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corn on the cop posted:she isn't completely gone If you find Millie person again but leave them be will they always be there and function as a second bank with high interest rates and a one-time withdrawal, or did I just blow my chance to get all my money back?
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You get your money back with interest but she no longer functions as a bank as far as I can tell
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Jun 28, 2018 16:52
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veni veni veni posted:You get your money back with interest but she no longer functions as a bank as far as I can tell Her name changes to Millie the Thief after that
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Jun 28, 2018 16:54
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Ancient Basin was a pain in the rear end to get to every time after the first for my first playthrough, but after they added that one stag station and the dream nail teleport, I think this game has all the fast travel it needs.
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Jun 28, 2018 17:06
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I think I was happier when I beat Hornet for the second time than I was for the births of either of my kids. Now I can get the shadow cloak and hopefully have a chance against Watcher Knight.
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Jun 28, 2018 18:53
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When I cleaned up the hunters journal, the most inconvenient places to get to were the failed tramway in deepnest and mantis village. I don’t recall anything else being bad considering it was always one way travel since I would leave the area via dream gate to a stag station. How inconvenient you think it is depends on whether you think, say, going from King’s station to dung defenders hideout or the colosseum is inconvenient or not. It’s like three screens. Also pro-tip: put on sprint and dash master, you move sooo much faster. Other pro-tip: if anyone is going to completely fill the journal, kill leaping husks before the infection. It was annoying to grind kills of them after that because they are no group spawns of them and I had to kill and bench reset like 12 times, nothing else was that extreme.
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Jun 28, 2018 19:20
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it's been a while since i've played through the game and now all i'm waiting for is gods and glory to round it all out so i can do a big replay of it and maybe not get every % because i did 100% on my first playthrough
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Jun 28, 2018 21:12
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Mantis Village is pretty easy to get to from Queen's Station IIRC. But yeah I would say Deepnest is the hardest to consistently get to. Howling Cliff's is also kind of annoying until you get Stag Nest
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Jun 28, 2018 21:17
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Deepnest sucks the first time through but there is a Stag Station in the Distant Village, plus the Queen's Station and Queen's Garden stops are nearby.
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The Mantis Lords are dead and the mantises bow to me. If I attack them (because I need more mantis kills for the Hunter's Journal) will it do anything besides make that specific mantis that I attacked aggro? Like will the rest of the mantises hate me again? I tried Path of Pain and wasn't able to make it to the second statue in half an hour or so. I'm sure eventually I could get it but I don't think it's worth it. I watched a video of it being run by an expert and it just looks like a nightmare, and I like hard platforming. Cowcaster posted:yeah, one of the areas i was thinking of without a convenient stag station is deepnest, but i feel the justification for that is "it's deepnest" The other thing about it is that for all the other parts of Deepnest, there are several entrances and another Stagway station is probably close to the one you need.
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I've got a few possible directions, I'll just spoil them. This is for about halfway through the game I suppose. Basically I'm asking 'is there anything I haven't done yet that most people would agree I should beeline?' - I have the three dream nail bosses to beat. I beat one at the cliffs outside the town, not too hard. Should I make the rest a priority? I know where the one is pretty close to the dream nail lady but there's one in the city that I don't know how to get to. - There's also the mantis lords - I explored most of crystal peak and killed the crystal guardian on the bench... didn't really see anything too great there. Do I need to go back? I don't know if I "finished" that area or not. - At the top of the city there's a battle on a rooftop with a boss who is a giant version of the teleport + throw missile guys. I managed to get him 'dead' and he crashed through the floor but the fight continued and I haven't retried it. Probably I could do it... - Finally there's the area below the waterways which I have explored but not very deeply. - Seen lots of trains/trams but no key/pass yet. Did I miss it? - opened both doors in the city with the simple key. I have an elegant key but no use for it yet. - is there a power that is related to the thorny vines you see around the game?
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the deepnest is spooky i hope i dont have to go back there again
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redreader posted:I've got a few possible directions, I'll just spoil them. This is for about halfway through the game I suppose. Basically I'm asking 'is there anything I haven't done yet that most people would agree I should beeline?' Honestly you're in the sweet spot where the world is your oyster. There are so many things ahead of you still, just chase those unexplored territories.
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If you didn't get a new movement ability, no, you didn't finish Crystal Peak.
