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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people care about Metacritic? Game reviewers don't know what makes games good and are bad at them. The last day I gave a gently caress about critics is when Saints Row 2 got mediocre scores despite being better than GTAIV in every possible way.
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GTA IV owns and has the best driving in the series
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Jun 26, 2018 19:13
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a bone to pick posted:The last day I gave a gently caress about critics is when Saints Row 2 got mediocre scores despite being better than GTAIV in every possible way. 2008 does seem to have been a pivotal year in that regard. I also remember peacing out of reviews at the same time after both Far Cry 2 and Spore got rave reviews when they were in order, extremely broken and over-hyped trash. It was around then that all the review buying shenanigans began to come out in the wash if I remember.
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Jun 26, 2018 19:13
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hawowanlawow posted:GTA IV owns and has the best driving in the series They hated him because he told the truth.
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Jun 26, 2018 19:15
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hawowanlawow posted:GTA IV owns and has the best driving in the series Jesus loving christ
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Jun 26, 2018 19:17
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Jeza posted:2008 does seem to have been a pivotal year in that regard. I also remember peacing out of reviews at the same time after both Far Cry 2 and Spore got rave reviews when they were in order, extremely broken and over-hyped trash. Everyone who gave Spore and SimCity 2013 a good review should he banned from reviewing games forever
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Jun 26, 2018 19:21
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TheScott2K posted:Everyone who gave Spore and SimCity 2013 a good review should he banned from reviewing games forever
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Jun 26, 2018 19:24
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Bholder posted:I think it is a perfect time for my unpopular opinion:
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Jun 26, 2018 20:15
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I didn't like New Vegas as much as internet people did either tbh People say the writing is the shining star of the game but holy poo poo do I not care about anything that's going on. I aligned with the old robot man and killed everyone else. It was like "I guess this is decently fun but also pretty mediocre??". Never saw the greatness in the game and the world itself was a step down from F3 somehow
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Jun 26, 2018 20:19
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Zzulu posted:I didn't like New Vegas as much as internet people did either tbh It's more about the quest design than anything. Fallout 3 has a more fun world to just go out and explore, and if you go into New Vegas hoping to do that then it's probably going to fall flat. Where New Vegas shines is that the quests actually have some depth and reactivity to them, unlike Bethesda's generally linear philosophy. That's what I like about it, anyway. It definitely has some serious problems, especially with how the factions end up being written and the city of New Vegas itself being the most boring part, but IMO the quest design blows anything Bethesda has ever done out of the water and sort of made it impossible for me to enjoy Fallout 4 afterwards. "Just go out and explore and don't think too hard about 'roleplaying' your character" isn't what I really want from Fallout, I guess?
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Jun 26, 2018 20:23
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Deus Ex 2 is nowhere near as good as 1 but it's a fun little shooter/RPG romp with some good writing in spots and is worth a playthrough. Also Bot Domination is a lot of fun.
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Jun 26, 2018 20:43
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olives black posted:Deus Ex 2 is nowhere near as good as 1 but it's a fun little shooter/RPG romp with some good writing in spots and is worth a playthrough. Also Bot Domination is a lot of fun. DX 2 was too ambitious for the Xbox-sized box they had to fit it in. If they'd made the whole thing take place indoors or something instead of telling you this big hallway was "the City of Seattle" it would have been better.
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Jun 26, 2018 20:45
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TheScott2K posted:DX 2 was too ambitious for the Xbox-sized box they had to fit it in. If they'd made the whole thing take place indoors or something instead of telling you this big hallway was "the City of Seattle" it would have been better. The general idea was that the environment was so hosed up from nanites and poo poo that most of the planet was uninhabitable. That's why "the City of Seattle" only appears as a small series of interconnected hallways in a shopping mall - there's gently caress all left that's worth spending time to see.
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Jun 26, 2018 20:51
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olives black posted:The general idea was that the environment was so hosed up from nanites and poo poo that most of the planet was uninhabitable. That's why "the City of Seattle" only appears as a small series of interconnected hallways in a shopping mall - there's gently caress all left that's worth spending time to see. They didn't convey it well. If you can't make a city but can make a series of rooms and hallways with 12 people in it, build your game around rooms and hallways with 12 people in them. Just felt like a huge step back from Hong Kong in the original which, though some pretty clever trickery and insane density, pulled that feat off much more effectively.
