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YoshiOfYellow posted:I don't particularly think that "this fight requires you to use cheese tactics that abuse faults in game mechanics" is a logical argument that a fight is fairly designed and balanced. It's a good thing I said the opposite then. Did you actually read my posts?
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Weigraf is totally beatable without needing any sort of cheesy strategy at all. People jump to suggest abusing Ramza's stat boosts, but you shouldn't need to unless you're under-leveled/jobbed/equipped. And it's not like Ramza's not had to 1-1 a swordskill unit before. Riovanes 3 is way meaner.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:12
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I remember when that fight happens with the rest of your party behind a wall I had a black chocobo so Ramza just flew away and came back with his army
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Jun 27, 2018 19:15
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My first time playing FFT, I didn't get any outside help. I didn't realize you could open the gate during the duel with Gafgarion. And I didn't notice Ramza's Squire had extra abilities/equip options compared to a normal Squire. My Monk Ramza kicked rear end regardless. Anyway, I think people make too big of a deal about "cheesy" strategies or "abusing" game mechanics. It's a game, play to win.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:23
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I wish chocobo riding was better than it is is FFT.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:32
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Gologle posted:I wish chocobo riding was better than it is is FFT.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:39
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Elephant Ambush posted:It's a good thing I said the opposite then. Did you actually read my posts? Admittedly I was only half awake and on the toilet when I posted so probably not.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:09
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To be fair you shouldn’t be reading any posts in the Final Fantasy thread to begin with.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:29
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gigglefeimer posted:My first time playing FFT, I didn't get any outside help. I didn't realize you could open the gate during the duel with Gafgarion. And I didn't notice Ramza's Squire had extra abilities/equip options compared to a normal Squire. My Monk Ramza kicked rear end regardless. Ironically I think minmaxing people have more trouble with the assassins because they're less likely to have weak people already.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:34
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Remember that at some point in Ivalice's history some fundamental aspect of reality changes so that when people die they turn into crystals. Know what other game has people turn into crystals? FFXIII. Mind. BLOWN.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:55
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The only good games set in Ivalice are Vagrant Story and FF14 Every other game set there is a broken, unfinished/not thought-through mess of half cool ideas cause Matsuno was always the lesser Nomura.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:56
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And Nomura's sins are all forgiven for producing TWEWY, the greatest video game ever created and perhaps the mediums only true work of art.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:58
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The only good games set in Ivalice are Vagrant Story and FF14 Nah
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Jun 27, 2018 21:03
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Matsuno was always the lesser Nomura.
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Jun 27, 2018 21:05
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Their favorite game is Dirge of Cerberus, can't be helped
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It's possible to do Riovanes Rooftop without a walkthrough, but if you don't have an intimate understanding of AI targeting priority, you really are placing your fate in the hands of the RNG in a fight where all the enemies are not only regular physical tanks but also dodge tanks, and to make matters worse two of them have an instant kill attack with a 100% hit rate and no charge time. There's no way that you can say that it's well designed. Like now that I understand everything about the mission, yeah I can say in retrospect "oh it's easy you can do it in one move!!!!!" but I don't because I'm not that kind of rear end in a top hat and I remember how frustrating it can be if you don't know absolutely everything about the battle system. Panic! at Nabisco posted:This is a SPICY take considering Nomura is able to finish precisely nothing and is, by all accounts, kind of a godawful director. He's a designer! Admittedly I have little love for Matsuno. I think his strength is in setting and contrivance, rather than in character pieces, but he keeps making games centered around your small party when they rarely get individual character development and your plucky heroes are almost never involved in interesting events. The world is spinning around them and the plot happens to everyone except for your party until the very end of the game; you spend most of his games trying not to get shanked by nameless ghosts in a bog. This is why I think his best work was Ogre Battle on the SNES. There are next to no characters to speak of, and interesting things happen to your party because your party is the entire rebel army and individual dramas are irrelevant, so his whole overarching plot and historical drama thing gets to shine in its entirety. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Tae posted:Their favorite game is Dirge of Cerberus, can't be helped It can be helped by playing a different game, hell any game.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:This is a SPICY take considering Nomura is able to finish precisely nothing and is, by all accounts, kind of a godawful director. He's a designer! Kingdom Hearts alone puts him ahead of Matsuno. Both in Quantity and quality.
