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One theory I like is that Frank never actually intended on writing more books and left Daniel and Marty deliberately vague so people would speculate. Then once he was gone the stories would kind of take on a life of their own as people wondered just what he intended them to be. Then Brian came along and went "lol they're fukken robots."
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Done, I've had enough of this planet
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Jun 17, 2018 18:54
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Someone said the best Dune is the one from a dusty old bookshop, these are the ones I have been reading at the moment.  Something I noticed at the end of Dune that I don't recall coming up again was a remark about future threats to the throne possibly coming from a bastard child of Feyd. Not that it needs to come up again or anything, but I did find it interesting that I hadn't thought about it or noticed it in the 10 or so previous times reading the book.
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Yeah, but Paul woulda known about any child between Fenring and Feyd. Considering that the Harkonnen killed his first child in the crib, they would have been foolish to try that angle. I think it was just some contingency plan the BG had in case they had to get rid of Feyd and the Baron (and Paul).
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Yeah good point, the BG are always going on about the genetic codes in their long term breeding program so just another potential cross to breed.
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:Someone said the best Dune is the one from a dusty old bookshop, these are the ones I have been reading at the moment. Those Fremen depictions are pretty great. I'd feel a little better about them if they didn't look like flashy klansmen, but whatever, you can't have everything I guess.
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:Someone said the best Dune is the one from a dusty old bookshop, these are the ones I have been reading at the moment. Oh poo poo, I have the same copy of the first Dune
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Shaddak posted:I'm down with the idea of Marty and Daniel being facedancers. Assuming that's where Frank was going with it, I do wonder about how they were able to contact Duncan. I mean, as others have suggested, maybe they were facedancers that absorbed so many lives they became god-like. I was thinking it may have had something to do with whatever the Tleilaxu had done to this incarnation of Duncan. We still don't what all they crammed into his cells. My guess is that Duncan has whatever base that those face dancers where he is able to access and synthesize his previous ghola memories. These ones have the expanded set that they can absorb other people as well, which probably puts them in a category of being like a more pastoral version of the Borg. They go from place to place, absorbing skills and memories of different people's and species and keeping the most useful parts, which in this universe gives them stupid amounts of psychic powers. Chances are they probably have gone and created their own axolotl tanks and can simply transfer themselves into better and better bodies until they're mentally projecting teleportation nets or whatever the gently caress Duncan was seeing.
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Jun 18, 2018 03:58
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phasmid posted:Yeah, the fact that they show up right at the end was so out of the blue that it turbofucks any analysis of the story. lol I imagine they were facedancers because of the description but it would also resolve why the hell Scytale is left as a character in the book. Unless Frank Herbert just kind of didn't give a gently caress and forgot why he was there, Scytale would likely end up playing some sort of key role, or act as a form of exposition.
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:Someone said the best Dune is the one from a dusty old bookshop, these are the ones I have been reading at the moment. yeah bruce pennington is the man when it comes to 70s sci fi covers. his gene wolfe ones were also boss 
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So if the Face Dancers set up an authoritarian government, would ther followers be face-ists?
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Clipperton posted:yeah bruce pennington is the man when it comes to 70s sci fi covers. his gene wolfe ones were also boss I have the Book of the New Sun series with some covers by that guy or a guy like him, super cool. Golden Age sci-fi covers are the best, sometimes I'll buy old paperbacks just for the badass cover.
