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Could we send this guy to hunt down terrorists and assassinate warlords? Because he seems completely up to the task.
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By popular demand posted:Could we send this guy to hunt down terrorists and assassinate warlords? Because he seems completely up to the task. That man has nothing on MSG Mike Vining  Actual badass SOF dudes look a little underwhelming after years of action heroes.
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Jun 27, 2018 14:25
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I always figured actual special forces would lean more towards the "can run in full gear all day and still shoot straight" endurance side of things and less towards the "ton of muscles but starts getting gassed after ten minutes".
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Jun 27, 2018 14:47
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Jabor posted:I always figured actual special forces would lean more towards the "can run in full gear all day and still shoot straight" endurance side of things and less towards the "ton of muscles but starts getting gassed after ten minutes". I think its less about morphology and more about capacity for dealing with misery.
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Jun 27, 2018 14:49
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By popular demand posted:Could we send this guy to hunt down terrorists and assassinate warlords? Because he seems completely up to the task. Looks like he's an ex-SWAT/Marine https://www.instagram.com/realworld_tactical/ Kennel has a new favorite as of 14:57 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Jun 27, 2018 14:55
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DandyLion posted:I think its less about morphology and more about capacity for dealing with misery. Or being a total psycho 
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Jun 27, 2018 15:02
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Aramoro posted:Or being a total psycho quote:Lieutenant General Sir Adrian Paul Ghislain Carton de Wiart[1] VC, KBE, CB, CMG, DSO (5 May 1880 – 5 June 1963) was a British Army officer born of Belgian and Irish parents. He was awarded the Victoria Cross, the highest military decoration awarded for valour "in the face of the enemy" in various Commonwealth countries.[2] He served in the Boer War, First World War, and Second World War. He was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip, and ear; survived two plane crashes; tunnelled out of a prisoner-of-war camp; and tore off his own fingers when a doctor refused to amputate them. Describing his experiences in the First World War, he wrote, "Frankly I had enjoyed the war."[3]:89 Checks out 
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Jun 27, 2018 15:18
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bitterandtwisted posted:Checks out He got shot in the face in on 3 separate occasions, he just loved wars and didn't understand why people would want peace when war was so much fun.
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Jun 27, 2018 15:25
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That man has nothing on MSG Mike Vining OK, so I looked the guy up, and he certainly had a badass career. He's legit. But "looks a little underwhelming" is a bit of an understatement. I'm sure it's been said before, and we're all thinking it: The movie of this guy's life would have to star Rick Moranis.
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Jun 27, 2018 15:46
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Vining is a true "quiet professional."  There was a long standing joke/meme that he was nicknamed "The Accountant."
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Jun 27, 2018 15:53
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That man has nothing on MSG Mike Vining The Green Berets and Delta are the thinking mans SF Seals are basically the Dallas Cowboys, very physically impressive, but all divas and (war) criminals
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Jun 27, 2018 16:10
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Plus I always kinda figured being built like a brick shithouse just means your that much bigger of a target, and bullets don't care how many muscles you have....
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Jun 27, 2018 16:11
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DandyLion posted:Plus I always kinda figured being built like a brick shithouse just means your that much bigger of a target, and bullets don't care how many muscles you have.... On the contrary 
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Jun 27, 2018 16:17
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All the infantry dudes I knew who were Rangers were skinny as gently caress, but could walk for days with tons of gear on their back, like characters out of "The Long Walk"
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Jun 27, 2018 16:20
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My buddy is a green beret and he's about 5'10" maybe 170lbs. He's fit but not muscleman fit. He's really good at sitting in one spot for hours on end and then kicking in some poor fucker's door before he riflebutts them, zip ties their hands, and drags them to the helicopter.
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Jun 27, 2018 16:58
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Android Apocalypse posted:Vining is a true "quiet professional." I look at this picture and immediately hear this in my head.
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Jun 27, 2018 17:07
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Beastie posted:He's really good at sitting in one spot for hours on end and then kicking in some poor fucker's door before he riflebutts them, zip ties their hands, and drags them to the helicopter. Jesus his poor kids, and I thought carpool pickup sucked when I was little..
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Jun 27, 2018 17:10
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ElGroucho posted:The Green Berets and Delta are the thinking mans SF Speaking from an experience from a non-US army, the people assigned to special forces are usually durable, fast to react and intelligent, not so much weightlifters or bodyguard-type. (I only made it to the nerd battalion and went home lieutenant.)
