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the V stands for Five
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 22:07 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 21:05 |
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One camera for every month before the phone starts bootlooping.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 22:28 |
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Endless Mike posted:Three on the back, one on front, one facing down for junk shots Finally a phone that meets my needs
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 23:38 |
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Thermopyle posted:Ok, so... The point I'm making isn't something simplistic like if they introduce Yet Another Customization Y then Security Vulnerability X will be introduced. Because it's not that type of argument, you feeling like your phone is reliable, secure, and consistent has little bearing on my argument. (I'm assuming you haven't the resources to do a deep audit of the OS and hardware or a study of the population of phones like yours.) (Actually, I'm not sure that audit or study is perfectly relevant either) That's a nice theory and all but it is not the case in reality. In practice, both the Pixel and the Galaxy have their share of bugs, and pretending one is objectively superior to the other "because it must be, guaranteed" is ridiculous. While modifying code always has the possibility of introducing new bugs, it also presents the opportunity to fix bugs and add improvements, it is not an obligatory net negative the way you present it. You feeling that my phone isn't secure, reliable, and consistent doesn't change the fact that it is, and the insane notion that all mentions of Samsung should be accompanied by dire warnings is downright laughable. As said before, if you really value security, reliability, and consistency you go for an iPhone. The differences between a Samsung and Google flagship are negligible in either direction.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 01:29 |
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vyst posted:Finally a phone that meets my needs So the V40 will have a Super Macro mode?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 02:10 |
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EdEddnEddy posted:Not a OnePlus and well, it is an LG, but I have heard multiple reviews talk about the vibration on the V30(+) being amazing and something everyone wishes was on the P2XL (that and the V30's screen as well but welp.) If I'm not mistaken, the V30's screen is the exact same tech as the V30's, considering LG is the only other manufacturer of 18:9 OLED displays; it's the polarizer that causes the blue tint and not the panel itself. Also the vibration on the Pixel 2 XL (and I assume the smaller 2) is the best I've used on Android. Still nowhere near what Apple uses, but a lot better than the S7/8/Note series, G6, etc.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 02:38 |
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grack posted:So the V40 will have a Super Macro mode?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 02:43 |
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bull3964 posted:It's being reported that the LG V40 will have 5 cameras because if course it will. nice of them to just go on ahead and include replacements in the retail packaging this time
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 02:44 |
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Desk Lamp posted:That's a nice theory and all but it is not the case in reality. In practice, both the Pixel and the Galaxy have their share of bugs, and pretending one is objectively superior to the other "because it must be, guaranteed" is ridiculous. While modifying code always has the possibility of introducing new bugs, it also presents the opportunity to fix bugs and add improvements, it is not an obligatory net negative the way you present it. Given the practices and culture I've read about from people inside Samsung, the types of software bugs and vulnerabilities we've seen in production by Samsung, and the general quality of Samsung software in general, it's not a stretch to condemn them on those terms alone. Of course though I'd agree with your last paragraph entirely as well. While I'd guess that all of the bugs and vulns present on a Pixel are also on a given Galaxy S and that the inverse is probably not true, the fact remains that neither are particularly secure compared to the iPhone and if any of us cared, we'd use one of those. And since none of us do care, it does seem silly to talk about which one of the turds tastes the best.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 02:52 |
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Desk Lamp posted:That's a nice theory and all but it is not the case in reality. In practice, both the Pixel and the Galaxy have their share of bugs, and pretending one is objectively superior to the other "because it must be, guaranteed" is ridiculous. While modifying code always has the possibility of introducing new bugs, it also presents the opportunity to fix bugs and add improvements, it is not an obligatory net negative the way you present it. The very point was that both the Pixel and the Galaxy absolutely must have bugs. It's even completely possible for the Pixel to have more bugs than the S9. That's not really relevant to what I said. And again, my point was not that your phone isn't secure, reliable, and consistent. Any single instance of modifying existing code by a secondary organization that created that code can increase the quality of said code. Again, not in conflict with my post. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make a subtle point. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jun 27, 2018 |
# ? Jun 27, 2018 03:54 |
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Google has Project Zero, a group of folks that have found a ton of really significant exploits. Google was battling state-sponsored actors in 2013 before it was in. They encrypted their entire internal network and have been the ones pushing against the concept of "everything behind the firewall is secure." Samsung has... something, I'm sure.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 04:07 |
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Sure but https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ quote:When asked, the biggest technology and communications companies—from Verizon and AT&T to Google, Facebook, and Microsoft—say that they never deliberately and proactively offer up their vast databases on their customers to federal security and law enforcement agencies: They say that they only respond to subpoenas or requests that are filed properly under the terms of the Patriot Act.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 04:16 |
