on cabages and genocide, no biggie!
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ApplesandOranges posted:Shinjiro is Fake Mom. what the hell is Mitsuru then
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Really Pants posted:what the hell is Mitsuru then The successful older sister you're never going to live up to.
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You can get Ryuji and Mishima cultural festival scenes without having a girlfriend. I did it. I had Ryuji maxed out by this point, so maybe that was it.
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Part 131: 10/27-10/28: Blaaaaackmaaaaail!!!!! Music: Alleycat   ……  We now resume our coverage of the Phantom Thieves, the suspects for Mr. Okumura’s death and others. The police have designated the Phantom Thieves as the country’s most wanted fugitives… And have decided to reward anyone with information leading to the capture of the Phantom Thieves.   Thirty million!? Hold on, I need to make a phone call. And considering the high amount, it shows how extraordinary the situation has become. Reward money will be supplied by the police and the families of the victims, further--  I hope you understand the situation you’re in. Even people who didn’t have an interest before will be on the lookout for the Phantom Thieves. And it’ll happen every day, even at school. ...Why did this happen?  This isn’t about me. Well, how do I put this…? I’m sorry I didn’t realize it. It’s also my responsibility that this happened. All I can do now is give you shelter. Just don’t become desperate and do something reckless, all right?  I won’t sell you out. As long as you’re here, there’s nothing to worry about.  I feel bad about what we’ve done to the chief. I’m responsible too. Music: Desire  Oh goddammit  With this, the Phantom Thieves have become public enemy number one. ……. *chuckle* Exactly. ...That will be when their curtain falls. Why even have these scenes at this point? They’re all the same and we’re not learning anything new. Music: Suspicion   Akechi suggested they go to this school, right?  Oh hey, it’s Pallid Fella again.  It’ll probably be the end of us if we start sniffing around now. But… 30 million yen, man. Just let me dream a little. Music: So Boring   I had braced myself for this possibility…  Actually having a wanted notice out for us feels kinda weird… I’m not sure we’re gonna get away this time.  Our backs are truly against the wall now. Discussing it here won’t do us any good though. Let’s talk about it more in person. Music: Desire   And the reward’s thirty million yen? What is this, a comic book? Haha, it feels so unrealistic, I can’t help but laugh…  We’re finally being treated as actual criminals…  I’m positive now… Remember all of those what-ifs I mentioned before…? All of this was truly set up. How President Okumura ranked first, the fad before that, even Medjed… It was all to make the Phantom Thieves famous. On top of that, we were lured to target Okumura… Yeah… The enemy likely planned to lay the blame on us from the start, after we gained popularity. Then, what about everything we’ve done until now? Are the people whose hearts we changed and thought were corrupt actually not? No. Because of Yusuke and I, the Madarame and Kaneshiro cases were coincidental… Wasn’t that the case with Kamoshida too? Considering what happened with the rankings, only the previous target would have been used to lure us… What a cheap trick to use… Cheap…? It’s nothing of the sort… There’s the fake Medjed and the site’s altercation. They might have even engineered the fad around us. So much time and effort has been put into this… President Okumura probably wasn’t their only target. Perhaps they intend to place all blame of past and future psychotic breakdowns on our group…    And there was that thing with Haru at the time. How’re we s’posed to ignore that, huh!? That’s actually a really solid point, game! We couldn’t very well ignore that and to be honest we had little solid reason to, but let’s keep throwing blame at each other for this poo poo, sure!  ...I’m sorry. This was all because I one-sidedly decided that my father was a criminal. All I could think about was my fiance. If I had only been able to cope with it more calmly… Haru… It’s not Haru’s fault. I should’ve spoken up too when Principal Kobayakawa died…!   Ryuji takes his frustration out on the poor couch. He also catches himself mid-”gently caress.”  Ryuji! Taking out your frustration on things doesn’t help anyone! Hey, what do you think, Maaku? ...Why did we lose? What did we do wrong?  It’s probably because… we weren’t acting like ourselves.  ...Agreed. At the time, we only cared about the opinion of the general public....And saving Haru. Yeah… that really is it. I was… so caught up in making a name for ourselves. I’m such an idiot…! I became a Phantom Thief because I hated those same kinds of adults…!  Oh god, that’s certainly a sentence.  