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workin' on it the best way i know how pos'ting in c-spam
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it took about 50 years for capital to change the culture back to neoliberalism but they did it through concerted effort by funding propaganda institutions foundations films etc imo socialists should become bankers film directors and get foundations to fund universities get me a Karl Marx school of Economics in Chicago University and I'll show you a revolution in 50 years
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Jun 28, 2018 21:50
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Is there some equation you can use to predict social upheavel leading to either revolution or reaction? I was thinking just adding numbers from all sorts of indicators like HDI, Gini coefficient, homicide rate, ethnic/religious tension, political polarization, corruption, SOL/QOL, etc. And then comparing those things over time, but it needs to go beyond a political stability index. 
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Jun 28, 2018 21:58
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A Valenzetti Equation, but for political futures. The odds are good, friends. 69% of chance of FALGSC in X number of years.
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Jun 28, 2018 22:03
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Actuarially Existing Socialism
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GalacticAcid posted:Actuarially Existing Socialism Lol.
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Top City Homo posted:it took about 50 years for capital to change the culture back to neoliberalism but they did it through concerted effort by funding propaganda institutions foundations films etc china isn't socialist yet so
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Jun 28, 2018 22:09
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Top City Homo posted:it took about 50 years for capital to change the culture back to neoliberalism but they did it through concerted effort by funding propaganda institutions foundations films etc Are you suggesting some kind of... Cultural... Marxism?
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Jun 28, 2018 22:18
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cultural marxism with cybernetics
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Jun 28, 2018 22:19
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cultural marxism with shitposting characteristics
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Top City Homo posted:it took about 50 years for capital to change the culture back to neoliberalism but they did it through concerted effort by funding propaganda institutions foundations films etc quote:Ignoring or blithely unaware of this economic reality, leftists mistakenly imagine that “neoliberalism” has merely been the desideratum of wicked politicians, who under the influence of their Wall Street and corporate donors, have maliciously manufactured current economic conditions. But the reverse is actually the case; neoliberalism is a set of policies and an ideology that the ruling class and their political proxies developed in response to the underlying and enduring economic malaise of capitalism. That is, underlying economic conditions have been the driving force of neoliberalism, not politics and ideology. And neoliberalism has not solved the problems that it inherited from Keynesianism. Indeed, history has illustrated time and time again that the various rightist and leftist reformist political or policy programs formulated to resolve the problems produced by capitalism are inadequate to the task. https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/07/05/against-political-determinism
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Jun 28, 2018 22:42
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lollontee posted:can't you change it We americans treat our constitution as a holy text rather than a legal document, so changing it is a much harder sell It's what happens when you define rights as coming down from God rather than up from the people
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Jun 28, 2018 22:54
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*Duterte voice* The Founding Fathers are stupid!
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Jun 28, 2018 23:15
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Goon Danton posted:Are you suggesting some kind of... Cultural... Marxism? 
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Jun 28, 2018 23:17
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GalacticAcid posted:Actuarially Existing Socialism http://ablog.typepad.com/keytrendsinglobalisation/2012/02/deng-xiaoping-and-john-maynard-keynes-1.html
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Jun 28, 2018 23:31
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broke: cultural marxism is real, and strong, and destroying the west woke: cultural marxism must be created, so that the west may be destroyed
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Jun 28, 2018 23:31
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The only path to socialism in america is Win An Election, and Then Win The Civil War That Provokes, So You Can Use It As An Excuse To Rewrite Everything.