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Now you're talking about privacy and not security. They are different. They were talking about security bugs that allow unauthorized access. You are talking about Google giving authorized access to government agencies. Problematic, yes. Something I deeply disagree with, yes. But not relevant to the discussion.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 04:29 |
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elmer chud posted:Sure but Surveillance of this nature is unpreventable if you want to use a phone and not really germane to the discussion which is about device-level vulnerabilities. Network-level surveillance is obviously completely unavoidable but if the data miners like Google and Facebook turning over what they have to the government is something with which you're uncomfortable, you should be using Apple and avoiding the cloud. That's sort of the tradeoff, you're trading privacy for convenience, and that breach of privacy extends out to the government. It sucks but it's where we are. Internet Explorer posted:Google has Project Zero, a group of folks that have found a ton of really significant exploits. P0 is great, obviously, but I feel like as good as Tavis is, he's not going to find every vulnerability in Android and of course every one he does find benefits Samsung every bit as much as it does Google.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 04:31 |
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LastInLine posted:P0 is great, obviously, but I feel like as good as Tavis is, he's not going to find every vulnerability in Android and of course every one he does find benefits Samsung every bit as much as it does Google. Sure. But does Samsung have a Project Zero for it's software? No. That's the whole point. They're adding poo poo on that isn't being vetted to the same degree.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 04:33 |
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Internet Explorer posted:Sure. But does Samsung have a Project Zero for it's software? No. That's the whole point. They're adding poo poo on that isn't being vetted to the same degree. I'm sure they have a QC department (while I'm not making any claims to its efficacy) but P0 isn't really a QC department for Google either as they devote a lot of time to software not internally developed by Google as well as internal software. It's definitely cool that they have an independent and somewhat adversarial group like that but Google's scale and scope is such that such a group is possible. I wouldn't expect anyone outside of maybe Microsoft or Amazon to be able to undertake such a wide ranging product (and honestly both companies lack the hubris of Google to attempt to police all software for the good of the world). From what I understand of Samsung's culture, their QC is likely fairly standard in that it's fully devoted to minimizing exposure to embarrassment and liability. They're kind of known for only caring about what's thought of in Korea and have a strong tendency toward reinventing wheels so they can claim to be wheel inventors so you can see how it would lead to their particular areas of blindness and incompetence but I wouldn't say they're necessarily worse than anyone else in the smartphone market except to say that they attempt to do more so they screw up more. What Desk Lamp said is true in this regard, they've pushed for things Google was slow about because they were required in the market they were selling. Whether or not Knox worked right, it was definitely something that Android had to have in order to enter the BYOD space and Google simply waited too long to introduce it. If Samsung screwed up in its implementation (which they did) it was still necessary to do and while it's a few vulns they added to Android, it's not like LG or Sony was doing any of this necessary work so I have a tough time making GBS threads on Samsung when someone needed to get off their asses and do it. Man that was a lot of words, sorry.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 05:03 |
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LastInLine posted:While I'd guess that all of the bugs and vulns present on a Pixel are also on a given Galaxy S and that the inverse is probably not true, the fact remains that neither are particularly secure compared to the iPhone and if any of us cared, we'd use one of those. And since none of us do care, it does seem silly to talk about which one of the turds tastes the best. Thermopyle posted:The very point was that both the Pixel and the Galaxy absolutely must have bugs. It's even completely possible for the Pixel to have more bugs than the S9. That's not really relevant to what I said. Thermopyle posted:Like, I agree that Samsung has some nice additions to Android. Thermopyle posted:...one of the key things leading to increased bug counts is when you involve other developers not part of the organizations practices for managing software complexity. Plugins, extensions, additional layers, hooks...all of these ways to add functionality by other developers are guaranteed to introduce new bugs... Thermopyle posted:Reliability, security, and consistency come from minimizing bugs. We come back to your original point, of people needing to be warned about the terrible cost in "reliability, security, and consistency" they pay when choosing a Samsung device, despite the fact that the real world has not shown that to be the case. Could we wake up tomorrow to news of some massive exploit that only affects Galaxy phones? Sure we could, it could happen with any phone. But should we assume that it's a law of nature that this will be the inevitable result? That the net ratio of improvements vs bugs will always be a negative? We have no evidence that says that this would be the case. Parting from the premise that you've made a costly compromise by buying one of the best smartphones available leads to flawed discourse, and is how we end up defending our purchase rather than discussing phones and sharing our enthusiasm for Android, flaws and all. After all, we all readily admit that Apple already has a far superior solution, but we all stick with Android regardless. To borrow from LastInLine, we're arguing about which turd tastes best when they're simply different shades of brown.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 05:56 |
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Why does lenovo insist on shipping their mid-low tier phones without nfc? in 2018?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 07:34 |