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redreader posted:I've got a few possible directions, I'll just spoil them. This is for about halfway through the game I suppose. Basically I'm asking 'is there anything I haven't done yet that most people would agree I should beeline?' if you're looking for a quick payoff in terms of new movement abilities, you'll want to either go back to the crystal caves (I'm assuming you didn't find the movement powerup there) or fight the boss in the city you mentioned fyi: when people talk about dream bosses, they generally don't mean warrior spirits (ghost dudes who hang around specific monuments in the world and can be challenged through a dialogue prompt). some bosses leave behind bodies that you can touch with the dream nail; if you do, you fight a powered-up nightmare version of that particular boss. dream bosses are some of the tougher fights in the game and are tricky to deal with if you haven't collected a lot of upgrades yet. in any case, spirits and dream bosses both give you essence. the seer npc will give you rewards for reaching certain essence breakpoints. the rewards are cool but you can put off going for them until later if you like. gun for the dream bosses if you want to challenge yourself, otherwise it's fine to wait for now. if you want to check one of them out, head to the room where you fought the false knight and look around. defeating the mantis lords gets you some cool loot and access to a new area. it's not vital to rush them immediately if you don't feel like fighting them. the tram pass is in an area you proably haven't found yet (deepnest) the elegant key fits a lock in soul sanctum there's no powerup that lets you touch thorns without being harmed or the like. vines are stage hazards that you have to maneuver around. some vine obstacles can be navigated with just the dash, others require upgrades you don't have yet
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Jun 28, 2018 22:29
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there is a thorn-related charm, which you can find in Greenpath.
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The laser sub boss in crystal peak can suck my dick
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He's still the easiest fight in the game. Stand next to him and attack. When he lifts his arm for the laser stop attacking, jump straight upwards, then resume attacking. When he dances keep attacking but watch the area. In the unlikely scenario that a ceiling laser spawns near you stop attacking, walk to the side, then return and resume attacking. After he jumps walk after him and resume attacking. You never need to dash, walljump or double jump and barely even need to move at all. Seriously, there are regular enemies who are more dangerous than that mini-boss, even in his second form.
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veni veni veni posted:The laser sub boss in crystal peak can suck my dick Bring some spider friends and gently caress him up while he is charging that beam, he is on ground level and stays still a lot. MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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This warrior ghost fight in Deepnest can gently caress itself. Avoiding three bouncing orbs and chasing down a boss that flees from you can go to hell.
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Easiest fight in the game my rear end I’ll try those strats though. this guy is infuriating.
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veni veni veni posted:Easiest fight in the game my rear end Also if you are stuck on a boss, spells+shaman charm will vaporize most of the non-dream bosses if you spam them. Upgraded spells can end some boss fights before their title cards disappear if you come in with full soul.
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Was this like a pre patch thing thing? because I am trying to figure out how this is not one of the worst bosses ever in a game and your strategies aren’t really working for me at all. The timing on this poo poo is so cheap oh my god I’ve died like 100 times to this loving guy.
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veni veni veni posted:Was this like a pre patch thing thing? because I am trying to figure out how this is not one of the worst bosses ever in a game and your strategies aren’t really working for me at all. The timing on this poo poo is so cheap oh my god I’ve died like 100 times to this loving guy. Are we talking about the benchwarmer? Smack him a few times, if he charges his laser, jump and then (dash or jump again) to get enough air time (the guy who said you never have to do that is true only if you have pinpoint timing). Also, the Desolate Dive (the down+spell attack) has nonsensically huge amounts of invincibility frames, so you can stomp on his head if you're in danger of falling into the shot.
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If you do a full jump the timing is actually pretty lenient even if it seems close, but if you are scared that you can't pull it off you can just dash over his head or doublejump to be 200% safe.
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the crystal peak subboss guy was actually harder on release, iirc he used to have faster charge up and did two masks, and that was changed, I think?
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Half the time I jump he fires another laser before I hit the ground. And there are absolutely no tells as to whether he’s going to nail me or jump away or jump over me when he jumps. I theoretically know what to do but his insane damage and amount of heath makes him feel loving impossible. I’ve fought him like 100 times and I don’t even feel like I much better at him than the first time I walked in there because he is so unpredictable and avoiding his attacks has about a 1/4 second window.
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Ambivalent posted:the crystal peak subboss guy was actually harder on release, iirc he used to have faster charge up and did two masks, and that was changed, I think? He still does 2 masks and I don’t see how this charge up could physically be faster
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You need to put the game down and come back tomorrow.