What the hell are you talking about, Haru? This was your first one. You don’t get to talk like that. I’m so irritated with myself…! Makoto…  I know that we’ve been set up, and that I was a complete idiot too. But still… it’s so drat frustrating! Of course I wanna do something about this… Max Mittelman sells the hell out of this scene as Ryuji, for the record. I have some qualms with the way it’s written but it’s some top-notch voice work. Yeah. We’ll be in deep water at this rate… However, we have no idea who we’re up against… and whether they’re an individual or an organization. Furthermore, they must be in a position of power, or have powerful backers, if they can go so far. Are we really a match for this…? Should we… end this now?  I mean, things might get worse for everyone… Hey, what should we do…?  Music: Disquiet   Running away with our tails between our legs is exactly what they want…  Another questionable use of the word “aesthetics” when “ideals” would work fine, but whatever. ...I see.  Absolutely not like this!  Looks like we’re settled on “what” we want to do. All that’s left is “how” we go about it… Yeah… Music: Beneath the Mask   Um… About me yellin’ earlier. Bein’ framed, and the added bounty… It all felt like such bullshit. I lost it… I’m sorry.That’s nice. You gonna apologize to the couch you punched repeatedly?  ...You too? It is confusin’. We’re wanted criminals now… Maybe I haven’t changed at all since that time we went up against Kamoshida… I wanted to be a phantom thief because I thought even someone like me could be a hero… It made me so happy to be depended on. Guess it all went straight to my head. I thought I could do anythin’ if it was for justice. But that’d make me no different from our targets… I called them shitbags, but I must be the shittiest of shitbags. I can’t even joke about it…  Maaku… Heh, you’re right. I can start by changin’ who I am now. Thanks, Maaku. I feel like I can think straight now. Oh… I scared Haru and Futaba, didn’t I… I’ll have to apologize to them soon. Seeya! Music: Suspicion   He wants us to gather at Leblanc tomorrow after school. Who does he think he is, trying to boss us around like that!? Tomorrow…? That’s sudden.  Yeah. We’re going to overcome this, together. Regardless, I don’t want anyone disturbing our pace anymore. Let’s go about this calmly. Well, see you all tomorrow. ...We’ve reached a crucial moment. There’s no point fretting about it now though. Let’s just stay calm and wait for tomorrow.    I wouldn’t have expected anything less from you. I knew making you our leader was the right call.   We consulted a profiling expert for his analysis. He determined that “they’re either in their 20s to 30s, or in their 40s to 50s.” That’s a wide fuckin’ net, and it’s still totally wrong!  They’re so far off the mark… Were they even trying?    Anon: lol this place went to poo poo Anon: Oh how far they’ve fallen Anon: This should make em show up Anon: Is the admin an accomplice?   Only now does the government speak of taking countermeasures… but their actions are too little, too late! The government as it stands has been left behind the times. It is obsolete! If this is a ship that’s bound to a rotting dock and destined to sink, we might as well destroy is once.    I heard they’re splitting up to form a new party, so an election might come before the year’s end.  I’m gonna vote this time for sure! This man has my support. You haven’t voted until now? That’s problematic as a member of society, you know… Politics just never interested me before, but this politician seems pretty amazing. He’s passionate and thinks of the future. I mean, someone like that should be prime minister. I’m definitely voting for him. Well, I suppose that makes sense since the other politicians seem so unreliable… Music: Suspicion   That’s a good question, but might I have a cup of coffee first? It’s not too late to just kill this dude, you guys.  Please keep this short. There’s a bounty for information in addition to the arrest warrant… Those are quite desperate measures. The group goes quiet. I’m referring to Sae-san’s actions. I assume all of you are at your wit’s end as well. She must be considerably vexed if she’s gone that far. Make headlines with the arrest warrant, then use incentives to get testimonies. It’s not a bad method. The police have nothing on us. There’s no way they can make an arrest. True. I’m the only one who’s ascertained your true identities. However, the groundwork for fabricating testimonies and concocting a culprit are underway. We don’t care about that self-gratification. Get on with it. I’ll be blunt. Makoto says nothing. Huh? Really…? Is this to prevent the investigation agency’s recklessness? Precisely. Still, there’s no need to change her heart just for that… Indeed. It’s hard to believe that a single person can fabricate all that. Unfortunately, that’s not the case. What if I told you that those around her would turn a blind eye to false evidence?  