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Jun 27, 2018 17:36
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Der Kyhe posted:Speaking from an experience from a non-US army, the people assigned to special forces are usually durable, fast to react and intelligent, not so much weightlifters or bodyguard-type. I believe one of the issues with the SEALS (besides their really awful culture and hero worship that encourages stuff like mutilating bodies) is that they're actually intended to be used for specialist missions requiring unique skill sets, but their kinda false reputation as the most badass soldiers in the world causes them to get sent on regular frontline combat operations as if it's a video game where you send the guys with the highest stats on all your missions. What actually happens is a ton of SEALS get killed performing operations that regular Army and Marine units could have probably done.
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Jun 27, 2018 17:44
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chitoryu12 posted:I believe one of the issues with the SEALS (besides their really awful culture and hero worship that encourages stuff like mutilating bodies) is that they're actually intended to be used for specialist missions requiring unique skill sets, but their kinda false reputation as the most badass soldiers in the world causes them to get sent on regular frontline combat operations as if it's a video game where you send the guys with the highest stats on all your missions. What actually happens is a ton of SEALS get killed performing operations that regular Army and Marine units could have probably done. "In war if you need to act badass you are doing it wrong." Also in the more tune-worthy "if you need to act cool your are a loving tool", in more "kool kids don't do drugs"-type of sense. But yeah, its probably part of the peer pressure to keep up appearances, and part of politically influenced superiors not actually understanding or caring why special forces exist, and why infantry/marine combat groups exist. I really cannot comment on the foreign deployments because our armed forces do not do that, but I can understand the publicity difference between "a combat unit 655 from the 17th division of army resolved this" against "THE loving SEAL TEAM resolved this". But still, personally I think it is a stupid way to expend expensive people, even if they volunteer for the mission.
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Jun 27, 2018 18:24
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Der Kyhe posted:"In war if you need to act badass you are doing it wrong." Also in the more tune-worthy "if you need to act cool your are a loving tool", in more "kool kids don't do drugs"-type of sense. Like one example is in 2011, they sent in the SEALs as reinforcements for some Army Rangers trying to take out a Taliban leader. Their Chinook got shot down and 17 SEALs (plus all the other people aboard) died on the way. SEALs were doing regular missions alongside Afghan Army forces and whole platoons of SEALs were being stationed in Afghanistan.
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Jun 27, 2018 18:51
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Jabor posted:I always figured actual special forces would lean more towards the "can run in full gear all day and still shoot straight" endurance side of things and less towards the "ton of muscles but starts getting gassed after ten minutes". I think that may be Tony Sentmanat, from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iZGWsqfwEg He talks in there about how he trains guys for special forces, and that they need to be strong so they can carry another soldier in full gear (of their own bodyweight) out of danger if needed. Basically, soldier big so can carry other soldier Also this dude has tons of endurance, don't let the big arms fool ya. e: Maybe a dif guy hard to tell from the gif
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Jun 27, 2018 19:13
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chitoryu12 posted:Like one example is in 2011, they sent in the SEALs as reinforcements for some Army Rangers trying to take out a Taliban leader. Their Chinook got shot down and 17 SEALs (plus all the other people aboard) died on the way. SEALs were doing regular missions alongside Afghan Army forces and whole platoons of SEALs were being stationed in Afghanistan. Well that's just loving stupid. 17+ infantrymen are statistics, a full spec-ops team is an actual loss. With four panels and such. Going back to my original post, now that I think of it, most of the guys who at the boot camp were "going to go to the loving special forces or peace corps" actually didn't. (Here the UN Peace Corps are the only way to actually get deployed abroad.) They became AT, combat engineers or general infantry, while some of the quieter intelligent ones just disappeared from the recruit battalion after some sniper/radio specialist/etc tests. I actually got my position after some more inclined people declined, and I am making a civilian career in the academics at roughly the same area.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:13
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black.lion posted:I think that may be Tony Sentmanat, from this video: But that's just... wrong. You operate so far out of the evacuation area that you only attack the targets of opportunity that are actually sensible with minimal losses, and if someone gets hit, there are always 3-4 persons to share the load. Also, if the person is badly injured you just drop the gear besides the personal bodyarmor and gun; the country can survive the loss of tactical gear and back-bag.
