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Star Man posted:Play against people who are better than you. I started playing legacy in a store with several people who have won SCG invitationals, several more who have won or made it to the finals of legacy champs (plus a few more top 8s,) and Rich Shay. I went from consistently 1/2ing at best to having a ~70% win rate in the format over a few months. This is the best advice. Ask them what you did wrong. Make notes of close decisions you make and ask what their play was, and more importantly why. You can learn a lot by asking someone what they would have done in a situation. Show them your sideboarding and ask if they think you missed bringing something in, or if you brought something in you shouldn't have. The actual best way to get better is take Surgical Extraction out of your sideboard until you're good enough to know when to bring it in. This will give you several percentage points by itself when you don't bring it in against Bant Spirits or the midrange mirror or some place it has no business ever being in your deck.
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InterrupterJones posted:Forgive me if this was already posted, but... I'm pretty happy to live in Europe, where things like this doesn't happen as much. Still plenty of Shield Sphere below 1€ on cardmarket. Buyouts in the US are the dumbest things.
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Jun 25, 2018 16:54
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Buffis posted:I'm pretty happy to live in Europe, where things like this doesn't happen as much. Commander and other casual formats are much less popular over there, aren't they?
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Jun 25, 2018 16:55
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number one pta fan posted:How do you actually get good at Magic? Play a bunch of games in a competitive setting. FNM's at the spikey store in your area should suffice. Read "Who's the Beatdown?" by Mike Flores....and absolutely nothing else by him. Watch youtube/streams of other players Reid Duke and LSV being 2 of my favorites.....don't watch anything by Saffron Olive if "getting good" is your goal..he's fine as entertainment though. Read a lot of articles about magic. After every game ask yourself, "What were the mistakes I made this game?" If you cannot think of any....you are wrong. Find the best player you can and play against them and ask them to tell you how to improve. Keep abreast of the current metagame and what are the important cards in the format you are playing. Learn how to identify the likely decks you're playing against by the first land your opponent plays. Netdeck like crazy, only altering the sideboard and a few mainboard flex spots as you improve. Play the best deck, and not the deck that beats the best deck. There's more....but that should take you far enough to be a decently mediocre grinder.
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Jun 25, 2018 16:59
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Related to "how do I get better", how many different decks do you all rotate between in a given format? I have serious deck OCD especially in Modern, and since I'm getting out to play maybe once a month I'm spreading my playtime too thin and being mediocre with several different decks when I could be good with one or two. At the same time, some of what you learn when playing one deck can carry over to other decks or is just good experience in general.
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Jun 25, 2018 17:08
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suicidesteve posted:Commander and other casual formats are much less popular over there, aren't they? I don't think so?. Always a ton of people playing commander at my LGS. "Mtgfinance" is probably less popular though.
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Jun 25, 2018 17:09
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InterrupterJones posted:Forgive me if this was already posted, but... It's funny because even if they straight-up printed a vanilla 6/6 for 0 it would still be bad in commander, and this is multiple orders of magnitude worse than that. I mean I get that Arcades is cool and all but who is actually winning games with a deck full of french vanilla beaters in EDH in 2018?
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The Shortest Path posted:It's funny because even if they straight-up printed a vanilla 6/6 for 0 it would still be bad in commander, and this is multiple orders of magnitude worse than that. Well, it's a 0 mana 6/6 cantrip, which is good. Without the card draw from Arcades, you would probably be right. Buffis fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 17:33
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The Shortest Path posted:It's funny because even if they straight-up printed a vanilla 6/6 for 0 it would still be bad in commander, and this is multiple orders of magnitude worse than that. I agree, and I'm sure it's more for the novelty of "wall tribal" than anything. Although all these walls in Bant colors attacking for lethal after dropping a Tetsuko seems pretty fun.
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suicidesteve posted:I started playing legacy in a store with several people who have won SCG invitationals, several more who have won or made it to the finals of legacy champs (plus a few more top 8s,) and Rich Shay. I went from consistently 1/2ing at best to having a ~70% win rate in the format over a few months. This is the best advice. Ask them what you did wrong. Make notes of close decisions you make and ask what their play was, and more importantly why. You can learn a lot by asking someone what they would have done in a situation. Show them your sideboarding and ask if they think you missed bringing something in, or if you brought something in you shouldn't have. Also don't just bring it in against a deck just because you see Snapcaster.