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Clipperton posted:yeah bruce pennington is the man when it comes to 70s sci fi covers. his gene wolfe ones were also boss This owns. It reminds me of like Dan Seagrave crossed with Beksinski. Seagrave:  Zdzislaw Beksinski: 
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Testikles posted:I imagine they were facedancers because of the description but it would also resolve why the hell Scytale is left as a character in the book. Unless Frank Herbert just kind of didn't give a gently caress and forgot why he was there, Scytale would likely end up playing some sort of key role, or act as a form of exposition. My take: The BG and BT were opposites. The Bene Gesserit only admitted a few men to their higher ranks (even then, most of them weren't full initiates) and the Tleilaxu reduced women to cybernetic broodmares. So the extremes are represented at one end by the Rabbi's daughter, who holds the lost memories of a destroyed world, and Scytale, the surviving Tleilaxu on the other. He had the "null entropy" capsule that contains the genetic information to seed a new world. Frank Herbert was always talking about the sexes and their peculiarities. I think he put that in there to joke about how we are guided by our masculine/feminine natures. The two characters are there only for that. As for Marty and Daniel, I'm inclined towards Toxic Slurpee's post. They were put in there to leave the ending open to interpretation. No doubt he could have picked up and gone from there, but I stopped reading once his son started writing.
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The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
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rndmnmbr posted:The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.' Noice Edit: Close thread. muscles like this! fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 19, 2018 02:23
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rndmnmbr posted:The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
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rndmnmbr posted:The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
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rndmnmbr posted:The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.' one of my favorite quotes when writing
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rndmnmbr posted:The Dune series teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.' Milky Moor posted:one of my favorite quotes when posting in E/N
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I have a 2nd run copy of dune and incant find kt but if i do, ill post pics for dickwaving
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Do you think FH would have brought Miles Teg back again in the 7th?
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sure why not, according to his 'notes' he was gonna bring back every character from the series for a final showdown like some kind of dunezilla final wars
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seriouslydune wiki posted:Over the course of two decades, the gholas of Stilgar, Wellington Yueh, Liet Kynes, Chani, Jessica Atreides, Paul Atreides, Thufir Hawat, Alia Atreides, and Leto II, were created; as they were led by Duncan Idaho and a ghola of Miles Teg, through the cosmos.
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:sure why not, according to his 'notes' he was gonna bring back every character from the series for a final showdown like some kind of dunezilla final wars An ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, if you will.
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That's all based on what Brian Herbert tells us, so there's no reason to believe it. More likely it was the idea of some shameful hack who writes stuff on that level all the time. Does Brian Herbert know anyone like that???
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phasmid posted:That's all based on what Brian Herbert tells us, so there's no reason to believe it. More likely it was the idea of some shameful hack who writes stuff on that level all the time. Does Brian Herbert know anyone like that??? Yep. His dad.
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I haven't read Dune 7, but I now imagine it to be just Hunger Games with every character in the entire Dune series.
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Communist Walrus posted:Yep. His dad. Kull wahad!
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that's right, its my seventh book in a long running sci fi series, you know what that means *every character comes back to life for a HUGE party*
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Cripes. Glad there was only one Dune book
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gender illusionist posted:Cripes. Glad there was only one Dune book This is still a better statement by far than “I liked the BH/KJA novels”
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Arven posted:I haven't read Dune 7, but I now imagine it to be just Hunger Games with every character in the entire Dune series. ~Thufir Hawat’s hairless poison antidote cat is the last man standing~
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:seriously Uhh. I was about to I was about to comment on how it’s really transparent and dumb how Serena Butler, the woman from the prequel series who sparked the Butlerian Jihad when a robot (not Lord Cybertrex) chucked her baby out a window comes back in the chronologically new books. But then “the Jewish Rabbi” kills a bunch of people? Any reason why....? Liquid Dinosaur fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Uhh. I was about to (((DUNE)))
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phasmid posted:That's all based on what Brian Herbert tells us, so there's no reason to believe it. More likely it was the idea of some shameful hack who writes stuff on that level all the time. Does Brian Herbert know anyone like that??? I thought Scytale revealed that he had a capsule full of all the main characters in Chapterhouse. I mean I don’t think Frank would’ve pulled the trigger on that, but he did toss that chekov’s gun onto the mantle.
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Arven posted:I haven't read Dune 7, but I now imagine it to be just Hunger Games with every character in the entire Dune series.
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