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Why cookie Rocket posted:I thought Scytale revealed that he had a capsule full of all the main characters in Chapterhouse. I mean I don’t think Frank would’ve pulled the trigger on that, but he did toss that chekov’s gun onto the mantle. Yeah, that did happen. I think Frank may have decided to do something with it, but I guarantee it would have been handled far better than Brian's stupid bullshit.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:These Butlerian Jihads are making me thirsty Genuine lol, noice.
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Jun 21, 2018 01:38
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I hate brian herbert so much
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Jun 21, 2018 01:47
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:These Butlerian Jihads are making me thirsty Patrolling Arrakis almost makes me wish for a real Butlerian Jihad
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Serious talk though, from all the sources I've seen, what Herbert actually envisioned w/r/t the Butlerian Jihad is the surveillance state we're living in now.
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Halloween Jack posted:Serious talk though, from all the sources I've seen, what Herbert actually envisioned w/r/t the Butlerian Jihad is the surveillance state we're living in now. Time to do drugs in the desert
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Jun 21, 2018 02:26
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Improbable Lobster posted:Time to do drugs in the desert I'm just gonna wear this full body diaper and hang out
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Halloween Jack posted:Serious talk though, from all the sources I've seen, what Herbert actually envisioned w/r/t the Butlerian Jihad is the surveillance state we're living in now. Partially, but it also feels like an extrapolation of the increasing prevalence and penetration of social media. It wasn't just about machines, but 'machine thinking', which I think Leto 2 says is when people basically began to do things without thinking about it.
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Jun 21, 2018 02:32
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Telling you man, it's about the instrumentality of actions and choices. I mean, if someone decides to do something not for the value of the thing, but they use it as an instrument to further their goals. Full machine thinking is a decision rubric of 100% picking only instrumental actions.
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Jun 21, 2018 02:43
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In that case, it would be remarkably prescient in predicting the ideology of the current Democratic Party. By the by, my specific source is short story Herbert wrote for a California newspaper in the form of a news article. It recounts how people in the 21st century violently rebelled against computerization because it enabled a police surveillance state. So his idea of AI is just more genuinely human than the machine learning algorithms Facebook and Google and everyone else are using.
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Jun 21, 2018 03:01
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Telling you man, it's about the instrumentality of actions and choices. I mean, if someone decides to do something not for the value of the thing, but they use it as an instrument to further their goals. In other words, bureaucracy.
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Jun 21, 2018 04:00
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I wouldn't be surprised if Herbert's "Machine Thinking" was influenced by the popularity of logical positivism and similar perspectives in post-war America. You might enjoy Cordwainer Smith's short story Scanners Live In Vain which tackles some similar philosophical ground.
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Jun 21, 2018 06:17
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mossyfisk posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Herbert's "Machine Thinking" was influenced by the popularity of logical positivism and similar perspectives in post-war America. "Machine Thinking" is a really interesting concept. I've been pondering it on and off since this thread pointed out that it's not necessarily AI but also encompasses human mechanoid-like behavior. The most famous of these, "I was following my orders," is already derided by many.
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Jun 21, 2018 13:37
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Frank in the later books develops a fairly libertarian bent. I think Odrade outright says taxation is theft in Chapterhouse, and Herbert's hate of bureaucrats is pretty well documented in the series
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Testikles posted:Frank in the later books develops a fairly libertarian bent. I think Odrade outright says taxation is theft in Chapterhouse, and Herbert's hate of bureaucrats is pretty well documented in the series it’s part of the reason his good guys usually had to be aristocratic nobles, because they could just set things in motion by force of will, as it were. Of course this form of ruler ship also had its drawbacks which he was pretty careful to illustrate with the Harkonnens. E: also even with Paul’s own empire in the very next book. Herbert devotes quite a bit of text to showing how bogged down the Bene Gesserit are getting in Heretics and, especially, Chapterhouse; talk of Odrade drowning in paperwork and stacks of crystal paper and reel wire or whatever, making decisions from small to large. I wonder if Frank didn’t intend that to go hand in hand with their getting steamrolled by the Honored Matres.
