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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, but it requires so much setup compared just slapping the Red Mage ability that gives you 2 BP whenever you get a status ailment on everyone and having a designated party poisoner. This ends up being hilariously effective, but does have the downside that you can't equip items or effects that block status ailments, which leaves some critical vulnerabilities. That being said, my final party was something along the lines of (everything here has been seen before, but spoiling just in case): Dark Knight/Salve-Maker - set dark weakness, set any relevant buffs, Rage + Blood Blade = 5x9999 damage and leech it all back Dark Knight/Vampire - utility healing and debuffs, same absurd damage as above Red Mage/Time Mage - poison the whole party to restore BP, utility in some time mage spells Templar/Spiritmaster - shut the enemy offense down completely, especially combined with infinite BP Fights basically went: Turn 1 - buff/debuff/get BP, Turn 2 - Rage with both Dark Knights 2-3? times (I don't remember how the BP shakes out), There is no Turn 3.
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Entry 83: Welcome to the Mountains With Harena cleansed of Eternia's subterfuge, we can safely move on to the next continent. Two down, three to go.  Let's go say hi to Braev. Who knows, maybe we can stop the rest of the Eternians at the source. *Some time later, in Eternia*  Boy, yeah, going straight from desert to glaciers is pretty extreme! You know what might help ease the temperature change?  Ahhh.  Eternia's native fauna are even more dangerous than last time.  Local science has lent a hand, too. Note in the battle shot above that the ice golem miniboss from the start of chapter 4 is now a regular encounter.  Of everything here, though, these round pint things are the deadliest. If you aren't paying attention, they can decimate your party within a couple've turns, provided they don't decide to run away. If you manage to kill them, they reward a hefty 500 JP a pop, but because they're a rarer encounter, they're not optimal for grinding.  It's not surprising that Wa once warred in Eternia; evidently they lost. Wonder if there's any connection between this ancient invasion and the land of Wa's disappearance? Alternatively, Wa did occupy Eternia for some time, until perhaps their homeland imploded, dissolving their hold over farflung colonies. Either way could explain Kamiizumi and Kikyo's lineage in Eternia.  There's an implication here that Eternia City is in fact under guard, even though we don't see any soldiers. It was implied last time as well; the party was trying to stay quiet and anonymous, which is why Edea was concerned about stumbling into an old classmate (the one staring a hole in Tiz's back right now).  Braev must have once again prepared for invasion when he got word of Grandship coming in. To be fair, seeing a giant floating city-ship enter your airspace would be pretty alarming, whether you know it's carrying the wind vestal or not. Also, take note of that old man in the corner. He wasn't here last time we were in Eternia. This is the town's gossip. We'll be chatting with him shortly.  Since we've been poking our nose everywhere, we know the nurse's referring to Vincent S. Court, Victor's father. He was a master of magic and science, yet at some point in the past fifteen years he somehow died... I'm sure it was of completely natural causes.  We've come this far, so of course Edea wants to check up on Mother.  Never mind that; are you alright!? Of course I am. You mustn't trust everything you hear. And I've been feeling quite a bit better since I came here.The conversation goes down pretty similarly to last time.  Mahzer turns to Agnès. So, you are the wind vestal? ...! I am the grand marshal's wife, after all. I hear much to which others are not privy. And I am particularly well informed about the wind vestal's traveling companions. Eternia's informants are great, so long as they aren't uncovering corruption within their own ranks.  Our talk with Mahzer is shortened this time, largely because Ringabel's spending less time being witty and more time listening in awkward silence. Mother... How wonderful to see you so full of vim and vigor! I'm...I'm sorry if I worried you, Mother. There's no need for that. There's no need to worry about me. Forgive me, but this is where we must say goodbye. Please, do look after my daughter. *nods* Mother...The party waits around until the exam is over, then visits Mahzer again.   How do you feel, Mother? I am quite well today. I see... I am glad.That's one less worry on Edea's mind. With that out of the way, let's go see what the new old guy in town had to say.   