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Raskolnikov38 posted:and now we turn to Centrists Through Time centrist: consolidate the jewish data centers nazi: sir these are concentration camps
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Jazerus posted:centrist: consolidate the jewish data centers centrist: let me tell you what international business machines can do for you
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and now we turn to Centrists Through Time If you say you want to abolish the Gestapo, you're just going to make more people vote for Hitler. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and now we turn to Centrists Through Time the nyt was insanely blasé about the whole hitler/nazi thing
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Majorian posted:He actually wasn't making GBS threads on Obrador at all; it's a bullshit sensationalist headline that people ITT apparently bought hook line and sinker. This is kind of funny because the headline is actually correct, and you likely saw the twitter response saying the headline is wrong. So there's like three levels here - the people who just read the headline, the people who read the twitter comments and thought they were more clever than the former (like you in this post), and people who actually watched the segment. He does in fact compare AMLO to Trump in the video, pretty explicitly. The rhetorical sleight of hand is that Oliver compares AMLO with Bernie Sanders and then immediately afterwards compares him with Trump, indirectly creating the association in people's minds. Namely, there's the identification of all three as "populists," and comparing Sanders (and other leftists) to Trump through calling both "populist" is a big thing the liberal-affiliated media likes to do. Of course, in reality AMLO actually isn't much like Bernie Sanders, because unlike Sanders there isn't much indicating he actually has leftist/socialist beliefs and policy positions. So my biggest issue with the video is drawing the Sanders/Trump comparison (plus seemingly giving the center-right guy a far more positive presentation - he jokes about him, but there isn't the same "THIS GUY IS LIKE TRUMP!" aspect). Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 06:46 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Majorian posted:He actually wasn't making GBS threads on Obrador at all; it's a bullshit sensationalist headline that people ITT apparently bought hook line and sinker. He absolutely does tho
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https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/1013741618996932608 People who want to win elections? no wonder the Dems are so shook
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john oliver sucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaG4qz2T3QI there's a bunch of other segments jimmy dore does covering john oliver smearing jill stein
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Speaking of the media using "Populist" as a smear, Citations Needed's last cast covered this.
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comedyblissoption posted:john oliver sucks jill stein also sucks though
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comedyblissoption posted:john oliver sucks I couldn't really imagine anyone saying "it is to Clinton's campaign what the border wall is to Donald Trump's" because no one could name anything she seriously stood for. https://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/493924325/inside-hillary-clintons-stump-speech-annotated Her first policy proposal is 1,058 words into her speech, investing in jobs through infrastructure, which pretty much every politician proposes, so I mentally skip over that. "We're going to try to make community college free", something that has already been done in my state where Republicans heavily control all three branches of government, appears next at 1,472 words. "So I have proposed a moratorium for three years on student debt so you can actually get a business off the ground, get it started, make your future." appears after that, at 1,637 words. Immediately afterward, she spends nine words on the topic of a minimum wage, "I also believe we should raise the national minimum wage." By 2,108 words, she's made clear she supports laws so that women will know if their employers are not compensating them as well as their male coworkers for the exact same work. "And so how are we going to fund this?" comes up at some point, something you might have wondered while furrowing your brow at that student debt moratorium. "I'll tell you. We're going where the money is. We're going to the people who have made the money in the last 15 years. We're going to the top 1, 10 percent, the millionaires, the billionaires." Then there's some campaigning against Trump, then her universal pre-K policy appears at 2,329 words. It's only halfway through but I'm done galenanorth has issued a correction as of 07:50 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Yinlock posted:jill stein also sucks though
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It'd be convenient if this guy offered citation link annotations when he said that Hillary Clinton and Alan Greenspan had a conversation where both confessed they did not understand concepts such as derivatives, because I searched for that and nothing came up within the first two pages of "alan greenspan hillary clinton conversation derivatives complicated", but that's not something anyone does. Edit: Let's see if I understand this, based on this 2013 article by PBS journalist Paul Solmon. The Federal Reserve creates money in order to stimulate the economy, increasing inflation to get it out of people's savings and back into the economy. They use a 2% inflation target so that "people won’t much notice the diminution in value", as Paul Solmon says, or as I say, people generally don't notice being nickeled and dimed. They use it to buy mortgage-backed securities, worthless mortgages, from the banks, when they could be using it for something else like buying student loans. They created $4 trillion by 2013, up from $800 million in October 2007. Even with an extremely high debt-to-GDP ratio, the deficit doesn't matter because the Federal Reserve could be using that money for bailing out the U.S. government instead. I think what Jon Oliver may have meant by saying that the President "can't" tell the Federal Reserves what to do "because it'd be dangerous" is that Republicans, in turn, could respond by saying it's now all right to use all that money for tax cuts for the wealthy, and then instead of trying out the "fiscal straitjacket" or "starve-the-beast" strategy on increasing the government debt until the government has to shut down, they'd be doing it with the amount of money the Federal Reserves can create to reach their 2% inflation target instead. Maybe they'd even raise inflation in excess of it to further tie the next administration's hands. Basically, it's seems to be equivocating Democrat and Republican policies as all "just politics", and it's the same logic that's going to lead to Trump having two Supreme Court appointments. The sentiment also assumes that the Federal Reserves' activities are nonpolitical and untouchable, no matter the purposes for which they used the $4 trillion. Edit: Robert Auerbach, Professor of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin, points out that the Federal Reserve isn't even nonpolitical in the first place, because its policies have switched course under several presidents before. galenanorth has issued a correction as of 10:59 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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comedyblissoption posted:john oliver sucks yeah John Oliver is total trash he's right about charter schools being dog poo poo
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https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1013946962343874568?s=19 That's not a particularly attractive color for drywall, but who am I to judge?
