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I was like oh neat! https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/06/27/amd-threadripper-32-core-processor-price-leak-shock-low-cost-will-worry-intel/ I followed the links and it is to himself then to wccftech so it's like ok what is this guys job?
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Reclines Obesily posted:second AIO’s for gpus, grab the nzxt converter thingy and bolt one on The sucky thing about NZXT is their software, if I had known about that CAM crap beforehand I would have bought a Corsair or something.
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Paul MaudDib posted:An actual half-kilo of copper being attached to a GPU managing to match a 140mm AIO at equilibrium isn't that impressive.
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Noctua says their new singletower NH-U12 will perform like the NH-D15, it is due to be released later this year. They updated it with two of their new fans and added surface area by making fin stack thicker/longer because the fans can handle more flow resistance.
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Outside of the high end of enthusiast processors and overclocking server grade stuff, whether you have air or an AIO won't matter as long as you get something that cools well. The processors are going to hit their limit at the same point provided you have an adequate cooler, and whether it's running at 83c or 60c doesn't matter unless you're expecting huge spikes in ambient temperature. And even then, my i7 3770k maxed out at 78c-82c before delid in 20c ambient and was still stable at up to 48c ambient. I have a 1070 that doesn't go 30c above ambient on its stock non-blower cooling. It won't go above 56c or so on stock cooling even overvolted at a normal room temperature provided I use an aggressive fan curve. My 3770k would have sucked on anything because the TIM was so bad. After delidding, it's not thermals holding me back. I'm just not willing to throw potentially damaging voltage at ancient processor that I've abused endlessly. Quality air coolers and the water cooling solutions that cost about the same perform almost identically in terms of noise and thermals. Sometimes, it even favors the air cooler. AIOs take up less functional space in the case and people like how they look. Air coolers are a big hunk of metal with some fans attached. If you have an i7 or lower or current gen ryzen stuff, that's about the only difference between them besides "perception". If you want to venture into more expensive than air territory, water cooling can have a higher price cap, and at those higher prices you will get quieter setups with a lower aesthetic number Khorne fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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Jun 28, 2018 12:47
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LRADIKAL posted:I was like oh neat! I realize the name used to be semi-respectable but at some point forbes.com turned themselves into a publishing platform and now you can ready literally random garbage on the site and you should pay it no more mind than reddit
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Der8auer hints at an upcoming soldered Intel CPU:quote:It sounds like there's a lot you're not excited about in the high-end CPU space right now. Let's talk about what you do think is interesting and new right now.
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I suspect it's going to be a TIM similar to liquid metal instead of solder, he mentioned that Intel was experimenting with such a compound in one of his older videos, just like he mentioned 8C Coffee Lake during the 8700K launch last year. Maybe they found the long term performance to be good enough and figured out a way to package it so it doesn't spill during transport (i.e. by applying some sort of gasket material around right the die).
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eames posted:I suspect it's going to be a TIM similar to liquid metal instead of solder, he mentioned that Intel was experimenting with such a compound in one of his older videos, just like he mentioned 8C Coffee Lake during the 8700K launch last year. They could also go with bare die+shim+spacer/support for the massive overclocker crowd.
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Maybe relevant, who knows https://twitter.com/FPiednoel/status/1012378979158773760
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redeyes posted:All in one coolers are sucky? Reasons? The one thing AIOs have going for them is that they're easier to install, otherwise they're more expensive, they introduce pump noise besides the fan noise, and a failure can be way more catastrophic than with air coolers. The Scythe mugen 5 is under 50 euros and can keep up with way more expensive AIOs, it's my go to recommendation for anyone who doesn't want to spend Noctua money 
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I'm going to put together a custom water loop and none of you can stop me!
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Are these AIO's using glycol as "water", or is it seriously tubes of distilled water in there?
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Dadbod Apocalypse posted:I'm going to put together a custom water loop and none of you can stop me!  BangersInMyKnickers posted:Are these AIO's using glycol as "water" Yes
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i think intel is code naming products by just opening the dictionary to a random page. prepare ur fuckin rear end for BEAN CANYON https://wccftech.com/intel-8th-gen-coffee-lake-u-iris-plus-bean-canyon-nucs-revealed/
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Cygni posted:i think intel is code naming products by just opening the dictionary to a random page. prepare ur fuckin rear end for BEAN CANYON After eating Mexican food my rear end is bean canyon 
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It's interesting to see such a long lineup of just Iris Plus models. I wonder if this is at customer request or part of some Intel-driven push to get the NUC in more graphics-intensive roles.
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More like BIN CANYON amirite?
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Second gen phi doesn’t count as an accelerator, but they killed the third gen phi anyway. Paul MaudDib posted:Tell ya what though, if I can get some surplus Phis for video encoding I'd be all over that. 64C of AVX512 would tear x265 the gently caress up. you’d end up like the dude in this thread who picked up one of the first gen at $200 for to port his scientific software to takes too much time to tune, nvidia already got to the annoying to write for market segment on lock
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The beauty of the socketed Phis is you don't need to port software, it's just a CPU with a shitload of cores and AVX. x264/x265 should just run.