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Hey man I'm just repeating the guy! The only military operations I've ever been on involved kb+m Y'all should watch that video, the part where he talks about why he trains this way is in the beginning, I'd be interested to see what y'all that have knowledge about this stuff think; it's possible that I'm conveying or remembering what he said wrong. OR MAYBE HE'S A FRAUD e: quote:He owns and operates Real World Tactical, which is a training center devoted to giving clients the real-world knowledge and training that they need in order to effectively take care of themselves and others. Okay he trains civilians to feel like Special Forces, quite different black.lion has a new favorite as of 19:23 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Jun 27, 2018 19:19
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black.lion posted:Hey man I'm just repeating the guy! The only military operations I've ever been on involved kb+m There is also the possibility of the different military doctrines; US guys might "just carry the guy to the helicopter drop-off" but our army would more likely make a fake body with the extra gear which had to be left behind, and booby-trap that to stall the enemy. Put some spring-loaded pipe bombs to the area for flavor, if we have time. We got poo poo for copters and medivac, and we mostly try to make the enemy run circles with the sniper fire and surprise interceptions.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:28
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He's a Marine and I know "No Man Left Behind" is a thing, so maybe that's why he always wants to be able to carry 240 lbs. of dead weight at a jog
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Jun 27, 2018 19:30
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Der Kyhe posted:But that's just... wrong. You operate so far out of the evacuation area that you only attack the targets of opportunity that are actually sensible with minimal losses, and if someone gets hit, there are always 3-4 persons to share the load. The military will canvass an area miles wide with helicopters and dozens or hundreds of soldiers endlessly just to find a single dropped pistol or pair of night vision goggles for fear of enemies or civilians getting them. Leaving behind gear except in absolute emergencies is frowned upon, to put it mildly.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:33
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chitoryu12 posted:The military will canvass an area miles wide with helicopters and dozens or hundreds of soldiers endlessly just to find a single dropped pistol or pair of night vision goggles for fear of enemies or civilians getting them. Leaving behind gear except in absolute emergencies is frowned upon, to put it mildly. No Just no https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/04/billions-in-equipment-supplies-being-left-behind-in-afghanistan.amp.html
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Jun 27, 2018 19:35
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black.lion posted:"No Man Left Behind" Its a nice principle if you have the tools to back that up. We try to also maintain that but our principle knows that the last kill shot you take might be a close and personal one. Or you can surrender to the Russian army.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:37
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Honestly, a lot of the old school SF guys in met were very cool, and like cool grandpas that were always razzing, joking with guys, flirting with women, and just instantly the coolest dude in the room.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:37
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Bombadilillo posted:No The article says that all of the stuff "left behind" is either being sold/donated to other nations or destroyed. It's not like they're just leaving motor pools and full ammo crates out in the desert like a family sneaking out of their house when the rent's due.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:38
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chitoryu12 posted:The military will canvass an area miles wide with helicopters and dozens or hundreds of soldiers endlessly just to find a single dropped pistol or pair of night vision goggles for fear of enemies or civilians getting them. Leaving behind gear except in absolute emergencies is frowned upon, to put it mildly. Nope, we do not have that. Strap a granade into it, and leave it behind, if neccessary. But only, if neccessary.
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chitoryu12 posted:The article says that all of the stuff "left behind" is either being sold/donated to other nations or destroyed. It's not like they're just leaving motor pools and full ammo crates out in the desert like a family sneaking out of their house when the rent's due. "Donated"
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chitoryu12 posted:The article says that all of the stuff "left behind" is either being sold/donated to other nations or destroyed. It's not like they're just leaving motor pools and full ammo crates out in the desert like a family sneaking out of their house when the rent's due. I'd also like to point out that the American doctrine isn't the only one that exists. You can leave poo poo behind. Actually, give it a pair of observers and see how the artillery/missiles/air force just kicked the gently caress out of the enemy patrol going to the fake depot. EDIT: Exchanging one broken truck and empty containers to a 4-10 guy recon team is a fair exchange. EDITEDIT: Because not every army can salvage everything everywhere
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That man has nothing on MSG Mike Vining So... all that time Alf was a documentary?!? Talk about hiding in plain sight. Too bad the other branch of the government got hold of the alien despite being constantly protected by Vining 
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The hollywood version of all Navy Seals showing up is, "Thank God! The SEALs are here  !"The reality is, "Goddamn it, who invited these loving assholes"
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:SEALs are dumb Yeah, it's pretty dumb to let someone like Heidi Klum slip through your fingers
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