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not a cult posted:"phil greaves" is the most depressing possible answer to the question "is there extraterrestrial intelligent life in the universe?" At least it makes our Draconian overlords seem less threatening
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it sucks that my brain now associates that good-rear end lenin picture with phil
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/status/1012279558014369792 yeah he is. leninistic distrust of democracy is unwarranted and unproductive without an explicit, irreconcilable fault that can be readily demonstrated to anyone suggesting participation in the system to be insurmountable. just pointing to a leftist going to the polling booths and yelling "heä's not a real socialist!!" is dumb as hell. although i'm sure it's incredibly saltf-satisfactory
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self satisfactory is the game here and i know it’s been a couple months but him and red kahina falling out is still loving hilarious, what completely insane people i mean i obviously have a problem too that i know what any of this online marxist soap opera is but how can i look away from it, i slow down and turn my head when i pass a car accident too
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not a cult posted:"phil greaves" is the most depressing possible answer to the question "is there extraterrestrial intelligent life in the universe?" 
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lollontee posted:yeah he is. leninistic distrust of democracy is unwarranted and unproductive without an explicit, irreconcilable fault that can be readily demonstrated to anyone suggesting participation in the system to be insurmountable. just pointing to a leftist going to the polling booths and yelling "heä's not a real socialist!!" is dumb as hell. although i'm sure it's incredibly saltf-satisfactory No, he's not wrong. Yandat posted:he’s right from the perspective of an alien observer but that’s useless as far as dealing with actual conditions and meeting people where they are at This is also why China is communist.
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Jun 28, 2018 14:23
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if people wanna criticize the DSA and ocasio-cortez there's definitely some principled arguments to be made both for and against her campaign. if people want to argue that standing in elections is wrong in and of itself then I'd guess they are not really marxists
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those two tweets of his are the most wrong you can be on the matter:
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Jun 28, 2018 14:42
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theres a subset of people who claim to be marxist lenninist or maoist who imagine themselves as following in like the bolsheviks footsteps, but in practice theyre politics end up being a lot more like anarchists than any marxist
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Jun 28, 2018 14:44
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her inevitable failure, either by way of the democratic party machinery or the machinery of the amerikkkan government, will only radicalize discontented people further. they'll seek other avenues just like they've already sought better candidates than bernie
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Jun 28, 2018 15:04
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the future is communists vs fascists. is like a bad sequel to a movie with a lovely ending where they just re-use the same plot
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Jun 28, 2018 15:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:No, he's not wrong. and god drat it, that's what matters!!!
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Jun 28, 2018 15:09
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if you wanna own the dsa for some reason just read getfiscal instead of the humorless irritating guy
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Karl Barks posted:and god drat it, that's what matters!!! Not being wrong is all right.
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Zas posted:if you wanna own the dsa for some reason just read getfiscal instead of the humorless irritating guy Phil Greaves is funny in the same way CHUDs are. He's physically incapable of containing his impotent rage.
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not a cult posted:"phil greaves" is the most depressing possible answer to the question "is there extraterrestrial intelligent life in the universe?" We made contact with extraterrestrials in the 60s, but cut off communication in the 70s because they were loving unbearable.
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Goon Danton posted:We made contact with extraterrestrials in the 60s, but cut off communication in the 70s because they were loving unbearable. Turns out moving upwards along the Kardashev Scale turns your society into a civilization of unbearable posters You've reached post scarcity, all your needs are taking care of, what else are you gonna do but post all day?
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Jun 28, 2018 16:36
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C-SPAM... C-SPAM is the future
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Jun 28, 2018 16:51
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https://twitter.com/alsoconnor/status/1012360831797944320 Solidarity to the anti-revisionist comrades at MSNBC.
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GunnerJ posted:https://twitter.com/alsoconnor/status/1012360831797944320 what the Hell could this take possibly be
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here's the clip lol https://mobile.twitter.com/alsoconnor/status/1012368469226995712
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an actual dog posted:here's the clip lol lol
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Dreddout posted:Turns out moving upwards along the Kardashev Scale turns your society into a civilization of unbearable posters in a post scarcity society there is still a scarcity... of posts
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The only power source capable of fueling FTL travel is hot takes.