It goes without saying that the first is Braev the Templar, Grand Marshal of the Eternian Forces! The second is the Swordmaster, Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, greatest swordsman in the Land of Immortality! We are blessed to have not one, but two great heroes in a single generation. Hm? You are the templar's daughter, young lady? And you are a disciple of the swordmaster? Well I never! Still, I'll wager you haven't heard the story of the one true love of the templar and the swordmaster! All those my age know the tale. Ask me anything! Aw yeah, time to get some hot gossip. Someone tell Airy to pipe down about crystals so we can hear the guy. How did they meet? His counterpart, the swordmaster Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, was a top young swordsman at the city training hall. The two met here in the city, and became fast friends as they trained together, honing both mind and sword arm. One day, the templar returned to his home village accompanied by his friend the swordmaster. However, when they returned to the city, it was clear there had been a falling out between them. Both refused to speak of it... They also all but ceased training together in the way of the sword. Word spread among the townspeople... We all had wondered what had happened between them. When the templar later brought his betrothed from his home village to the city, the rumors started. Had the swordmaster and the templar become rivals over this beautiful young girl...? What about their duel? The year before the Great Plague, the two who had avoided each other so long suddenly engaged in a duel on the city outskirts! They fought for three days and night in a constant flurry of sword blows, their clashing blades ringing throughout the city. At my best guess...the swordmaster won by a narrow margin. In the end it took a score of the Orthodoxy's soldiers to stop the fighting. There is no doubt in my mind that the two of them fought day and night over the enchanting Mahzer. It was an epic battle for all involved. What happened after? The swordmaster visited Mahzer alone. Soon after returning to the city, he set off on a journey to train in the art of war... Not long after, the templar traveled to his village, and brought his betrothed back with him. We all thought the swordmaster had confessed his love and been spurned, leaving him brokenhearted. The duel was most likely a deadly struggle to see who would have the chance to declare their love first. Then the Great Plague descended. Amid the chaos, the templar and Mahzer were joined in marriage. I cannot recall how many years it was before the swordmaster returned... He took part in the templar's uprising that followed. Who can say what was in his heart at the time? It is beyond the comprehension of simple folks such as I.Edea steps away from her father and master's biggest fanboy, returning to the rest of the party.  I had no idea. My father and Swordmaster Nobutsuna never spoke a word of it. I don't think they ever would. Even I can figure that much out. Well, heartwarming tales are fine and all, but the rest of me is freezing. Edea, what's good to eat in this town? Hopefully, it's something piping hot. At this hour, you'll have to make do with food carts. How about that over there? Beef stew and citrus stew... How's the stew around here, anyway? Well, the Eternian version probably isn't what you'd expect. We skewer daikon radish before cooking them in a special stock till they're tender. Then we dip them in beef or citrus sauces before eating them.[img]https://lpix.org/2703269/agnes_happy.png[img][/img] I have never heard of such a dish before. It warms my body just thinking about it! Well, what're we waiting for! I'll have the beef stew! Me, too! I think I will try the citrus stew. Why am I not surprised? And you, Ringabel? Oh, me...? I'll take it clean and spicy! "Clean and spicy"? Right, hold the sauce, add mustard. The stock is already so flavorful, it's perfect with just that! How could you possibly know that? You haven't eaten it before, have you? Nope, this will be my first-- Hmm, that is strange. How did I know that? Ha ha ha, you probably read it in that journal or heard it from one of your lady friends. Come on, let's hurry up and eat before it gets cold. Let's eat, let's eat! Right...After eating, the party goes to ask Mahzer about the gossip.   Excuse me, Mother... What is it, child? It's... Oh, never mind....And for some reason Edea feels awkward asking about her parents' sex life. Who would've thought?  The party leaves Eternia City. There's no fighting nor allies to be found here, and Braev's undoubtedly waiting for us.  The three passages leading to Central Command are unguarded this time, aside from the regular ground troops.  But at Central Command's front steps, a familiar, high-pitched, wrath-filled voice is waiting for us...    But unfortunately for you, you won't get any further if I can help it! Hee hee, I'll have you know I'm in top form today. Now you'll see just how helpless you are before me! I bid you, Victoria, unleash your full power. Spare nothing. Ah ha ha ha ha ha!Before the party can react, Victoria casts magic...  ...targeting Agnès and Tiz. It's not as painful as last time, but still not the sort of spells you want flung in your face.  Rgh! Flee if you can, wretches! Off you go! *magic* Ungh... Ah ha ha! Why so quiet? Teeth chattering too much? How ungainly. Enough! You'll only hurt yourself at this rate! Victoria's speech drops off. ...Ngh...ngah-agh. ...! It happened... Victor! I...c-can't...b-b-breathe-- Aaagh! Alas, you have grown more unstable than I had feared! We must seek treatment at once! ......Victor takes Victoria and runs up the stairs, leaving the party behind. Again.  For those curious, you'll always trigger the meeting with Victor and Victoria at the front steps the first time you enter Central Command, no matter which entrance you use.  The party follows Victor and Victoria in. Maybe this time we can help? Silence, if you please. She would likely perish if we were to disturb her now. It's happening again... Now's our chance! Victor's a smart guy who's studied the crystals, we can explain ourselves and-- Edea shakes her head. Oh, I was just thinking out loud... Allow me to tell you a story, if I may. Once upon a time in a place not of this land, there was an orphaned child suffering an incurable disease. Her name was Victoria.We know this is a ruse to buy time, and the party knows, but they decide it's worth the risk to listen.  