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:
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Yeah, it looks like foccaccia al pomodoro ran through a couple generations of Americanization.
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re: the bernie doesn't care about abortion twet https://twitter.com/nationalparke/status/1013896927149219842 oops, forgot the succ https://twitter.com/ducky_krupnik/status/1013920816826933249
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Condiv posted:re: the bernie doesn't care about abortion twet How can people be this stupid, seriously?
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Nothing anyone does counts as doing anything because it can always be negotiated down to nothing as the limit of bullshit approaches infinity.Paul Solmon posted:Most of the money the Fed has created — “out of thin air,” as Fedophobes like to declaim — is right back at the Fed in the form of deposits by banks. So it turns out that, for purposes of targeting 2% inflation alone, they could even be creating a lot less money than they are now, since they have to pay the banks not to circulate it. galenanorth has issued a correction as of 12:18 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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I like that this thread can poo poo all over Hillary Clinton and Democrats and people generally don’t speak out. but John Oliver is a bridge too far for some lurkers. edit: clarified statement of gently caress John Oliver. Dirk Pitt has issued a correction as of 12:33 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Dirk Pitt posted:I like that this thread can poo poo all over Hillary Clinton and Democrats and people generally don’t speak out. but John Oliver is a bridge too far. what gently caress john oliver btw
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Goa Tse-tung posted:what no I agree, gently caress John Oliver, but out of nowhere a John Oliver defender or two appears. edit: I didn’t phrase the initial statement very well. Dirk Pitt has issued a correction as of 12:32 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Ytlaya posted:There was a good episode of Citations Needed where they talked about the liberal media's tendency to discuss and highlight problems, but always ignore actually solving them (or come up with excuses to postpone solving them or electing people who would). Oliver's show is a good example of this formula, where he highlights various serious problems, but that's it. Things never reach the next stage where you're actually advocating change to fix those problems. It's a very cynical (and unfortunately effective with a large subset of liberals) strategy that creates the illusion that they care about these issues, and people naturally assume that this means they'll do something to fix them. But they won't; they'll just keep in being concerned about them and commissioning more research, while never actually taking action. loving thank you for this. There was always something that bugged me about his "bring up a new problem every episode and never discuss the previous problems" strategy and I could never put my finger on it, but this is it exactly, he never proposes what people should do about the problems.
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This is one of the ways the dems are fuckin' up bad. This is a left wing initiative by SK and Moon's doing most of the actual work, but the dems aren't using that to discredit Trump, they take his word that he's actually making peace and then get upset about it. I mean we all fuckin' know why, it's cause they're just tools of the MIC too. But this is an issue with a clear left flank they're just ignoring, and Trump actually making peace with NK isn't going to be seen by the US as a bad thing, no matter what the deranged people in the DC/NOVA area think.
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Here's how it feels to live 121 miles from Kim Jong Un BY JULIA DA SILVA July 02, 2018 09:44 AM Updated July 02, 2018 09:44 AM Rewind to 2013. It’s the day after Christmas and I’m 23 and boarding a 15-hour flight to Seoul where I will spend the next year teaching English. I’ve never been to Korea, I do not speak Korean, and I do not know any Korean people. I am alone and anxious, but my wanderlust fuels this “exotic” post-college adventure. The recent meeting of Trump and Kim Jong Un pushed me back in time to my year abroad—and not to the memories of drinking soju at the noraebang (Korean karaoke room). Everyone thought it was wild for me to willingly move 121 miles from Pyonyang. Why should I move to a place regularly burdened by threats and missile tests from their northern neighbor? I just convinced myself that the 25 million people in Seoul knew something that I didn’t, otherwise they wouldn’t stay. When I arrived in Seoul, I began to investigate South Koreans’ perceptions of North Korea. Were they afraid? Did they think a world war would break out? Was peace possible? I was surprised at their responses. “He’s just a bully, but he’s not dumb enough to try anything.” “We’ve been dealing with the threat of North Korea for years. At some point, we have to move on with our lives.” Some spoke of friends with family divided among the countries and their desire for reunification. People called Kim “evil.” They acknowledged his “Reign of Terror,” but still believed he should be ignored, written off as nothing more than a nuisance to the country and its people. Of course, this was not a reliable or valid research study. It was just my experience and the thoughts and beliefs of the young people with whom I interacted. But I believe it provided a more realistic perspective than what is aired on American media. I bought into what my Korean friends believed and felt, and I even forgot North Korea existed at times. That is, until my parents would text me about something they heard on the news back home and ask if I was OK. While I could not read Korean newspapers, not once had I heard about any threats or attacks while in South Korea from Korean friends or coworkers. Now, I’m back in the U.S. and back to watching the stories on the news and I’m scared. Based on my conversations with my Korean friends, I perceive their fear is rising and their feelings are different now than they were in 2014. I believe much of it is due to the increased legitimacy given to Kim Jong Un, but I wonder how much is related to his new relationship with our president. Things I never thought could happen have happened under the Trump administration, and I don’t underestimate Trump’s willingness to make decisions that serve only himself and endanger millions of lives. Any negotiation or partnership with North Korea makes me fear for the future of what was once my home and the people I love who live there. It can be easy to forget horrors happening across the globe when it’s not personal. Rather than wait to offer our thoughts and prayers in the aftermath, we must take action now to prevent escalation and destruction. I will be watching this new relationship very closely because this, to me, is personal.
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Seriously, spread this poo poo around. The amount of paternalistic drivel I keep seeing from Liberals over Korea is sickening.
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