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The Shortest Path posted:It's funny because even if they straight-up printed a vanilla 6/6 for 0 it would still be bad in commander, and this is multiple orders of magnitude worse than that. Who says it’s for EDH?
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TheKingofSprings posted:Who says it’s for EDH? Finally something to dethrone pirate tribal in legacy.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:03
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InterrupterJones posted:Forgive me if this was already posted, but... Trying Arcades in 1v1, walls are distressingly good at alpha strikes. Main issue is that without Arcades I am not doing much.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:03
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ravnica generally has a defender subtheme, maybe arcades will be good in brawl
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Star Man posted:Play against people who are better than you. This really sums it up. Lose a lot, and if you can't identify the reasons why you lost, ask the person who just beat you. Magic is a game of micro-decisions and it's hard at first to really consciously make note of all the ones you could have made differently, but they add up to critical percentages.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:11
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sit on my Facebook posted:This really sums it up. Lose a lot, and if you can't identify the reasons why you lost, ask the person who just beat you. Magic is a game of micro-decisions and it's hard at first to really consciously make note of all the ones you could have made differently, but they add up to critical percentages. "Well for one thing, you had a distressing number of Yu-Gi-Oh cards sleeved up in your 40 cards"
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Jun 25, 2018 18:13
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Kurtofan posted:ravnica generally has a defender subtheme, maybe arcades will be good in brawl Reprint Wall of Denial, Wall of Shards, Wall of Junk, and rear end Formation.
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sit on my Facebook posted:This really sums it up. Lose a lot, and if you can't identify the reasons why you lost, ask the person who just beat you. Magic is a game of micro-decisions and it's hard at first to really consciously make note of all the ones you could have made differently, but they add up to critical percentages.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:21
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STONE COLD 64 posted:what if i keep winning In that case you should quit your day job and become a professional magic player. Women dig it and the money is huge I hear.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Finally something to dethrone pirate tribal in legacy. That and maybe that one Cantripping wall Sliver isn’t terrible anymore??
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The other things that are beneficial to getting good at Magic are having good fundamentals and doing your homework. Learn how to use the stack and really drum in when triggers activate. Try to be mindful of the things your opponent could do that blows you out of the game and do your best to dodge them or bait them out. Research the formats that you're playing in. Learn what's powerful in draft and when it's safe to commit to a deck and when you need to bail out for something else (This is harder to do with a playgroup that's casual because they'll make all kinds of wild decisions and it's harder to read signals). Try to get an idea of what different decks in constructed formats look like and do. You won't be able to handle everything and sometimes a jank rear end brew will get under you, but knowing what's out there and keeping up with the format goes a long way.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Reprint Wall of Denial, Wall of Shards, Wall of Junk, and rear end Formation. Wall of Denial nonbo with Assault Formation
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Jun 25, 2018 18:32
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My favorite wall is still Wall of Hope for how good it was for me against red decks as a kid.
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suicidesteve posted:The actual best way to get better is take Surgical Extraction out of your sideboard until you're good enough to know when to bring it in. This will give you several percentage points by itself when you don't bring it in against Bant Spirits or the midrange mirror or some place it has no business ever being in your deck. The last time I played Modern, I got surgicaled postboard. I was playing Burn.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:37
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Star Man posted:Learn how to use the stack and really drum in when triggers activate. Star Man is Good Advice Man today, because this this this a thousand times. Learn the stack and how priority works. Go read that section of the comprehensive rules right now. Then read it again. It's not intuitive but it is critically important. If you know when you can cast spells it becomes so much easier to figure out when you should cast spells.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:42
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Elyv posted:The last time I played Modern, I got surgicaled postboard. This being somewhat pointless for your opponent to do, because all your spells just read R: Deal 3?