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Encoders AVX512 paths might not work on Phi since those paths were designed for Skylake-X, and Phi (Knights Landing/Mill) doesn't fully support the AVX512 subsets that Skylake-X supports. https://twitter.com/InstLatX64/status/969560033922035713?s=19
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Paul MaudDib posted:The beauty of the socketed Phis is you don't need to port software, it's just a CPU with a shitload of cores and AVX. x264/x265 should just run. that was Intel’s big lie. It’ll run, it won’t run well. Turns out getting enough memory bandwidth for seventy cores is hard and the mcdram performance is funky. But sure throw two hundred threads on there and it might be a decent encoder.
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Eletriarnation posted:It's interesting to see such a long lineup of just Iris Plus models. I wonder if this is at customer request or part of some Intel-driven push to get the NUC in more graphics-intensive roles. I wonder if it's a reaction to AMD launching the Ryzen Embedded line since they have the same graphics as the consumer Ryzen APUs (which completely blow Intel HD Graphics out of the water). I can easily imagine industrial/commercial vendors choosing Ryzen Embedded solution over an Intel NUC for the superior graphics performance (e.g. for medical devices or digital signage).
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PCjr sidecar posted:that was Intel’s big lie. It’ll run, it won’t run well.  I evaluated this for some low-end MPI bioinformatics work, and learned that throwing the existing MPI-friendly code into the Intel compiler didn't give very good performance. The next version of the software came out with support for OpenCL/CUDA so it wasn't worth pursuing it any further for us.
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But wasn't it cool being able to SSH into it?
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PCjr sidecar posted:that was Intel’s big lie. It’ll run, it won’t run well. Again though, I literally only care about video encoding, so if it does that at say 5-10x the performance of a 5820K that would be worth like $500 to me, no sweat. Not having good AVX512 support in the encoder would be a downer, but it should still have AVX2, right? And maybe the instructions they are using happen to coincide with that sweet spot? Again, even if it was only a 5-10x speedup that wouldn't be bad, if the price was right. Or, if you can trivially recompile it for the proper support, that would be fine too. If there's hand-coded assembler, that might be a maybe if you could just ctrl-v the appropriate sections from the AVX2 version, or just fall back to those versions. The standalone PCIe cards are a hard no though. WhyteRyce posted:But wasn't it cool being able to SSH into it? Can you still do this on KNL? I thought that was a Larrabee thing, but of course Phi is a descendent of Larrabee so... Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 2, 2018 |
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What would AVX512 do practically in the video encoder? Didn't x264 specifically avoid AVX for a long while?
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Combat Pretzel posted:What would AVX512 do practically in the video encoder? Didn't x264 specifically avoid AVX for a long while? x264 avoided AVX1 because that's almost exclusively floating point instructions that are useless for encoding, but AVX2 added integer counterparts and they absolutely use those. https://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/x264-devel/attachments/20130423/ffd6bfb6/attachment-0001.pdf
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References to several 9th gen Core SKUs were found in the new microcode update. Nothing exciting though, they're still hex-cores just with slightly higher clocks than 8th gen.
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repiv posted:References to several 9th gen Core SKUs were found in the new microcode update. Nothing exciting though, they're still hex-cores just with slightly higher clocks than 8th gen. No 9000 series i7s on that list though, so I guess there are our 8 cores. Still gonna be interesting to see what frequencies and TDPs are like on those suckers.
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Is adding two more cores and hyper-threading really going to cause the TDP on 9000 series i7s to go to the moon?
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spasticColon posted:Is adding two more cores and hyper-threading really going to cause the TDP on 9000 series i7s to go to the moon? I guess if all they do is add two more cores and everything else more or less the same they'll only have to raise TDP by 30% to fit the same all-core turbo. The i7-8700K is already perfectly capable of drawing >150W sustained if you let it run all cores at its stock max turbo though.
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Any takes on the rumours of Intel selling their fabs?
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ufarn posted:Any takes on the rumours of Intel selling their fabs? couldn't find any sources claiming that but this is also interesting... semiaccurate posted:A massive $20+ billion market cap tech giant bet everything on Intel’s 10nm process to get a leg up on the industry during an upcoming generational change. source: https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10nm-meltdown-is-crushing-a-20b-market-cap-tech-giant/ There's some speculation that the giant is a manufacturer of 5G base station SoCs that would miss the market if they were to move the product to a different process. Pretty harsh. eames fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Intel is a fab company that also designs chips and has some small (billion dollar) side businesses so it would be shocking in a way the amd or ibm sell off wasn’t.
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TheFluff posted:I guess if all they do is add two more cores and everything else more or less the same they'll only have to raise TDP by 30% to fit the same all-core turbo. The i7-8700K is already perfectly capable of drawing >150W sustained if you let it run all cores at its stock max turbo though. This whole "we're only rating the chip at its base clock but stock settings will draw ~2x as much power" bullshit is getting real old.
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eames posted:couldn't find any sources claiming that but this is also interesting... Nokia possibly?
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SourKraut posted:Nokia possibly? Ericsson is the other possibility. Nokia market cap appears to be around 31b, Ericsson 25b. Siemens, Qualcomm and Samsung are significantly larger so are right out. (In addition to more obvious reasons why it wouldn’t be them) hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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"don't you think it's a bit risky betting the entire business on intel getting 10nm out roughly in time" "nah it's not like they're amd lol"
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!