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I did the next best thing and killed a different boss
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veni veni veni posted:Half the time I jump he fires another laser before I hit the ground. And there are absolutely no tells as to whether he’s going to nail me or jump away or jump over me when he jumps. I theoretically know what to do but his insane damage and amount of heath makes him feel loving impossible. I’ve fought him like 100 times and I don’t even feel like I much better at him than the first time I walked in there because he is so unpredictable and avoiding his attacks has about a 1/4 second window. The first one isn't possible unless you're jumping way too much. If you do a full height doublejump of course he's going to have time to shoot again, but even that shouldn't be a problem because his second shot should be pointed way off into the ceiling. Don't jump when he does his dance & roar, don't jump when he jumps, just do a single full jump when he lifts his arm. If you're worried about not getting enough air to clear the laser you can tap the button again to do a tiny doublejump to stall for a second, but don't do a full doublejump. The way you deal with his jumping is the same as for the lost kin, you just stand next to him and don't panic. If you're sitting right next to him he'll basically never jump on you, but if he somehow does jump towards you and it looks shallow enough to hit you, you can simply dash forward and be totally safe.
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You can also just ignore that boss and come back to fight it in the postgame, when you're better upgraded. I had as much trouble with it as veni and that's what I did. You can access everything else in Crystal Peak by going around the boss room.
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I am really, really enjoying this game. I spent way, way too long on the boss above the city according to the wiki he's the soul master. Yesterday I got him down to the last phase within about 5 matches but today it took maybe 6, and the first two I was thinking 'he is doing things too fast for me to react!' but I was wrong. Anyway, next time I play it's time for the... dun dun dun... MANTIS LORDS. I tried them once and was like 'lol no' and died almost instantly. One similarity between these games and souls games is, they make you feel this sense of despair. "I will never beat this boss, god drat" but every time you play you learn something new or identify or work on a bad habit you see that you have. And you do it again and again, and then finally you beat the boss. You only have to beat the bosses once to beat them! If anyone is feeling bad about this game, put it down and come back the next day, try again. You get better with practice even though it's not immediately obvious.
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The best advice I can give for bosses generally is to stay calm during the fights. When I get tense I make mistakes, I push lots of buttons trying to dodge and I get hit. Most of the bosses have a small number of relatively simple patterns, and it's a matter of staying cool, identifying which pattern is happening, and knowing how to avoid the attack and when my window to counterattack is. It's okay if it takes a few tries to get through the fight, use that time to try different tactics to dodge the attacks. That said, I don't think I have the patience for Nightmare King Grimm. I actually thought regular Grimm was pretty straightforward after a couple of attempts to learn the fight, but Nightmare King is a different ball of wax. It's very fast-moving and you don't have a lot of margin for error.
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Similarly, don't try to heal too much. Bosses will take advantage of you sitting still if they get a chance to attack. Learn where (and if) their patterns give you room to heal, and don't even try outside that, no matter how low your health gets. I got hit far more while panic-healing than during active engagement.
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The trick to Nightmare King Grimm is realizing that his flame pillar attack is actually an open invitation to heal multiple times with shape of unn. Sharp Shadow, Deep Focus, Shape of Unn & Grubsong are my standard charm set for fighting Grimm.
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Tenebrais posted:Similarly, don't try to heal too much. Bosses will take advantage of you sitting still if they get a chance to attack. Learn where (and if) their patterns give you room to heal, and don't even try outside that, no matter how low your health gets. I got hit far more while panic-healing than during active engagement. It's a change in perspective that is useful in tons of games in general: don't play to do as much damage as you can, play to protect your lifebar. There's cases where games will throw situations at you that run counter to that kind of thinking (putting you on a timer, DPS race-style battles, etc*), but I'm not sure Hollow Knight has any of those. Playing to protect your lifebar makes it much easier to understand enemy patterns, hitboxes, windup and cooldown windows and so forth. * And you could argue that even in those cases getting aggressive is your best means of protecting your lifebar.
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So to fully awaken the Dream Nail, I'm going to have to beat the Dream Versions of the bosses huh? Not looking forward to that, and yet I really want to see the Palace. Also is the delicate flower quest as frustrating as it looks? I'm not even sure where that grave she wants me to go to is located.
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