Huh? The Orthodoxy? She was taken in and raised by the Orthodoxy soon after her birth. This is new... She simply waited upon her inevitable demise, all the while gasping in pain and despair. Then a chance meeting changed her life. On death's door and abandoned, she was found by the grand marshal, who wandered the lands after renouncing the Orthodoxy himself. He took her to Yulyana, nursed her to health, then brought her to this realm for treatment. My father did this? He never spoke a word of this. Were it not for His Lordship, her fragile life would have soon been snuffed out. I was pulled from my studies on the Earth Crystal to treat her. But the treatment was not yet perfected, and she was left with terrible side effects. She suffers from periodic fits, which cause her body to writhe in pain. Her dread of these fits eventually caused her to lose all control over her emotions. But perhaps the most significant side effect was the cessation of her physical growth. Since my father and I began her treatment here, she has always had the child-like form you see. If she is in such pain... How can you force her to use her powers!? ...... I do not need you to tell me that. After the death of my father, I took over his research, and have poured my heart into healing her body. But I could not relieve her agony, no matter how I tried. Each time her tiny form is wracked with pain, I ask myself: knowing the result, would I still have intervened as I did? But ever is my answer the same... As long as I draw breath, I will see that she does, too. No matter how she suffers, I'll not allow her to die. There's a splashing noise from the center of the room. Our storytime's up. ...What nonsense. Forgive me, Victoria. How do you fare now? Back to my old self. But I don't think I could take another one of those fits. Now, let's take care of these fools once and for all. Stop it! What is the point of us fighting!? The point, you ask? Hmm... Because you disgust me, Edea. Wh-what? That is reason enough to fight, no? I wish to see your corpses splayed before me, fools! So close to having a reasonable discussion, yet so far. But after years of what amount to psychological trauma, neither Victor nor Victoria are really in their right minds.  I don't remember doing anything to you! You have your health, and blood relatives that care for you deeply. You live a life of comfort, with many friends and teachers... And yet despite these blessings, you rebelled. How can you display such arrogance, Edea!? I find your very existence offensive! I...I fail to see how that is justified... Is that right? You have no concept of the suffering of us have-nots! Justified or not, I despise you! Why don't you just roll over and die now!?The battle goes quickly this time. The party focuses on taking Victoria and her deadly status spells down first.  Victoria fades out of asterisk space. Victoria...? Victoria! Victoria... We have lost her... My sole reason for living, gone... I shall end this miserable life...and take you all with me!Victor takes Victoria's death even harder this time.  Luckily, on his own, he has no chance to take the party down. Now Victoria...and I...shall be together...for eternity...As before, there are multiple paths of dialogue for killing Victor and Victoria. Killing both at the same time gives the same dialogue as in Chapter 4. But if you kill Victor first:  Nonsense! Open your eyes, Victor! I will not permit you to die before me!As Victor dies, he has no choice but to fade away.  The next fit I have will be my last. So with the short time I have left... I'd like nothing more than to crush you all!She then proceeds to fail.  This time around, Victor and Victoria seems slightly more affectionate toward each other. We also came close to having a reasonable talk with Victor.  But 'close' wasn't enough to save them from dying again. Victor is obsessed with Victoria, but Victoria's entire self is based in hate. And as she said herself, pure hate can't be reasoned away. The party continues up Central Command, all the way to the Council of Six's chamber.  It's shaping up to be another bad day for Braev.  But wait. His demeanor is completely different. He seems...calm.  So you have come, then. This is the wind vestal, I take it? Younger than I expected. I am indeed Agnès Oblige, the Wind Vestal. I did not expect to face you again like this. This time around, we haven't had a chance to wear down Braev's patience. Our coming here is so abrupt he isn't even sure whether we're coming with hostile or diplomatic intentions. It does not matter. I do not intend to go against all the ideals you hold. But your hatred of the Crystal Orthodoxy and oppression of the Crystalists I cannot forgive! Agnes's patience, on the other hand -- after seeing her best friend killed, armies destroyed, civilians abused, children enslaved, women tortured -- is pretty much gone. Do your ideals include spreading the flames of war, causing many innocent people to suffer? You did what you did to save Mother, right? Enough, Edea. You clearly do not understand my motives. I don't? ......I lost faith in the Orthodoxy twenty years ago. The same year that the Great Plague swept through all of Luxendarc. But there was a way to stop it. By using the Earth Crystal to amplify the effects of white magic, the plague could have