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evil_bunnY posted:Also, pumping is a gigantic pain in the rear end. That's not where the pump is supposed to go.
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MiddleOne posted:That's not where the pump is supposed to go. 
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evil_bunnY posted:You try pushing through your peener a marble so big you need stitches after the fact and come back to us. not necessarily 50%, no, but i can see no serious argument against there being a mandatory quota in principle it being inconvenient does by no means imply that it is not practical and i cannot see how it impacts my argument in any serious way
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i would, in fact, be comfortable with positing that structural discrimination in the labour market is equally if not more inconvenient than the arrangements required to ensure that the child is fed through the mother's employment and i am confident that i have literally the entire feminist movement in the country backing me up here
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V. Illych L. posted:not necessarily 50%, no, but i can see no serious argument against there being a mandatory quota in principle V. Illych L. posted:it being inconvenient does by no means imply that it is not practical and i cannot see how it impacts my argument in any serious way
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that is also a way to arrange it! again, my position is shared by pretty much every group calling itself feminist in norway, which i am confident includes at least a couple of mothers the point is, convenience issues re breastfeeding do not constitute a reasonable argument against some form of mandatory quota, even if one accepts as granted that children must absolutely be breast-fed. pumping, in my argument, is one way people can and do solve this problem - and, as you point out, there are other ways. workplaces should of course be expected to accommodate breastfeeding insofar as it is at all possible
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Nah, you're wrong, come back after you've seen someone breastfeed in an office chair, my girlfriend said it looks super gross once. Case closed.
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Seriously though, if you think breastfeeding is more of a hassle than closing the wage gap/involving fathers in child-rearing is worth you just might be a pretty privileged woman or just have some pretty dumb opinions. I'm sure that poo poo is a hassle, but we should be looking at the bigger picture. Also, if we're bringing lived experiences into this let's have them from the source and not through the goony filter of the spouse? I'm not convinced a lot of these women would argue the former point even if they did complain to their husbands at the time.
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V. Illych L. posted:that is also a way to arrange it! again, my position is shared by pretty much every group calling itself feminist in norway, which i am confident includes at least a couple of mothers As long as the mandatory leave the non birthing parent gets does not cut deep into the sub 12 months age where breastfeeding have the most health impact I'm perfectly fine with a mandatory 1:1 ratio too. Because if it does cut into that ideal breastfeeding age it will just become yet another incentive to stop breastfeeding earlier, because pump time or nursing time is just such a loving hazzle that the ones that can do it just stops instead. It's just that in Sweden that 1:1 ratio could work decently, but in places where the total parental leave is shorter, like the Netherlands or Denmark, the ratio makes no sense from a child health perspective. So what you really should promote is longer parental leave, and couple it with a fixed ratio (appropriate for the total amount of time) for the non birthing parent.
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Lol at posters with obviously no experience of breastfeeding or babies trying to have opinions on something they have no concept of. The variance in how the first year goes for a child is massive and the practicalities is not something that the government should try to regulate, besides the obvious of keeping track of the health and stop abuse. With respect to the mandatory days for the dad, note that not even Sweden has 4 months mandatory months but 3. Another thing is the fact that the number of days the dad took in Sweden have historically slowly increased and it happened well in advance of the second mandatory month for the dad and not the other way around. My point is this: If society works towards gender equality by creating acceptance and opportunities for getting children without having to sacrifice career and money then equality will slowly happen by itself, which history have clearly shown. The belief that specific political decisions can regulate human behaviors is a naive one at best.
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jesus what's with the weird usaklighet going on you'd think arne næss never wrote a thing regulating human behaviour seems to be the literal purpose of laws and regulations, but idk if you're denying the premise of policy as effective as such
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Cardiac posted:The belief that specific political decisions can regulate human behaviors is a naive one at best. Just look at this deluded-rear end bullshit lol.
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What do you think the limits for government regulation should be?
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Rnr posted:What do you think the limits for government regulation should be? 
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for real though if your leading objection to a political argument is 'you have never been personally subject to this policy and so have no say in the matter', you probably ought to re-evaluate your impulses because lol if only the rich were allowed to discuss estates or fortune tax we'd all be right hosed
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Cardiac posted:The belief that specific political decisions can regulate human behaviors is a naive one at best.
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Cardiac posted:Lol at posters with obviously no experience of breastfeeding or babies trying to have opinions on something they have no concept of.
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How about we give each parent a year of child leave, no sharing time?
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Dirk Pitt posted:How about we give each parent a year of child leave, no sharing time?
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Så Listhaug har ikke sagt, ikke en gang antydet, at Oslo bystyre har kastet ut eldre for å få plass til tilreisende rom-folk og alle som påpeker at det er hennes politikk som har ført til dette lyver.
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Alhazred posted:Så Listhaug har ikke sagt, ikke en gang antydet, at Oslo bystyre har kastet ut eldre for å få plass til tilreisende rom-folk og alle som påpeker at det er hennes politikk som har ført til dette lyver. Well, that's hardly surprising. You see, it turns out when you sit down and examine the issue closely and carefully weigh the neutral facts of the matter in a reasonable context, Listhaug is a worthless piece of poo poo.
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Espen Teigen, who's only job is to be on social media doesn't have time to be on social media: https://twitter.com/espenteigen/status/1009032171426807808
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Han er 25 år.
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Sandweed posted:Han er 25 år. Javel?
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Ja, men hvor mange er det i menneske-år?
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Ønsk mig held og lykke. Dansk modultest 3 i aften!
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Stella Mwangi blir ikke dømt for fyllekjøring og:
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noe du behøver å fortelle?
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V. Illych L. posted:noe du behøver å fortelle? 
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Minister for Industry, Business and Financial Affairs, Brian Mikkelsen, is quitting his job to become managing director of the Chamber of Commerce. Yes, no conflict of interest there at all. His position is filled by one of the absolute worst people in Danish politics, Rasmus Jarlov.
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SplitSoul posted:Minister for Industry, Business and Financial Affairs, Brian Mikkelsen, is quitting his job to become managing director of the Chamber of Commerce. Yes, no conflict of interest there at all.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hahahahaha that's some banana republic level poo poo The former Minister of Employment, Jørn Neergaard, was literally the former director of the Confederation of Danish Employers, he wasn't even elected to parliament.
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Leo Ajkic, public enemy no. 1
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 Only the downfall of m was within the margin of error though.
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