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I still have no real idea what's so important about the absolute best in phone security. I've just never had a problem with it. Never had ads, never had accounts hacked. I've used a bunch of cafe WiFi or whatever, it all seems fine. Even i f my bank deetz did get stolen you only have to contact your bank and they refund. Backup your photos etc, doesnt matter if adware means you have to wipe the thing. This Samsung hacking meltdown Pixel fans she worried about just doesn't seem to be happening so far as I can tell. Last time I checked googles phones were premium priced for the camera alone from my perspective. And I still don't have an objective idea of why that's so amazing because no ones really interested in providing that and its mostly/all processing anyway. The most off putting thing is just how repetitively vehement Google fans are about chanting pixels praises.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 07:50 |
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incoherent posted:Why does lenovo insist on shipping their mid-low tier phones without nfc? in 2018?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 07:53 |
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Don't buy a Lenovo of any tier.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 08:03 |
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 12:48 |
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Incessant Excess posted:Don't buy a Lenovo of any tier. is the Moto G6 no good?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:10 |
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I miss the days of the thread coming together to poo poo on OnePlus
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:29 |
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It's aggressively mediocre. It's Fine for the money but you're better off buying one of the new Nokias or a Huawei Mate SE.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:30 |
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https://twitter.com/OnLeaks/status/1011928326922014720 Introducing the The Merkinman fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jun 27, 2018 |
# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:44 |
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FistEnergy posted:It's aggressively mediocre. It's Fine for the money but you're better off buying one of the new Nokias or a Huawei Mate SE. And what if you're on Verizon?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:46 |
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Doctor Butts posted:And what if you're on Verizon? oops yeah I always forget them. I just assume everyone is on GSM because why wouldn't you be uhhh I guess get a Moto, I dunno
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:47 |
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Why do the Pixel phones always look a year behind?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:51 |
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Incessant Excess posted:Why do the Pixel phones always look a year behind? Their rear-facing cameras are VERY powerful.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 13:53 |
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With the smaller bezels and more screen real estate, I may actually go back to the normal Pixel 3 this year.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 14:00 |
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Yeah, I feel better about keeping my interim g5+ for a year longer than originally planned. However: Where is my loving Oreo update, Lenovo?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 14:24 |
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bull3964 posted:With the smaller bezels and more screen real estate, I may actually go back to the normal Pixel 3 this year.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 15:02 |
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o__o
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 15:15 |
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Sooooo, I wonder what the Pixel 3 XL will bring, besides the notch no one asked for, the wireless charging they shouldn't have dropped to begin with, and the dual selfie camera for gently caress knows what (hope this doesn't become a trend, woe all the bokeh selfies).
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:13 |
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Normal Pixel 3 is definitely on my radar
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:16 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:the dual selfie camera for gently caress knows what (hope this doesn't become a trend, woe all the bokeh selfies).
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:19 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Sooooo, I wonder what the Pixel 3 XL will bring, besides the notch no one asked for, the wireless charging they shouldn't have dropped to begin with, and the dual selfie camera for gently caress knows what (hope this doesn't become a trend, woe all the bokeh selfies). Supposedly they're doing something different with the display on the Pixel 3 XL and the smaller Pixel 3 will probably just roll with the same one from last year or the P2XL's screen or something. Isn't LG providing the screen for both devices this year?
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:25 |
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There's honestly little reason to update to ANY of the current flagships if you already have a flagship of at least 2016 vintage. We are in diminishing returns territory. ThermoPhysical posted:Supposedly they're doing something different with the display on the Pixel 3 XL and the smaller Pixel 3 will probably just roll with the same one from last year or the P2XL's screen or something. The normal Pixel 3 is quoted at 18:9 5.5" which makes it a display we haven't seen before on any device (P2 XL is 6"). The same can be said for the P3 XL (6.2"). LG is likely the manufacturer of both screens this year as they seem to be doing a custom solution for Google. (Especially given the collaboration on the VR display.) These screens should also come out of a newer gen plant than the ones from the P2 XL. This is likely a very similar situation that Apple and Samsung had. Google went to LG with a spec to build to. Neither phone appears to be using off the shelf panels. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 27, 2018 |
# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:34 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 21:05 |
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bull3964 posted:There's honestly little reason to update to ANY of the current flagships if you already have a flagship if at least 2016 vintage. I'm going for the Pixel 3 XL maybe...if the Pixel 3 isn't to my liking with the size. I'm back to using the Nexus 6 but I missed the size when I had the smaller Pixel 2. Also didn't Apple and Google both throw money at LG to make better panels so that their respective flagships weren't stuck with mediocre to awful displays at launch? I remember reading that somewhere.
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# ? Jun 27, 2018 16:42 |