been eliminated! But my pleas to use this option fell on deaf ears, time after time... Instead, the Orthodoxy sealed off the roads, letting the plague decimate village after village! This is repeat information to us now, but it's the first time we've heard it from Braev's point of view. So you took action, Father? But the corruption of the Orthodoxy is trivial compared to the great secret of the crystals. Secret...? When I left the Orthodoxy, and met the sage in Yulyana, I was taught the secret of the crystals. If misused, the crystals could bring about the end of the world. What!? What are you talking about!? The crystals are the light of humanity, delivered through the prayers of the vestals through the ages! You are not wrong, but that is merely one facet of the crystals, Wind Vestal. I could not entrust crystals with the power to end all existence to the Orthodoxy, whose only interest is self-preservation. Then, my worst fears came true. Fifteen years ago the leaders of the Orthodoxy attempted the Grand Ritual, for the sole purpose of enhancing their prestige. The Grand Ritual? Surely not...This game has quite a few cutscenes that vary depending on what the player's done and seen. Unfortunately, not enough.  So we end up in strange cases like this, where Agnès is horrified to learn about the Orthodoxy's corruption despite this being... What, the third time she's heard about this Grand Ritual? Our reports suggested the Earth Crystal was extremely unstable by that point. If the Grand Ritual were conducted, Eternia could have faced destruction. So you attacked the headquarters of the Orthodoxy and the Temple of Earth to stop this Grand Ritual, Father!? However, we were too late. By the time we got there, the Grand Ritual was already underway. Because of this, the Earth Crystal has been leaking power for the past fifteen years. So you prevented a crisis by tapping its power for the medical arts! He looks back to Edea. But my feelings for my hometown and wife likely spurred me toward this solution. Wind Vestal, your awakening of the crystals may have edged us toward the Harrowing. You have it wrong! We awaken the crystals to save the world from the Harrowing! That is merely the Orthodoxy's view. I do not know what deceit lies behind it. I cannot allow those who act without proper understanding to tamper with the crystals!Speaking of not enough cutscene variations, Braev's dialogue in this scene is unchanged even if you have yet to awaken any crystals in this timeline.  Father! Next: A crystal, a Braev, and a need for fixed fashion. -- Event Viewer Sub-Scenario: A Chance Meeting How Do You Feel? The Gossipy Old Man One True Love Never Mind The Arcanist's Ambush The Arcanist's Agony The Suffering of Have-Nots The Templar's Ideals Party Chat: A Special Order D's Journal: Edea Lee posted:We heard the tale of the one true love of the templar and the swordmaster from a man in Eternia. It seems when they were young, they dueled for three days and night over the right to proposition Edea's mother. Hearing this, a look of dawning realization came over Edea's face... D's Journal: Swordmaster Kamiizumi posted:In Eternia we met a man who spoke of the templar and swordmaster in their younger days. He said they were close friends who both aimed to master the way of the sword. However, they had a falling out one day, leading to a duel that lasted three days and three nights. In the end, it took twenty Orthodoxy guards to restrain them. D's Journal: Braev the Templar posted:In Eternia, we heard rumors about the one true love of the templar and swordmaster. It seems in their youth they were close friends studying the way of the sword, but they had a falling out. The templar became a cleric of the Orthodoxy, while the swordmaster instructed at the training hall. Then, the year before the Great Plague, they suddenly met to engage in a duel! D's Journal: Mahzer Lee posted:In the city of Eternia, we heard rumors about the history between the swordmaster and the templar. It seems they were close friends, dedicated to the way of the sword. However, a wedge was driven between them when the swordmaster set eyes upon the templar's childhood friend Mahzer at the village where they grew up. This led to them dueling the year before the Great Plague. D's Journal: Victoria the Arcanist posted:After entering the Holy Pillar and finding ourselves in another world, we headed to Eternian Central Command and encountered Victoria and Victor lying in wait for us. As before, Victoria's seizure forced them to fall back so she could be treated at the White Magic Circulation Hub. D's Journal: Victor S. Court posted:After entering the Holy Pillar and waking in another world, we were ambushed by Victoria on the way to Eternian Central Command. Just as before, she had a seizure and withdrew to the White Magic Circulation Hub for treatment, where Victor spoke of the past to buy time. D's Journal: Vincent S. Court posted:In the second world, Victor mentioned Vincent while treating the arcanist Victoria after she had a seizure in the middle of battle. He was Victor's father, who conducted research into enhancing the effects of white magic. He apparently played a part in the treatment of Victoria, who suffered from an incurable illness at a young age. 
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Bahahaha his boots have ties?! It somehow looks much more nondescript in the game model.
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Has the Harrowing been mentioned before? Everyone seems to know about it.
