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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Oh by the way, if anyone wanted to know what Lud-in-the-Mist was like if it was truly great rather than merely good, you should read Man Without Qualities. Lampsman have you ever read The Worm Ouroboros, it's actually pretty cool for a fantasy book because it was written in 1920 by a british public servant who was a scholar of old Norse in his spare time.
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Well why us it named after a Greek concept, you dunce?
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In conclusion, Alan Moore is a man of contrasts.
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Watchmen is bad That's my hot Alan Moore take
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Nice obit / retrospective on Harlan Ellison:https://newrepublic.com/article/149489/harlan-ellisons-death-raises-metoo-quandary posted:To be sure, even in his best work, Ellison was a limited writer with a narrow emotional and tonal range. He could do rage, terror, and alienation very well, with hectoring and loud stories that mirrored the 1960s countercultural rage at the establishment. But there was little in Ellison’s work of empathy, friendship or love. He had no gift for conveying delicate shades of feeling. It’s not surprising that Doctorow speaks of loving Ellison’s work as an adolescent. In general, Ellison is a writer whose readership leans heavily on people who read him as a teen and often outgrew him. As Tim Hodler of The Comics Journal noted, Ellison “was a perfect writer to discover in middle school or junior high.” Ouch. Because my teen years were when I was into Ellison. You can get into terrible fantasy novels about dragons and prophecies or you feel superior and get into angry young man fiction, and I did the second.
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i stick the sword up my rear end and any man who can draw it is the once and future king of the book barn
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nonathlon posted:Nice obit / retrospective on Harlan Ellison: that piece makes more sense when you realize it was written by sentient bowel of unflavoured oatmeal jeet heer
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Clipperton posted:that piece makes more sense when you realize it was written by sentient bowel of unflavoured oatmeal jeet heer It's a good piece and he's correct
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nonathlon posted:Nice obit / retrospective on Harlan Ellison: i've read exactly one short story collection from ellison but lmao heaven forbid that something lacks love or empathy what a jag-off
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I understand that goons shun it in art.
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Oxxidation posted:i've read exactly one short story collection from ellison but lmao heaven forbid that something lacks love or empathy heer was very concerned about upholding nazis' right to not get punched back when that was the issue du jour, he's about as wet as they come also he's flat-out wrong, try reading "jeffty is five" and tell me there's no love or empathy in Ellison's stuff. jfc
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I have no specific insights into the emotional or moral core behind his work but everything I read by him was really bad and I don't care that he's dead
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There is a general sci-fi thread, you know.
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Clipperton posted:sentient bowel
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Very tempting name change. not intentional but i stand by it
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botl do harlan ellison nextOxxidation posted:i've read exactly one short story collection from ellison but lmao heaven forbid that something lacks love or empathy if an artist's emotional palette is limited to one emotion he is probably not a good artist chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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chernobyl kinsman posted:if an artist's emotional palette is limited to one emotion he is probably not a good artist Someone name-checked "Jeffty is Five" above, which I'd forgotten about and is a sentimental and sad story, while being a good story. But still, there's an awful lot of angry men in Ellison's work, given to scathing monologues, like every character is Holden Caulfield grown up, and somehow not avoided by everyone for being really uptight and pissed off all the time.
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nonathlon posted:But still, there's an awful lot of angry men in Ellison's work, given to scathing monologues, like every character is Holden Caulfield grown up, and somehow not avoided by everyone for being really uptight and pissed off all the time. On the other hand, Kercher Crowstairs in "All The Lies That Are My Life" is Ellison in all but name, and Crowstairs is a monstrous pain in the rear end to everyone who knows him with very few redeeming features besides his talent.
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Clipperton posted:On the other hand, Kercher Crowstairs in "All The Lies That Are My Life" is Ellison in all but name, and Crowstairs is a monstrous pain in the rear end to everyone who knows him with very few redeeming features besides his talent. Fair point. Although (from old memory) he does get a huge number of women, is smarter and more quick-tongued than anyone and everyone is in awe of his talent. Which takes a little shine off the honesty. Reading Lud-in-the-mist at the moment. It's a bit slow and the writing is mannered but certainly no worse than Lord of the Rings.
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nonathlon posted:certainly no worse than Lord of the Rings. damning praise lol
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Do you do any genre fiction in this thread that isn't sci-fi or fantasy? Would you do a Raymond Chandler book or one of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe novels, for instance? I think that might be interesting to read.
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Why not, though? Surely there must be plenty of things to say about, say (off the top of my head), Red Dragon or The Black Dahlia or Rum Punch? Why single out the sci-fi and fantasy stuff?
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Ideological purity.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Why not, though? Surely there must be plenty of things to say about, say (off the top of my head), Red Dragon or The Black Dahlia or Rum Punch? Why single out the sci-fi and fantasy stuff? because goons don't obsess about any of that poo poo half as much as they do about sci-fi and fantasy and it is desperately necessary to provide some kind of counterbalance to that
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I just think crime novels and detective stories are more interesting and entertaining than most science-fiction and fantasy. 
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No one cares. BotL isn’t here to cater to your whims.
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Oh do an 'urban fantasy' novel I've never read any so no suggestions, what do goons like??
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chernobyl kinsman posted:because goons don't obsess about any of that poo poo half as much as they do about sci-fi and fantasy and it is desperately necessary to provide some kind of counterbalance to that thank u for ur service
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chernobyl kinsman posted:because goons don't obsess about any of that poo poo half as much as they do about sci-fi and fantasy and it is desperately necessary to provide some kind of counterbalance to that Deliver us from goonlords.
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You know what would be perfect for the BotL treatment? Harry Turtledove.
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CountFosco posted:You know what would be perfect for the BotL treatment? Harry Turtledove. I think Turtledove falls into the Ready Player One category where it's already the conventional wisdom here that his books are bad.
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my bony fealty posted:Oh do an 'urban fantasy' novel 
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less laughter posted:No one cares. BotL isn’t here to cater to your whims. I didn't think I was suggesting otherwise.
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You click on a thread with the words sci-fi and fantasy in the title and then post:Wheat Loaf posted:I just think crime novels and detective stories are more interesting and entertaining than most science-fiction and fantasy. So you’re just trolling and derailing the thread. Please don’t, it’s not appreciated.
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also hannibal lecter and all that poo poo is boring as hell. its not even fun to make fun of. at least i can laugh at the seven sages of crystal magic or whatever
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chernobyl kinsman posted:It's a good piece and he's correct It's not even a criticism of Ellison! Even if you like his work, it's absolutely fair to say that he has limited emotional range. Wheat Loaf posted:I just think crime novels and detective stories are more interesting and entertaining than most science-fiction and fantasy. Do it yourself.
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