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Jun 27, 2018 21:16
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corn in the bible posted:Ironically I think minmaxing people have more trouble with the assassins because they're less likely to have weak people already. Nah, people in the know have parties full of glass cannons because it's easier to steamroll through battles in FFT with overwhelming offense.
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The White Dragon posted:It's possible to do Riovanes Rooftop without a walkthrough, but if you don't have an intimate understanding of AI targeting priority, you really are placing your fate in the hands of the RNG in a fight where all the enemies are not only regular physical tanks but also dodge tanks, and to make matters worse two of them have an instant kill attack with a 100% hit rate and no charge time. There's no way that you can say that it's well designed.
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You kids want to help Square-Enix decide their future and beg for Chrono Break while you're at it? Square-Enix's Player Survey: https://square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/help-us-shape-the-future-of-square-enix
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Jun 28, 2018 00:08
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y'all mad about having to reset and try different strategies on a map when some event surprises you should never play fire emblem
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hot take: if they don't have a concept compelling enough to justify a third Chrono game, it's better to let the series meet its dignified end than agitating for it to get the Tierkreis treatment
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Mister Olympus posted:y'all mad about having to reset and try different strategies on a map when some event surprises you should never play fire emblem i dont understand why in some of those games...on hard mode , on maps where enemies are 'reinforced' by enemy units just spawning on top of forts, why they dont give you the message that that's gonna happen the turn before. just cause i'm playing on hard doesnt mean i don't want to know that!! also i didn't realize you could ride a chocobo in fft for like ten years!!!
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Mister Olympus posted:y'all mad about having to reset and try different strategies on a map when some event surprises you should never play fire emblem Similarly, I'm pretty sure people that complain about the rooftop fight never played Tactics Ogre. God that game was infuriating with making you save suicidal NPCs that would get slaughtered before you could get anywhere near them.
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Reiterpallasch posted:hot take: if they don't have a concept compelling enough to justify a third Chrono game, it's better to let the series meet its dignified end than agitating for it to get the Tierkreis treatment They're 1 game too late for "dignified" mate.
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Sunning posted:You kids want to help Square-Enix decide their future and beg for Chrono Break while you're at it?  Classifying Kingdom Hearts this way amuses me. E: Interesting that FFT gets a spot on "which games have you played". Must be on their mind. AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Similarly, I'm pretty sure people that complain about the rooftop fight never played Tactics Ogre. God that game was infuriating with making you save suicidal NPCs that would get slaughtered before you could get anywhere near them. The existence of other bad levels in games does not make a bad level not-bad.
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Jun 28, 2018 00:31
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nuclear take: chrono cross was good
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Reiterpallasch posted:nuclear take: chrono cross was good gently caress the world
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Bruceski posted:The existence of other bad levels in games does not make a bad level not-bad. The point I was originally making is that part of difficulty in strategy games--and honestly, in any game that wants to be difficult (dark souls?)--is pulling surprises on players that force them to adapt, and if necessary, reset. It applies especially to strategy games because that's the entire point of the game in the first place; you come in, realize gradually over a few attempts which moves should happen when and where, then you've cleared it.
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Mister Olympus posted:The point I was originally making is that part of difficulty in strategy games--and honestly, in any game that wants to be difficult (dark souls?)--is pulling surprises on players that force them to adapt, and if necessary, reset. yeah if the maps are such that you are able to just adapt on the fly with no prep, generally you're also able to totally steamroll the map with zero opposition once you have any idea what you're doing
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The White Dragon posted:gently caress the world They're right though.
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Reiterpallasch posted:nuclear take: chrono cross was good I did not hate it. I also did not finish it. Did kind of love the bit where the main guy gets swapped with the feline villain and then has to fight his former teammates.
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Jun 28, 2018 00:46
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radical dreamers is the best one
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YoshiOfYellow posted:They're right though. gently caress the world is literally what chrono cross says at the end of the game but perhaps not quite so succinctly the whole spiel about how the planet is the egg and you are the spermatozoa etc etc
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Jun 28, 2018 00:48
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Reiterpallasch posted:nuclear take: chrono cross was good I thought nuclear takes were supposed to be controversial?
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Mister Olympus posted:The point I was originally making is that part of difficulty in strategy games--and honestly, in any game that wants to be difficult (dark souls?)--is pulling surprises on players that force them to adapt, and if necessary, reset.
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Eventually all dreams will return to Zurvan... to the sea of dreams...
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