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Nebrilos posted:Has the Harrowing been mentioned before? Everyone seems to know about it. I think that is when the Crystals not working causes the world to be ruined?
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If only Braev was this reasonable the first time.
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Nebrilos posted:Has the Harrowing been mentioned before? Everyone seems to know about it. Could've sworn the term was used earlier, but gotta admit, now that I look I'm not finding anything... Just spots where it really should have been referenced by name. It gets hard to keep track since I'm watching scenes ahead of the part I'm editing/posting. If this is the first time the term the Harrowing's been mentioned, it's yet another error on the game script's part. Agnes should be as in the dark about it as you are. Regardless, we'll be getting a proper explanation soon.
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Motherfucking tie boots are the funniest jrpg fashion I have seen since the famous belt dress.
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What about ZIPPERS EVERYWHERE from Kingdom Hearts?
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"Gee Ringabel, how can you know about the food in....my....home country?" Okay, now she's just in denial. Which would be understandable, except they're still killing people.
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I appreciate Braev's willingness to keep talking about this, and I kind of understand his underlings now. I mean, when "end the world" is the alternative, who wouldn't you work with?
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Regalingualius posted:What about ZIPPERS EVERYWHERE from Kingdom Hearts? Close third but really you meant the Bouncer
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As an until-recently-blind LP reader, this was the first mention of the Harrowing as far as I'm concerned. It's possible I missed it (my eyes sometimes glaze over the massive walls of text, I admit), but even Greyarc can't find anything so... Bravely Default, everyone! An excellent analysis of this game's soundtrack popped up on my youtube recommendations and welp now I'm spoiled about the end boss of the game. I appreciate this game a lot more now though! People seem down on this chunk of the game but I really want to see how it
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GimmickMan posted:As an until-recently-blind LP reader, this was the first mention of the Harrowing as far as I'm concerned. It's possible I missed it (my eyes sometimes glaze over the massive walls of text, I admit), but even Greyarc can't find anything so... Bravely Default, everyone! My first experience of the game was a Youtube video which was the music for a late-game boss fight, but I avoided reading the comments and managed to remain unspoiled until after watching a VLP of the game.
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Does the Harrowing mention work better if you do this part in roughly the same order as before?
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Entry 84: A Quiet Moment Last episode, on Bravely Default: The Orthodoxy's evil and I don't want the world to be destroyed. Therefore genocide, child slavery, chemical warfare, etc. are A-OK! We won't ignore your trashfire strategy of world domination, but we will conveniently forget how corrupt the Orthodoxy was! Let's also accidently sequence break and know the meaning of a term we've never heard before! Complications are hard. I hate using my brain! Let's fight instead, that'll solve everything! And then we defeated Braev in combat. Braev! Mahzer runs past the party and to Braev. Mother... So you have come... I am sorry, Braev. This is all my fault. Do not...be absurd... This is hardly...your doing. Braev... Wind Vestal... With these wounds...I shall never...wield a blade again.DeRosso is too busy sipping wine or something to help out, but luckily Braev's taken a medical crash course this time around.  I entrust the crystal to the vestal... I have said my piece. Now it is for the vestal to decide. I trust...you will make the right...decision.Less than two minutes after trying to kill his daughter and her friends, Braev is ready to trust us. What he won't do, however...  Is be more specific about why we shouldn't do what we're obviously going to do. You must...not...He faints.  Ringabel checks Braev over.  It's okay. He has lost consciousness, but swift treatment should save his life.Braev is taken away to be treated at the medical facilities. After that's settled:  Come to think, the party's likely been aging even with time reset for everything else. Considering their journey in Chapter 1-4 took months according to D's Journal, Edea should be slightly older than she's supposed to be (especially if you go with her Japan-version age of 15). ...... I do not blame you, you know. You must follow the path you believe is right. Just as your father has done. Wind Vestal... Yes? You are not bound by the words of my husband. You are the last surviving vestal. You are the hope that guides our people. Do not follow one belief blindly. Hear what others have to say before making your decision. ...I will take your words to heart. Thank you. You should go, then. Look after Father, Mother. I will, of course.We've gotten as much info as we can so far. The Orthodoxy's done terrible things, Braev has done terrible things, and both are biased against each other. What's the right thing to do? It's impossible to say for sure. For now, all we can do is keep Mahzer's words in mind: no matter what anyone else says, the choice is ultimately up to us.  