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Jun 26, 2018 20:54
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TheScott2K posted:They didn't convey it well. If you can't make a city but can make a series of rooms and hallways with 12 people in it, build your game around rooms and hallways with 12 people in them. you're not wrong initially but they make it pretty fuckin' clear with the upper/lower seattle divide and then immediately following that the entire cairo level where you're explicitly told it's an arcology if you play dx 2 immediately before dx 1 like i did the first time you go through liberty island full of grays and templars and poo poo with four or five loading screens and a ton of invisible walls, immediately followed by going through it again as a single giant level with a bunch of really loving cool areas and it feels like DX2 was made first lol dx2 desperately needs a remake/remaster
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Jun 26, 2018 20:58
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The new God of War is just ok.
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Jun 26, 2018 21:02
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Astrochicken posted:The new God of War is just ok. Hey Man It Was Time For God of War to Grow Up and Here's Why That's a Good Thing
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Jun 26, 2018 21:10
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That bonus in that contract was an incentive by Bethesda for Obsidian to do a good job, the only one who hosed up was Obsidian Here's what Chris Avellone said on it Chris Avellone posted:Kit Walker: So what is the true story behind FNV? I keep hearing how bathesda farked o*sidian with the metacritic score?
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Jun 26, 2018 21:17
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Harrow posted:It's more about the quest design than anything. Fallout 3 has a more fun world to just go out and explore, People keep saying that, but lol, it was just an endless stretch of copy pasted wasteland strewn with copy pasted buildings with copy pasted characters.
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Jun 26, 2018 21:29
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hawowanlawow posted:GTA IV owns and has the best driving in the series I was so disappointed that they changed the driving in 5. Didn't feel the same
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Jun 26, 2018 21:29
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frajaq posted:That bonus in that contract was an incentive by Bethesda for Obsidian to do a good job, the only one who hosed up was Obsidian lol I'm sure he's speaking out his mind and not just choosing his words so as not to burn any bridges.
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Jun 26, 2018 21:31
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disc jam is a thoroughly underrated game and more people need to play it
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Jun 26, 2018 21:32
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steinrokkan posted:lol Is he wrong though? no
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Jun 26, 2018 22:03
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steinrokkan posted:People keep saying that, but lol, it was just an endless stretch of copy pasted wasteland strewn with copy pasted buildings with copy pasted characters. I can assume you didn't speak to a lot of those characters then  Like I said, the world design isn't all that interesting. It's a ring-shaped road with occasional attractions on the side and a very boring city at the northern end. The quests are the interesting part. If you play it like Fallout 3/4, with an intention of just going off in a direction to see interesting things to find and shoot at, it's gonna be a real boring time. What you described sounds a lot more like Skyrim to me than it does New Vegas, honestly
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Jun 26, 2018 22:06
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Harrow posted:I can assume you didn't speak to a lot of those characters then No, I was talking about FO3. I think New Vegas' map is actually a brilliant example of game design. It takes place in a desert, with a limited palette of assets, yet every place is identifiable, there are many landmarks guiding you through, and the ring road actually provides a natural, easy to follow structure for first time players instead of the random criss crossing of the map FO3 expects from the player. In contrast the supposedly more fun to explore FO3 world is just a flat wasteland with randomly distributed "points of interest"-
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Jun 26, 2018 22:11
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steinrokkan posted:No, I was talking about FO3. I think New Vegas' map is actually a brilliant example of game design. It takes place in a desert, with a limited palette of assets, yet every place is identifiable, there are many landmarks guiding you through, and the ring road actually provides a natural, easy to follow structure for first time players instead of the random criss crossing of the map FO3 expects from the player. Ah yeah, fair enough. And honestly it's been a long time since I've played Fallout 3 so I might be remembering it as more interesting than it was. I can say that Fallout 4's map is pretty well designed and has a lot of landmarks that make you go "what's that cool thing over there?" which I might be thinking of when people praise the exploration in FO3 Skyrim is the one that totally lost me, though, after New Vegas. I dunno what I was expecting, I guess, but exploring it was bland as hell and there weren't cool quests to keep me hooked
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Jun 26, 2018 22:12
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steinrokkan posted:lol He's already burnt and exploded his bridges then salted the smoking remnants with Cobalt 60 so no-one can cross them for 10,000 years.