The police!? Do a bad!? Noooooooooo! It seems they’re more trusted than I thought. Their priority is settling the situation. They don’t care who the supposed culprit is. No… They’re completely rotten! My objective is to find the true culprit. That must be the case for all of you too. However, the current situation is extremely bad. If worst comes to worst, someone unrelated will be set up as the culprit, huh…? Our only solution to this is to make Sae-san come to her senses. If she’s in her right mind, she can stop this situation. Her sense of justice wouldn’t allow it. So that’s why… The truth will be covered up, and an innocent civilian’s life will be destroyed… I can’t allow such a thing to happen. My own ethics won’t stand for it. I mean, I guess I can understand how you feel. And changing Sae-san’s heart will be to protect her as well. How do you mean? If the true culprit were to learn that she’s responsible for the investigation… what would happen? I’m certain they’ll aim for her life. She’s the perfect target to place blame on the Phantom Thieves. Makoto stares at her lap. So how about it? Will you agree to my plan? Even though you’re particular about being just, you’re willing to get your hands dirty? It can’t be helped in order to ascertain the truth. There is also one more merit in changing Sae-san’s heart.  It will become a warning to not mess with us. They can’t go public if someone in the investigation has a change of heart. It’d show their corruption. All that’s left from there is for me to discover the identity of the true culprit.  What do you mean…? You’re gonna tell us to announce our disbandment once the real culprit is arrested… aren’t you? As expected from a Niijima. So, what do you say? I don’t think it’s a bad deal for either of us. Makoto… what’s your take on all this? ...It’s a well-made plan. ...It even takes putting an end to our team into consideration. I’m flattered to hear that. Why are you willing to do all this, Akechi-kun? Why do you seek justice?  Yes. My contempt for such people drives my sense of justice. It isn’t some grand reason like society’s sake or some lofty ideal. It’s simply an absurd grudge… and extremely personal.How cryptic! Music: Confession/Secret Dude… You know, doesn’t he remind you of us…?  Yeah… like how some disgusting adult pissed him off. We’re similar, hm…? Maybe that’s why I thought that I could ask this of you all… Won’t you cooperate with me on the mission to change Sae-san’s heart?  ...Thanks. I was actually rather worried there. This mission can’t succeed without your cooperation, after all. The Phantom Thieves will be disbanded, and everything will work out… I pray it does. Mako-chan… I’m OK. I never brought it up until now… but the reason I joined the Phantom Thieves is… How fortuitous… and hosed-up! I’ve also known for quite some time that she has a Palace. Why didn’t you tell us? It was too selfish of a reason… Though, I was too scared to look any further into it on my own… Why don’t we try going there now to scope the place out? A lot of this will be new to me, so I’d like to get myself accustomed to it too.   I see. That’s unfortunate. Will you tell your sister about this? Of course not. It’s just… You seem awfully evasive today. Is something the matter? I just can’t make time today. How suspicious! Let’s call it a day then and resume this tomorrow. I’m sorry, everyone.   Well, I guess that can’t be helped… Regardless, it all starts tomorrow. ...I hope this goes well. Music: Interrogation Room  The numbers are slowing down...   Not only that, Goro Akechi…? Then the Phantom Thieves targeted me as per his advice…? And he had already experienced the Metaverse by the time of the Okumura case? That can’t be… I mean, he never said a word… Although, his attitude did change suddenly around that time. Akechi-kun kept quiet about the most important details, and my own sister may be a Phantom Thief… If this is all true, I’m appalled as the commander of this operation. I alone was kept in the dark…  And if you were apprehended while falsely accused of those crimes, that villain would still be loose. That’s why you targeted me…? Not for your own preservation?Well, it was kinda both, you see...  Believe you? I’m just considering it as a possibility. Then again, if you wanted to evade capture, triggering my change of heart wouldn’t guarantee anything. Your actions as Phantom Thieves would still be met with hostility.  If this villain does exist and is setting up your group… ...I would be targeted next. ...Did Makoto come up with that speculation?Nope!  Perhaps I’m overthinking things…  Maaku’s vision gets hazy once more...   You need to keep your focus!  But the look on your face isn’t one of defeat… Why is that…?  ...I’m amazed. It seems you can still talk.  Oh, yeah. To be honest, that was like eighty hours of game and fourteen real-life months ago, so I kinda forgot. Those words normally hint at the existence of a traitor… However, if your story till now is true… one reason can be concluded. It’s frustrating to admit, but at a certain point—no, most likely from the start—I was a mere puppet… ...Someone set up only to bear responsibility later. Someone “intended” your arrest, and the minimal staff directly involved were in their pocket. And if that’s the case, true integrity would side with you…  Sae is slowly starting to accept the truth… I feel like my bond with Sae is growing deeper… No, I’m jumping to conclusions. I don’t believe your story yet. There’s something I need to confirm with you…  What happened in the time between entering my Palace and your arrest? Tell me everything.