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neoliberalism is a concrete ideology that took hold through concerted elite cultivation as a reaction to both communism and neoclasical "Keynesian" economic policies. its entire purpose is to eliminate the concept of labor. It uses propaganda terms like "human capital" "time preference" "choose not to retrain for a new job" "life is about finding yourself" etc it is at its core anti democratic and promotes lowest common denominator impulses as legitimate it focuses on the market as a perfect carrier of information and actively works to insert markets into every human interaction it denies that experts can exist outside of market forces it is interested in atomizaton of people and dissolution of uncommodified interactions Hayek, Ayn Rand, Rothbard, Mises were all promoted to and created a devoted set of followers at the highest reaches of government, finance and academia that believe those things their opposition was ideological and class conscious (capitalist class conscious) when economic conditions were favorable they already had a powerful cultural authority and were able to take actions aligned with their ideology and cement their power at every level of government the underlying crises of capitalism cannot be diagnosed if there is no ideological force behind it they had ideological force behind them just as Keynesians had force behind them after the Great Depression I think that a more interventionist state can push the envelope and it can be done through mainstream economics Keynes believed in "the euthanasia of the rentier" (state banks basically) full employment and "socialization of investment" those are all compatible or overlap with Marxian economics basically be a socialism roader Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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pokemon go to the revolution
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reignonyourparade posted:The only path to socialism in america is Win An Election, and Then Win The Civil War That Provokes, So You Can Use It As An Excuse To Rewrite Everything. worked for the abolitionists, at least until they gave up during reconstruction
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Yandat posted:pokemon go to the revolution http://content.csbs.utah.edu/~mli/Renmin%20Summer%202017/Bellofiore-wp_822.pdf just jump to the conclusion if you dont want to read words
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:there's a pretty good sci-fi story in a recent analog about the climate going to hell, and idiocracy-like climate-change deniers establishing an authoritarian regime in america that blames the problem on weather satellites. the story is from the perspective of technicians who have been forcibly conscripted into operating satellite-killing weapons to hunt down the remaining weather satellites and destroy them.
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Jun 29, 2018 03:20
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"we've got another one of those weather-manipulating thingies! destroy it!!! or else!!!"
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actually idiocracy was good
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Jun 29, 2018 03:37
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idiocracy was not a vision of the future, but a completely true and factual account of the present
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Jun 29, 2018 03:42
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idiocracy is eugenics propaganda "don't fix the problems with the world, just hope that the chosen people reproduce and the plebes do not"
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Idiocracy is what idiots fall back on to be smart
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there’s a lot of debate about ideological problems with idiocracy, but in my opinion comedy can get away with pretty bad politics if it’s funny idiocracy is retarded tho, it’s not funny, that’s its worst crime
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GalacticAcid posted:Actuarially Existing Socialism
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Jun 29, 2018 04:15
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did yall see drag race that was S I C K E N I N G
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Metal Cat posted:Is there some equation you can use to predict social upheavel leading to either revolution or reaction? I was thinking just adding numbers from all sorts of indicators like HDI, Gini coefficient, homicide rate, ethnic/religious tension, political polarization, corruption, SOL/QOL, etc. And then comparing those things over time, but it needs to go beyond a political stability index.
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Jun 29, 2018 05:54
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I strongly suspect that that sort vision of mathematical historical determinism, of psychohistory, was highly influenced by Marxism in the first place. But even Marxism only expresses it's predictions as tendencies, without a sure or certain path or timeframe. To make that sort of prediction, you wouldn't just need an elucidation of a tendency, but the explicit time-evolution-operator analog.
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Jun 29, 2018 05:59
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Idiocracy is a movie by Mike Judge
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Jun 29, 2018 08:22
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rudatron posted:But even Marxism only expresses it's predictions as tendencies, without a sure or certain path or timeframe. I don't think that's historically really true. Lot's of writers post-marx presented historical materialism as deterministic
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Jun 29, 2018 08:39
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Dreddout posted:We americans treat our constitution as a holy text rather than a legal document, so changing it is a much harder sell goondolences
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Jun 29, 2018 08:40
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lollontee posted:I don't think that's historically really true. Lot's of writers post-marx presented historical materialism as deterministic
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uhhuh
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The point of psychohistory is that it's so deterministic that it flips into superstate territory where if anyone described in the model is aware of any details, including what specifically was modeled, the model is invalid because that knowledge changes how people act
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Tanks But No Tanks posted:Idiocracy is a movie by Mike Judge Starring the third-talented Wilson brother
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Jun 29, 2018 12:10
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Wheeee posted:elections are all youve got to work with, the revolution is not coming You can't think of any other tool than elections? Also what does the prospect of an impending revolution have to do with this? I'm talking about building up working class institutions -- which, incidentally, make the case for elections and their victorious outcomes easier.
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yeah, being a revolutionary means building the organization and class consciousness of the working class such that when we enter a revolutionary period, they have the ability to take power. running people in elections isnt antagonistic to revolutionary politics, so long as those elections are building the independent power of the working class.
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