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quite stretched out posted:they're suicidal and about to jump, its so that when they struggle both the rescuer and rescuee dont fall, and so that the others can help pull up the rescuer while he holds on I think it's obvious that's the situation, I believe he's asking what the OSHA issue is
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Shoes and bags? But I thought they were all found alive. 
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Apex Rogers posted:The rescuer appears to be tethered; what's the problem here? Risk to the rescuee? yes, what if he bumped her off without a good hold on her?
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Jul 3, 2018 08:14
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I glazed over this graphic a few times:  Then I noticed the scale in the bottom corner. It's insane that they managed to even find them.
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Jul 3, 2018 08:32
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Are those just the branches that were explored or is the system more complicated than that single lines makes it appear?
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Mistle posted:Actually the WWII Nazis(not to be confused with the clown show ones faffing about America today) kept meticulous records involving administered substances and schedules. Even discounting any pharmaceutical knowledge gained, the systemic, scheduled starvation and rationing of subjects produced a non-trivial amount of dietary information, and also helped establish the current 2,000 calorie diet we have today.
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spog posted:I glazed over this graphic a few times: Pattaya Beach
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Jul 3, 2018 08:50
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This is the same level of analysis as “lower the road”, but dig an adit.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Pattaya Beach It is apparently a nickname for a large chamber in the cave system
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GotLag posted:It is apparently a nickname for a large chamber in the cave system Where all the water is 
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Jul 3, 2018 09:12
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How did their coach miss the loving monsoon approaching? At least he has to stay there feeling dumb for months until the last kid gets evacuated.
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Jul 3, 2018 09:26
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How wide is the path out? They walked there so can't be as bad as cave diving paths? And as for not being able to swim, that's normally only a problem when you're trying to stay above water. Just give them all scuba tanks+masks and walk out?
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Jul 3, 2018 09:29
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Ak Gara posted:How wide is the path out? They walked there so can't be as bad as cave diving paths? cavedivinggrimreaper.svg
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Ak Gara posted:How wide is the path out? They walked there so can't be as bad as cave diving paths? This will 100% end up with all of them dead, possibly some of the rescuers too.
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Volcott posted:cavedivinggrimreaper.svg To expound a bit: the danger isn't just about the confined space but also the loss of spatial orientation, the inability to surface if someone goes wrong, a total lack of visibility when dirt gets kicked up, etc., and so on. Experienced divers have died in situations less perilous than this one. Also, there's the bit where we're not talking about healthy adults but kids who've spent the last nine days starving in a soaked cave. Forget about attempting difficult diving feats; they probably aren't stable enough to risk a light jog.
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Skippy McPants posted:To expound a bit: the danger isn't just about the confined space but also the loss of spatial orientation, the inability to surface if someone goes wrong, a total lack of visibility when dirt gets kicked up, etc., and so on. Experienced divers have died in situations less perilous than this one. And apparantly, none of the kids knows how to swim.
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Also, some of the stuff they've moved through is too narrow for a diver wearing an oxygen tank, which would make it incredibly tough to escort a panicked, scared, non-diver through.
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Wtf is even in a cave that would make that poo poo worth it Just, yknow, stay out of there
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aphid_licker posted:Wtf is even in a cave that would make that poo poo worth it A maze of twisty little passages, all alike. e: Dumb-asses should've just said xyzzy SMDH.
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Skippy McPants posted:To expound a bit: the danger isn't just about the confined space but also the loss of spatial orientation, the inability to surface if someone goes wrong, a total lack of visibility when dirt gets kicked up, etc., and so on. Experienced divers have died in situations less perilous than this one.
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The rains and accumulated water also damaged the passages and filled them with debris. What might have been a 3 foot wide passage on the way in could now be a 14 inch wide opening that a person can barely force through. Maybe with the rest clogged with lose mud that could collapse at any moment, too. If you look for "caving squeeze" you'll get some insane videos that will trigger most folks' claustrophobia and those aren't underwater in 0 visibility dragging a scuba tank and a kid.
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Jul 3, 2018 12:19
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It sounds like they are worried about rising waters and are seriously considering masking them up and pulling them out
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Yeah, it's going to be down (in order of probability)waiting out the monsoon season, followed by pumping the place dry, then drilling in to get them, and finally using the house atomics to take the top off the mountain. For whatever it's worth, I hope that their coach (or whichever notionally responsible adult got them into this lovely situation) survives to be handed the bill for the rescue effort. e: Maybe if they drugged/sedated folks and then essentially drag an inert object with a full-face respirator through? Except for the coach, again, that moron deserves some time in the naughty chair. IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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ChesterJT posted:I think it's obvious that's the situation, I believe he's asking what the OSHA issue is of course i'd like to offer up a long brainless day at work as my defence
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IPCRESS posted:For whatever it's worth, I hope that their coach (or whichever notionally responsible adult got them into this lovely situation) survives to be handed the bill for the rescue effort. I say leave him in the cave
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Jul 3, 2018 12:37
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Is there a reason they can't tie a rope at both ends?At the very least that should make it easier to move supplies, and with a tether potentially some people.
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Jul 3, 2018 12:39
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*falls in a cave* *grabs the nearest child skeleton and begins shaking it wildly* my nigga have you tried rope??
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Jul 3, 2018 12:45
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pretty sure admitting he was the dumbass who trapped kids under the mountain like an idiot will be punishment enough and the focus should be on getting them all out
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Jul 3, 2018 12:45
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The whole situation made a lot more sense once I heard that the coach is only 25. I mean, he absolutely should have known better, but that's still within the demographic of people who might be somewhat more likely to do dumb stuff like get stuck in caves.
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Jul 3, 2018 12:55
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just a normal soccer coach taking a bunch of young boys in to an isolated cave
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Jul 3, 2018 13:02
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He's also probably the only reason they're still alive now after he realised how hosed they were.
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Actias posted:The whole situation made a lot more sense once I heard that the coach is only 25. I mean, he absolutely should have known better, but that's still within the demographic of people who might be somewhat more likely to do dumb stuff like get stuck in caves. He's a football coach, not an adult.
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spog posted:I glazed over this graphic a few times: The estimate I saw on the news was they're 2 kilometers from the cave entrance and 800-1000 meters below ground.
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Jul 3, 2018 13:18
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Powershift posted:Why don't they just lower the water. Or raise the cave.
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Jul 3, 2018 13:21
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Drill into the mountain from below and flood the fields.
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Jul 3, 2018 13:23
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Pump air into the cave until it shoves all the water out.
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Ak Gara posted:And as for not being able to swim, that's normally only a problem when you're trying to stay above water. Because its 2 kilometres of flooded caves. Pitch black. Zero visibility even with lights. With very young children. None of whom is able to swim. Being dragged along for 2 kilometres where, if the slightest thing goes wrong, they die.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Because its 2 kilometres of flooded caves. im willing to let them take that risk
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blow up the goddamn mountain!
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Just wait for poles to switch so the water will drain out.
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