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Makoto probably should've disclosed that Sae had a Palace months ago.
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Funky Valentine posted:Makoto probably should've disclosed that Sae had a Palace months ago. Yeah, Makoto is still Best Girl but that's a pretty big thing to fail to mention.
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Trials and oddities of a silent protagonist, number umpteen: you have one canned response out of three of up to four words, but no matter what you pick, you get treated by the story as if you’ve launched into St. Crispins Day or something. Given the weight the story has given to the troubles faced by Makoto, I don’t really blame her for not mentioning her sister’s Palace sooner. Case or no case, Sae is Makoto’s only relative and her feelings of love and admiration are plain; even if I knew things were hopeless, I’d at least try to find another way to deal with the twisted heart, or so I’d like to believe. Hard enough believing someone you love might be evil, much less admit it to your friends!
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resurgam40 posted:Given the weight the story has given to the troubles faced by Makoto, I don’t really blame her for not mentioning her sister’s Palace sooner. Case or no case, Sae is Makoto’s only relative and her feelings of love and admiration are plain; even if I knew things were hopeless, I’d at least try to find another way to deal with the twisted heart, or so I’d like to believe. Hard enough believing someone you love might be evil, much less admit it to your friends! As well, in every case so far, the major targets of the Phantom Thieves have been people who have a palace and who have actually harmed someone -- even if that someone is themselves, as with Futaba. Makoto might know that Sae is becoming emotionally distorted -- and the conversations that they've had are ample evidence -- but so far as Makoto (and everyone else) knows, she hasn't caused anyone any harm, yet.
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Sae seemed lucid enough in the interrogation room to be worried she's got a Palace, plus as far as we know she hasn't been driven to public grand atonement.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Sae seemed lucid enough in the interrogation room to be worried she's got a Palace, plus as far as we know she hasn't been driven to public grand atonement. Yet, I'm still not sure that we're not in her Palace right now.
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Funky Valentine posted:Makoto probably should've disclosed that Sae had a Palace months ago. Tempest_56 posted:Yeah, Makoto is still Best Girl but that's a pretty big thing to fail to mention. Not really. I mean there was no real reason to.
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Sae didn't do anything criminal, right? So was there a need to change her heart anytime prior to now?
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ApplesandOranges posted:Shinjiro is Fake Mom. If we go by attitude, it's Mitsuru.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Sae didn't do anything criminal, right? So was there a need to change her heart anytime prior to now? Correct. For all we know, the only thing Sae did wrong was be a bitch to her sister and Sojiro and at least one of those can be attributed with stress.
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Cyouni posted:Yet, I'm still not sure that we're not in her Palace right now. That makes no sense - why are we in our uniform then? And she was getting bossed around by the guard and her boss earlier - if we were in her Palace, wouldn't she have total control?
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We've seen with Futaba that having a Palace doesn't necessarily mean you'll harm people, so maybe Makoto was just hoping it was a strong desire for Sae to get a promotion or something and it would go away on its own.
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Also hadn't the palace only recently emerged? As in Sae's other self had been chilling in Mementos and only recently enough had changed so that her Mementos self broke free and created an actual palace in each to reside in.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Not really. I mean there was no real reason to. I'd disagree - there's plenty of reason to. Beyond that she's family, Sae IS the one leading the investigation of the Phantom Thieves. Since a Palace means some twisted poo poo's going on, that seems like it's a pretty relevant subject. You don't get a Palace because you're a little eager for a promotion.