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suicidesteve posted:The actual best way to get better is take Surgical Extraction out of your sideboard until you're good enough to know when to bring it in. This will give you several percentage points by itself when you don't bring it in against Bant Spirits or the midrange mirror or some place it has no business ever being in your deck. Surgical Extraction is a great skill-tester, in the sense that it's super tempting to bring in against a lot of matchups just to try and "get" your opponent. Knowing when to bring in SE and when not to requires knowing your deck, your opponent's deck, how they plan to stop you, how you plan to stop them, and to know in advance what card you're "looking for". The same applies to Cabal Therapy in Legacy.
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Elyv posted:The last time I played Modern, I got surgicaled postboard. I've had an opponent Thoughtseize my Boros Charm, then surgical them paying life, and later inquisition my Lightning Helix, snapcaster and surgical them away. Maybe that card makes people do some really stupid things?
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Devor posted:This being somewhat pointless for your opponent to do, because all your spells just read R: Deal 3? yeah a bunch of redundant spells is a recipe for a worthless surgical even more worthless if it costs you two life against burn, its actively detrimental
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sit on my Facebook posted:Star Man is Good Advice Man today dawww, that beats out, "Yeah, you're fuckable," that some drunk girl said to me once at a bar as the nicest thing that anyone's ever said to me.
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i had an opp surgical me naming rabblemaster when i dont even run that card
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I've never understood running Surgical unless you are a discard-heavy deck or are on Mill. Like what are you trying to hit when boarding in Surgical as GW Company  It's great when you can really nail someone with Surgical but you kind of need a way to get the choice card into your opponent's graveyard that doesn't involve them actually resolving it.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i had an opp surgical me naming rabblemaster when i dont even run that card I don't understand how they could because the card has to be in the graveyard in the first place. C-Euro posted:I've never understood running Surgical unless you are a discard-heavy deck or are on Mill. Like what are you trying to hit when boarding in Surgical as GW Company Combo pieces and cards that recur from the graveyard.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i had an opp surgical me naming rabblemaster when i dont even run that card I guess we amend Steve’s post to “take Surgical Extraction out of your sideboard until you're good enough to know when to bring it in and know how the card fundamentally works”
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Surgical Extraction is a great skill-tester, in the sense that it's super tempting to bring in against a lot of matchups just to try and "get" your opponent. Knowing when to bring in SE and when not to requires knowing your deck, your opponent's deck, how they plan to stop you, how you plan to stop them, and to know in advance what card you're "looking for". Counterpoint: Surgical is extremely easy to play. Bring it in if you can realistically snipe the card that they need to win the game. Is your opponent playing Scapeshift and you can't kill a land or discard a Scapeshift? Don't bring it in. Do you hate the card Spell Queller? Don't bring it in. I don't even like it against legacy dredge, which seems like the most obvious place you'd ever want it. Like it's fine against their bad draws where they're really relying on one dredger but if they have 2 different dredgers what is it even doing? It's a dead card that could be helping kill them instead. The only skill anyone has with Cabal Therapy anymore is always having it + Probe on turn 1 to skillfully win the game. Dehtraen posted:I guess we amend Steve’s post to “take Surgical Extraction out of your sideboard until you're good enough to know when to bring it in and know how the card fundamentally works” I was going to say something about not knowing what your cards do being bad but I played a pauper 2-man at the GP and I didn't know what cards were in my deck and every other draw step was a surprise. Apparently I had a main deck Obsidian Acolyte for some reason??? Other highlights I didn't know were coming: Wall of Hope, TWO Grim Harvests, Kabira Crossroads, Arashin Cleric. What I'm saying is it's not a good deck. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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C-Euro posted:I've never understood running Surgical unless you are a discard-heavy deck or are on Mill. Like what are you trying to hit when boarding in Surgical as GW Company a ghost-quartered valakut or tron land, a conflagrate
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It's been five years since the PTQ I played UR Faeries in and I was sweating bullets over Eggs more than any other deck. To this day, I still don't know what I would have tried to get with Surgical Extraction or what number to set Chalice of the Void on against it and I never went against the deck.
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little munchkin posted:a ghost-quartered valakut or tron land, a conflagrate Counter a second sun so it goes to graveyard then surgical extraction it?
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STONE COLD 64 posted:what if i keep winning become a hearthstone streamer
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