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Jun 28, 2018 18:38
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Sergg posted:I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general because I have patients who die when they lose their Obamacare coverage or can't get it. it's not like hillary was going to do much to help them keep it, obamacare put all the power in the hands of the private health insurance companies
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(bordigishly) tankies and demsocs are both the left-wing of capital  but hell, if electing "socialists" to government doesn't help matters, it could at least raise consciousness and then spur revolutionary action much like the socialist betrayal amidst world war i did
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apropos to nothing posted:if people wanna criticize the DSA and ocasio-cortez there's definitely some principled arguments to be made both for and against her campaign. if people want to argue that standing in elections is wrong in and of itself then I'd guess they are not really marxists The real issue for many of us who are currently abstaining from organizing around elections is that we do not think it is currently practical in our place and in our time (which may not be in some particular district in NYC or wherever). It's putting the cart way before the horse. I know I get written off as 'ultraleft', which is weird, but it's probably weirder to run tenant union organizing efforts into the ground in favor of elections that are ultimately lost by a huge margin, after 6 months of diverted labor. If 10% of the eligible population votes in a primary, I don't think that's actually where people are at -- which I agree is where we should be meeting them! I think DSA is overall indicative of something cool even if I don't really like the organization as a whole. I know this a comedy forum but this discussion plays out like this IRL too often. Especially dismissing criticism of an overwhelming focus on elections as ultraleft. Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress also claim her. I'm less familiar with Justice Democrats (what a name) but Brand New Congress seems to be straight up a strategy to just replace democrats with better democrats. I think it will work out better this time than recent history, but that doesn't mean it's successful. Unless you like left-liberal democrats I guess. Basically echoing homex' opinion on Cortez.
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elections are all youve got to work with, the revolution is not coming
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She identifies as a member of DSA, whoever else can claim her if they want. And yeah there will be no revolution. Americans like the taste of  too much.
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Wheeee posted:elections are all youve got to work with, the revolution is not coming Karl, I thought you died in 1938?
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Wheeee posted:elections are all youve got to work with, the revolution is not coming ding dgin ding! we've got a winner!
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Kudaros posted:The real issue for many of us who are currently abstaining from organizing around elections is that we do not think it is currently practical in our place and in our time (which may not be in some particular district in NYC or wherever). It's putting the cart way before the horse. I know I get written off as 'ultraleft', which is weird, but it's probably weirder to run tenant union organizing efforts into the ground in favor of elections that are ultimately lost by a huge margin, after 6 months of diverted labor. If 10% of the eligible population votes in a primary, I don't think that's actually where people are at -- which I agree is where we should be meeting them! making the case that socialists arent ready for elections in terms of organization is also a valid argument, even if I dont necessarily agree. unfortunately most "ultraleft" people I interact with act instead like its a sacrosanct rule that socialists should never take part in elections. discussions and arguments about when/how/where/etc. socialists should run candidates are all perfectly valid, arguments about if socialists should ever run candidates are not
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if you can't tell people how exactly the revolution is going to happen in like a couple yerars or something ridiculous, people are going to continue being interested in the tools they've actually been presented with to work with
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Wheeee posted:elections are all youve got to work with, the revolution is not coming the fact that were not currently in a revolutionary period means that its even more important to be building the organization of revolutionary movements right now. the revolution leaves no time to build the party and if its not in place then revolutionary moments will pass or fail. being a revolutionary and running candidates in elections are not mutually exclusive. if you think socialism can be achieved through electoral means though, then youve failed to learn the lessons of the second international and the failures of social democracy.
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rudatron posted:It would be a blatant violation of traditional jurisprudence and a constitutional crisis, which means packingthe court after the fact world be politically viable, in a way it wasn't before. abolish the senate and supreme court and burn the constitution imo
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GalacticAcid posted:the constitution is a complete piece of poo poo can't you change it
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