That in mind, we have the same goal as before: awaken the crystals.  Eternia's defenses weren't prepared, so the way to Everlast Tower is open.  As expected, there are new, stronger monsters here.  This includes what looks like a failed alchemical lifeform. It was likely created during the experiments of Victor's father. At the top of Everlast Tower, the party enters the Earth Crystal's chamber to a familiar sight.  From this point on, the crystal-related cutscenes are almost all repeats. This crystal has also reverted... Should we perform the Rite of Awakening? I think so...*ROOOAAAAR*  Wait, something lurks nearby! Ah!? That's...Gigas Lich, the Propagator of Doom! Another creature back from destruction! Here they come! Anyway, remember how there's an easier method to kill this boss using Bravely Second? Using Bravely Second to go over the damage cap...  Makes for the quickest battle in Bravely Default.  For once in the history of Square games, an Elixir finally feels worthwhile to spend.  For whatever reason that three second fight took a lot out of the party. After they recover:  We can get on to crystal awakening.  The ceremony works as planned.  And we're careful to not mess up and cause the destruction of the crystal. Or, hell, maybe the world.  But once Agnès recovers and goes to get changed, Edea stops her.  After awakening your second crystal in chapter 5, the vestal garb's had all it can take. Huh? Oh... What should we do? It has seen a lot of use of late. Let's go and ask the sage to repair it.This works out for us. Braev mentioned learning about the crystals from the sage. Maybe we can find out more about dangers of the crystals, or even the Harrowing.  Progress so far. We'll visit Vampire DeRosso later; repairing the garb is first priority.  At this point, no matter where you are in the world, Airy is preoccupied by the garb.  And as you might expect, you can't attempt to awaken the other crystals without getting Agnès's gear fixed.  So without further delay, the party goes to the sage's hut.  And who might you be?Agnès walks forward and bows.  Ho ho! Little Agnès, is it? My, how you have grown, child! You were scarce more than a little sprout when your predecessor brought you here. Now look at you! A fine woman you've become. ...... Why the long face? If there is anything this feeble old man can do for you, name it. He hasn't changed a bit. Sage, Agnès's vestal garb has become threadbare.Hopefully the fact we've come here on vestal business will keep the sage from getting distracted by...other things.  Edea hands over the dress and the Sage examines it. Hmm... Yes, this should be easy to patch up. Sage... Do you remember me at all? Hmm... ...... Yes, I remember you well. This is the third time, after all. But perhaps you might call it the first. Still, I remember you all too well. The third time? Wh-what do you...? Of course... Let me put it this way. Just in case we needed more confirmation the time reset wasn't all in the party's heads. But 'another world'? That's a way to phrase it... ...!? What...?Yulyana sighs and shakes his head.  The party hurries in after him, hungry for some tasty, tasty exposition. Now, then. I was about to pour some tea for us... But I fear this may not be the time for sitting quietly with a hot brew. Sage... Are you aware I was a founder of the organization that became the Duchy of Eternia? Yes... Then you know of Lord DeRosso? ...We do. And are you familiar with the circumstances that led Lord DeRosso and me to build that organization? ...... Not to worry. Well, then, Agnès. ...Yes? You must decide who is your most trustworthy ally. Then, travel to the nearby cave with them. You will find it to the southwest of here. Once inside, I will tell you all I know. I will also give you your vestal garb there. You should understand your situation better once we are done. I shall go on ahead. I would advise you to heed my words. Let's pause here for a moment to clear something up. Because the party visited DeRosso's Castle earlier, this scene was shortened slightly from the version in the Event Viewer. If you haven't completed Vampire Castle at this point, there are a few extra lines after Yulyana asks: And are you familiar with the circumstances that led Lord DeRosso and me to build that organization? No... No!? Hmm, I see. Then my counterpart in your world has been very lax. ......Aside from this, the events in this segment are unchanged whether you've listened to DeRosso ramble or not. Keep that in mind for later. After the sage leaves, the party gathers in the middle of the house.  But why can only two of us go? Who knows what that old man is thinking? Who do you think I should choose? Well, I guess... You have to make your own choice, Agnès. Remember the sage's words. You have to decide who you trust most, Agnès. Do I count as well? I'm going with Agnès either way. Wait, I think it should be me. You need a man who knows how to look after a woman. Ah, Ringabel. You can practically feel the awkwardness in the room. Hmm... Of course, I would die for you, too, Edea. So I play second fiddle to her, huh? Whatever. The jealousy of a woman spurned is so endearing. Oh, shut up, Ringabel. I'm not jealous at all. Agnès dismisses any idea she had of taking Ringabel and keeps thinking. What am I to do? Like I said, just make the decision yourself, Agnès. Hm-hmmmm... Nothing... Can I see you outside, Tiz? Huh!? Oh, sure... There isn't much animation in this game, but they did add Edea elbowing Tiz here.  