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I had a customer in at work today whose eyebrows stuck out by, like, 4 cm, and all I could think was that he looked like the David Lynch version of Thufir Hawat.
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Jun 22, 2018 03:42
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What do I do guys The yellow sticker means 75% off 
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Jun 23, 2018 17:46
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yes and yes
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Jun 23, 2018 17:50
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:What do I do guys I have the one on the right, my dad bought it originally. I like the design of the no-ship.
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Jun 23, 2018 17:54
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priznat posted:I have the one on the right, my dad bought it originally. I like the design of the no-ship. I have the one where that picture is a small box on a solid yellow background.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I have the one where that picture is a small box on a solid yellow background. I’ve seen those too, I think that was a bundle of the series with all the original artworks in small boxes to match the design of the rest of them, or something like that.
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Jun 23, 2018 17:59
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No-globes? Yes-please! 
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Jun 23, 2018 18:14
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priznat posted:I’ve seen those too, I think that was a bundle of the series with all the original artworks in small boxes to match the design of the rest of them, or something like that. I bought them individually, all the series was like that except the first one. That was in the early 2000’s? I lost all the sequels and three copies of the original (gotta stop lending it out). Time to rebuy ‘em all.
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Jun 23, 2018 18:26
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When Duncan was pissed off that Fish Speakers were making out in their barracks was that showing us that he’s a stodgy conservative relic with a stick up his rear end, or that he’s the only sane man in a world gone mad with tolerating homosexuality? Like I know Herbert was a homophobe, but he also was clearly into his beefy Amazonian stormtroopers who have orgasms from chanting “sianoq” and watching Duncan climb up a cliff.
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Jun 23, 2018 21:20
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Hes constantly shown to be a relic in other ways. Herbert was a homophobe but probably aware the world was leaving his sensibilities behind
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Jun 23, 2018 21:25
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I don't think Leto II (or Paul) were Mary Sue characters. I think they had opinions that were not the author's. Also Leto states that male homosexuals were often a result of misplaced aggression especially in the army, and His Gays Are Different.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:it’s part of the reason his good guys usually had to be aristocratic nobles, because they could just set things in motion by force of will, as it were. Of course this form of ruler ship also had its drawbacks which he was pretty careful to illustrate with the Harkonnens. E: also even with Paul’s own empire in the very next book. I don't know because they explicitly state that the Honored Matres are themselves too encumbered with bureaucrats. Like Dune is masterful but it starts to get clunky past God Emperor
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drat these sexy ladies with their bureaucrats and their Kung-Fu kicks and furry cat-person slaves. Hopefully they didn’t lead Lord Cybertrex back to the Milky Way with their paper trail. Liquid Dinosaur fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Jun 24, 2018 03:41
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hey, watch it! I'm butlerian jihading here!!
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Jun 24, 2018 19:43
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After Teg frees himself from the J-probe and escapes his captors, a friend leads him to safety, stopping briefly for the food that his hyper metabolism so desperately needs: Restaurant owner: eyyy! Mama mia howzabouda nicea piecea pizza eh!?
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Jun 26, 2018 00:22
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That’s a spicey Meat-a-ball!
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Jun 26, 2018 01:57
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Giedi Prime, now called Gabagool
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Jun 26, 2018 12:30
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Feyd: Uncle, how did you manage to break the imperial conditioning of a Suk Doctor? Baron: I made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
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*Hover car with the Harkonnen Flag on the hood flies up* *A fat hairy slob in gaudy clothes, and an orange muscleman slide out* "Dune? Fuggedabowdit!"
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Andune Dice Clay
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Jun 26, 2018 17:25
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What's in the box, bitch?
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Jun 26, 2018 17:30
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You woke up this morning / Got yourself a lasgun.
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Jun 26, 2018 17:38
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eyyyyyyy, I'm walkin' without rhythm here
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Jun 26, 2018 20:06
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Dat spice gotta flow, you get me?
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Tell your friends I'm not greedy. I don't want all the spice. Just enough to wet my beak.
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