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Jun 26, 2018 22:14
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Harrow posted:Ah yeah, fair enough. And honestly it's been a long time since I've played Fallout 3 so I might be remembering it as more interesting than it was. I can say that Fallout 4's map is pretty well designed and has a lot of landmarks that make you go "what's that cool thing over there?" which I might be thinking of when people praise the exploration in FO3 FO4 has plenty of landmarks... that lose all their appeal when you realize they are all going to be full of generic trash mobs and generic loot.
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steinrokkan posted:FO4 has plenty of landmarks... that lose all their appeal when you realize they are all going to be full of generic trash mobs and generic loot. New Vegas land marks had even less in them.
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Jun 26, 2018 22:41
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Bholder posted:New Vegas land marks had even less in them. 
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Oh no, I clearly remember. Most of the random landmarks you find in are empty houses with a bunch of loot in it and nothing else. The closest thing to environmental story you get is from the name of the place. Most of the areas in NV that are not Quest related are really empty and boring
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Jun 26, 2018 22:51
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steinrokkan posted:FO4 has plenty of landmarks... that lose all their appeal when you realize they are all going to be full of generic trash mobs and generic loot. Yeah, no argument there. I'm just talking about the map itself. Fallout 4 is a mile wide and an inch deep, but at least it has a little more going for it moment-to-moment than Fallout 3. I'm not a fan of either game, really.
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Bholder posted:New Vegas land marks had even less in them. you haven't played it, have you Bholder posted:Oh no, I clearly remember. Most of the random landmarks you find in are empty houses with a bunch of loot in it and nothing else. The closest thing to environmental story you get is from the name of the place. Good thing that all places are quest related, pretty much.
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New Vegas quest design is so much better its crazy. Bethesda dialogue is basically a few exposition options and "say yes like a normal person and "say yes like a jerk" Acting like a jerk in vegas in a similar situation can close the quest, or change the outcome beyond making people hostile versus cooperating with them. Solving qiests dont always have a single possible solution. The only other time ive seen this more than a few token times in a game is witcher 3. Obsidian has a different approach to RPGs than bethesda and i guess its a matter if you like shoddy open worlds with lazy and threadbare quests and storytelling or if you like rpgs where the story and questing has been invested in to the detriment of like everything else.
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gently caress, I kept expecting FO4 to at least have something as simple as that Fiend vault where you can go in without making every single NPC automatically hostile and even have a bit of chit chat with a faction that is normally hostile, but no, that literally doesn't exist, every single being spawned in the world is automatically and irrevocably hostile to the player.
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Let us not talk about choices and consequences in New Vegas because it reminds me of the Ceasar plot and that is some dumb poo poo I would expect from a real Bethesda game... Yet people praise it, and I don't understand...
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Jun 26, 2018 23:04
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According to Metacritic, the best Fallout was Fallout 3.
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Jun 26, 2018 23:06
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Bholder posted:Let us not talk about choices and consequences in New Vegas because it reminds me of the Ceasar plot and that is some dumb poo poo I would expect from a real Bethesda game... What's wrong with Caesar? Yes, he is evil, there isn't supposed to be a moral equivalence of the Legion with the other factions. And his story and that of his faction makes sense
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A lot of Caesar's Legion content was cut, Obsidian admitted they hosed up on that
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steinrokkan posted:gently caress, I kept expecting FO4 to at least have something as simple as that Fiend vault where you can go in without making every single NPC automatically hostile and even have a bit of chit chat with a faction that is normally hostile, but no, that literally doesn't exist, every single being spawned in the world is automatically and irrevocably hostile to the player. I really don't know why I bought Fallout 4. For some reason I thought, maybe Bethesda would try a little bit on their quests and writing this time, maybe, just maybe. I didn't expect it to be like New Vegas, but just better quests than Fallout 3. That isn't what I got. The shooting was better, I guess? I dunno. I hope I've actually learned my lesson this time about buying Bethesda games. I don't begrudge the people who love them, but they're just not for me.
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