What? Stop giving me a hard time! What about me? ......Man, how could we ever turn down a tiny voice going "Hey! Listen! Crystals! Hey! Hey! Crystals! Listen!" constantly? Not long after dark, Tiz goes to meet Agnès outside.  The boy's feeling shy. It's all right, Tiz! There's a reason Agnès chose you!  Agnès doesn't answer right away. She's deep in thought, staring up at the night sky. Do you remember what I said to you right around the time we met, Tiz? I said I would like you to join me. Yes, I remember. And you have stayed at my side this whole time, through journeys far and wide.  Will you do it? Huh? I remember the promise I made! I'll never forget it! Not till my dying day! Jeez, look at these cuties. Tiz...Tiz awkwardly shuffles around.  I'd be honored to go with you! ......[img]https://lpix.org/2703269/agnes_happy.png[img][/img] Thank you. It seems I have come to trust you more than any other since that day. Romance in video games is rarely written well, but Bravely Default does a good job. It's never a main plot thread except right here, but throughout the game, Agnès and Tiz have had a sweet, quiet budding relationship going on in the background. They're both honest, unassuming yet strong-willed people who want to do right by the world. By this point they've seen each other at their best and worst, sticking together and supporting each other through it all. It's easy to see why these two would choose each other.  Agnès's decision is made, so the party gets some rest.  Shiba Inu. The next morning, the party heads out to the cave entrance.  Ringabel makes a good wingman, and not just because he makes Tiz look good by comparison. Tiz, I am counting on you to escort Agnès with the utmost care. I don't think he needs any advice from you, Ringabel. It's not fair! I thought I was your perfect partner, Agnès. And now you're leaving me behind? How could you? After all we've been through? I am sorry, Airy. I hope you can understand. I think Edea has the highest rate for saying lines based on what the player's thinking (followed closely by Tiz). Go on, get going already! We'll be back soon. Take your time! Tiz and Agnès head down into the cave. How many milliseconds will it be before Edea gets sick of Ringabel and Airy and goes off monster hunting?  Once Agnès and Tiz enter, there's no turning back until the quest is over. If you try to exit, the sage's disembodied voice pipes up:  Why do you turn back, Agnès? Surely your resolve is not so easily shaken! Continue on, and do not look back. But really, there's no reason to leave. Just run through, ignore the weak enemies, and find the sage at the very bottom.  Ah, so this is the one you have chosen. I envy him. You make a fine pair. Were I a thousand eight hundred and eighty years younger, I would gladly have taken your hand in his stead, Agnès. A thousand eight hundred and eighty...? Y-yeah, yeah, beside that! Please tell us what you know. Yes, that is why we have come to you, Sage. Agnès and Tiz glance at each other. ......*a-HEM* You are not originally of this world. That is why we meet for the first time. Yes...Another world, another time, or both? Will Edea have to punch Ringabel before Tiz and Agnès return? Will Airy ever forgive Agnès for leaving her behind? Find out: Next: The Harrowing? -- Event Viewer Main Scenario: The Vestal Garb Wears Thin Visitors From Another World The Most Trustworthy Ally Make Your Own Choice Come With Me Perfect Partners A Fine Pair Sub-Scenario: The Templar's Gift The Path You Must Follow D's Journal: Edea Lee posted:As we faced Braev the Templar in the second world, he spoke of the reasons for his uprising fifteen years earlier. He claimed he was forced to act when the Orthodoxy turned its back on the people, and attempted a foolish undertaking called the Grand Ritual that would endanger the crystals. He said a vestal awakening the crystals put them at similar risk. D's Journal: Airy posted:We visited the sage to ask him to repair the tattered vestal garb. He told Agnès to choose the one she trusts most, and she took Tiz with her to the cave to meet him. Airy, who has so far devoted herself to Agnès thoroughly as a cryst-fairy, was so shocked at not being chosen as to lose her appetite. D's Journal: Sage Yulyana posted:Agnès's vestal garb had become threabare after awakening the second crystal in this world, so we visited the sage to ask him to repair it. He asked Agnès to choose the one she trusted most, and take them to the nearby cave. He then left her to make her decision. D's Journal: Braev the Templar posted:In the second world, the templar told us the truth behind the attack on the Orthodoxy fifteen years earlier. The Orthodoxy's Grand Ritual destabilized the Earth Crystal, and the energy gushing forth was drawn out via white magic cables and converted into healing waves to treat the sick. The templar had taken the crystal to protect it, and not to exploit its power. 