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Honestly at this point, it feels like telling this entire story is to keep Sae distracted but also focused. So where's the rest of our crew? Futaba is probably doing the camera stuff since she's H4XX0r elite, and I bet everyone else is in there stealing Sae's treasure (I'm gonna laugh if it's like a picture of Makoto as a baby) and fending off Dr. Evil over there.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:That makes no sense - why are we in our uniform then? And she was getting bossed around by the guard and her boss earlier - if we were in her Palace, wouldn't she have total control? It was established that you only "gear up" when the palace master feels you're a threat. It was shown in Futaba's palace.
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This is 100% speculation (I've only just finished Kaneshiro's palace on my first playthrough), but I'm 90% sure I'm right, so spoilered just in case. Akechi has to be both the traitor and the black-masked Metaverse User, right? He could hear Morganna talking even way back on the TV station trip, which is a huge red flag, he's the only member of the crew who would even have a reason to betray us (presumably all according to the director's plan), and from a metagaming standpoint, his link leveling automatically means we wouldn't lose access to it if, say, we had to beat the poo poo out of the little snitch. My only hesitation is that it seems a little too obvious, like blaming the murders on Namatame.
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DanielCross posted:This is 100% speculation (I've only just finished Kaneshiro's palace on my first playthrough), but I'm 90% sure I'm right, so spoilered just in case. I disagree on one of your points: Easily half the team has reasons to betray us. Haru's father is dead and only has our own word (people who she just met!) that we didn't do it. Right after the last target died, the team's now talking about going after Makoto's sister. She might not be the black-masked user, but there's fair reason for her to want to protect Sae. Morgana just got done being pissed off and leaving - and he's also really vulnerable to a devil's bargain about gaining/regaining human form. Futaba, I could see making a similar choice. She'd probably regret it immediately but if whoever the big bad is offers the right information about her mother? She could make a snap decision and sell Maaku out. I'd say Ryuji, Ann and Yusuke are solidly trustworthy at this point. Though Ryuji still has that bad brain/mouth filter and Yusuke is just that kind of artist weird that makes him tough to figure out.
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Tempest_56 posted:I disagree on one of your points: Who's to say he was REALLY betrayed? If he's being interrogated in Sae's palace, what good would betraying him to Sae's shadow do? It might make more sense that they're playing cops and robbers to get deeper access to the palace(maybe it's not the casino but the police station, which would make more sense for Sae) and Makuu's arrest is kind of a trojan horse so the others can get in, scope it out, and try and get Makuu out before the REAL heist. Also, remember that part of the plan is to use Sae as bait to lure out the assassin, so Makuu could also be there to warn her shadow to put her guard up which might be helpful if they end up fighting the assassin before stealing the treasure.
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RedMagus posted:Honestly at this point, it feels like telling this entire story is to keep Sae distracted but also focused. So where's the rest of our crew? Futaba is probably doing the camera stuff since she's H4XX0r elite, and I bet everyone else is in there stealing Sae's treasure (I'm gonna laugh if it's like a picture of Makoto as a baby) and fending off Dr. Evil over there. Yeah it really does feel like this entire thing is a setup. The main character is taking the fall so everyone else can get stuff done/create an opening of sorts. Meanwhile the main character gets drugged and beat bad enough he needed a little supernatural help to remember he still had a head let alone there was a plan to execute (hence the blue butterfly at the start). Though looking back at the intro knowing what we know now...I wonder how crazy this is gonna go since apparently the metaverse stuff was starting to shift into the real world.
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Tempest_56 posted:I'd disagree - there's plenty of reason to. I don’t think the party knew before she was the one investigating them. She was the one investigating the mental shutdown cases. Besides she only recently got put in charge of the phantom thief part. Her palace was around before that. In other words, there wasn’t any reason for Makoto to reveal that part, till it became important, like now. Edit: The way this whole thing went was: I’m assuming way back then, when Makoto told everyone it was a secret whose heart she wanted to change, Sae already had a palace. She was investigating the mental shutdown cases and that hasn’t changed - she’s now targeting us because Okumura got a mental shutdown. Plus we stole info from her because she was investigating these shutdown cases. So it’s only relevant now that Sae has a palace because we’re getting framed for the mental shutdown cases by someone. Blademaster_Aio fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Arist posted:
I just wanna say I really love that top dialogue choice here.
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