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ultrafilter posted:Does the Harrowing mention work better if you do this part in roughly the same order as before? Yup, that's exactly what's going on. The dialogue is set up in a way heavily favoring Wind->Water->Fire->Earth, but then at some point in the design process they realized "wait a sec, the player's got an airship! let's open the game world and let the player choose whatever order they want!". One of the hardest parts of opening up a game world to the player is making sure everything makes sense no matter what order the player does things in. For whatever reason, with Braev and the Harrowing they didn't bother double-checking.
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Jun 26, 2018 05:21
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Oh my god exposition?! Be still my beating heart.
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Jun 26, 2018 05:23
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Two people, alone in a cave, getting exposition from a pervy sage? It's gonna be Asterisk time isn't it? You have received the PERVY SAGE Asterisk!
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Jun 26, 2018 05:32
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Man, I forgot he was THAT old. I wonder if Yulyana just plays up the pervy old gag character shtick because he has to do something to keep sane repeating stock NPC dialogue for the rest of his life.
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Jun 26, 2018 05:40
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Once again Braev gets around giving us more answers by timely fainting... Maybe he actually is as strong and near invincible as people are saying but we just happened to come across his borderline deadly allergy to exposition.
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Jun 26, 2018 08:07
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Braev is just really, really shy. He talks a big game but the moment he actually has to explain something to someone in person he just clams up and plays dead to get out of it.
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When you become that old and technology appears to stay largely static, timeloops and parallel dimensions probably doesn't even feel that weird compared to the general ebb and flow of history.
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Rainuwastaken posted:Braev is just really, really shy. He talks a big game but the moment he actually has to explain something to someone in person he just clams up and plays dead to get out of it. Imagine Mahzer trying to get Braev and Edea familial counseling after all of this is over and done, and Braev keeps trying to fight the counselor to the death or pretends to be dead for the whole session.
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Jun 26, 2018 17:12
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EXPOSITION. also I trust no one anymore. Something hosed up is going on.
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ZeusCannon posted:EXPOSITION. I just got through the archive, we still haven't gotten any more info on Tiz and his two-soul-one-body issue that Mephilia brought up back in Florem. For all I know, the game is using prophecy language to make Airy into a red herring.
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Zagglezig posted:For all I know, the game is using prophecy language to make Airy into a red herring. Actually, if you take a closer look at her you might start to wonder if she's still the same Airy - she looks a bit different now in this new world. 
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Jul 1, 2018 06:26
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We completely screwed over the first world by going into the pillar of light, didn't we?
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Dudethunder posted:Actually, if you take a closer look at her you might start to wonder if she's still the same Airy - she looks a bit different now in this new world. Good eye, the wings are different. More pointy. More... Evil. 
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Alternate universe instead of time travel. Alternis Dim. Alternate dimension. GOD loving DAMMIT game, although Dim is probably because he's not very bright shall we say. DGM_2 posted:We completely screwed over the first world by going into the pillar of light, didn't we? Yeah, I'm going to speculate the pillar of light is/can be used as a "destroy this dimension" ritual. Dudethunder posted:Actually, if you take a closer look at her you might start to wonder if she's still the same Airy - she looks a bit different now in this new world.  First LP page Airy:  (also is it just me or do her upper wings resemble a screaming face?) Last update Airy: Ok, the **** is happening here? (Rhetoric question, she's evil. I get the feeling the vampire castle and related exposition was not really meant to be unlocked on the first go, although they left the opportunity for sequence break.)
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It might help if she wasn't talking and we could see what the reflection/left wing looks like
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I don't really see a difference. Am I missing something?
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Jul 1, 2018 22:57
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Not wing shape, the pattern on the wings.
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Jul 1, 2018 22:58
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In the pattern of the upper wing, the lower swoop is gone and there's some extra lines intersecting the upper pointy detail, which is now vaguely pointier. I had to stare at it for a couple of minutes to see anything.
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Jul 1, 2018 23:03
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So apparently Pervy Sage and Only A Vampire Ironically know what's "really" going on and they understand the main party's point of view...but they also refuse to talk to Braev about it. Despite being on his Council. I sorta have a theory about it, but it's really stretching things. It's also spoilertastic, so I'll wait until the end.
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Commander Keene posted:I suppose that's one interpretation of the pattern on her wings; I think it looks more like a lower-case "e", personally. Maybe she's been sent by Microsoft to spread Internet Explorer? Or maybe she's the new Microsoft Personal Assistant... I see that you are trying to awaken the Crystals. Would you like some advice?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:
Definitely evil then
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Commander Keene posted:I suppose that's one interpretation of the pattern on her wings; I think it looks more like a lower-case "e", personally. Maybe she's been sent by Microsoft to spread Internet Explorer? Or maybe she's the new Microsoft Personal Assistant... Now we need a hack of Bravely Default where Airy is replaced by the Microsoft Paper Clip. 
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