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Condiv posted:how does making sure israel never faces consequences for any lovely thing they do seem like we're helping the peace process? american credibility has run out since camp david for sure
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third intifada when?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:third intifada when? the weapons shipments get throough. Also the reason why you need a third one
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Condiv posted:can someone explain to me why we give billions of dollars of aid to palestine while also making sure its citizens are bombed and slaughtered as mercilessly as possible? because the Palestinian Authority are collaborators with Israel, so it's actually advantageous to Israel to prop them up. if the PA fell, the West Bank would just end up under the control of Hamas or Islamic Jihad instead, and the settlements are very intermingled with Palestinian villages israel puts a lot of pressure on the PA to keep them weak and compliant, but they don't actually want the PA gone* - it plays a critical role in suppressing other Palestinian movements that are more confrontational toward Israel *note that this clashes with the official political rhetoric, which presents the PA as Nazis 2.0 for racist reasons. it's hard to tell how many people are trumpeting the rhetoric as rhetoric and how many people actually believe it
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Main Paineframe posted:*note that this clashes with the official political rhetoric, which presents the PA as Nazis 2.0 for racist reasons. it's hard to tell how many people are trumpeting the rhetoric as rhetoric and how many people actually believe it america is currently falling apart because it started electing a lot of the people who actually believed in the bad faith propaganda instead of realizing it was a con so I can't wait for this to also happen in Israel
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america is basically bribing the israelis and palestinians to not slaughter each other.
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qkkl posted:america is basically bribing the israelis and palestinians to not slaughter each other. nope
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listen, nobody ever said it was working
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I guess it's technically true in the sense that they're not slaughtering each other, and that the slaughter only goes one way.
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It's much cleaner if the Palestinians just get genocided quietly without rocking the boat.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess it's technically true in the sense that they're not slaughtering each other, and that the slaughter only goes one way. well, they're bribing the israelis to not unilaterally slaughter the palestinians, and giving aid to the palestinians so their lives aren't so horrific that they do another intifada and waste all the bribe money sent to israel.
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qkkl posted:well, they're bribing the israelis to not unilaterally slaughter the palestinians, and giving aid to the palestinians so their lives aren't so horrific that they do another intifada and waste all the bribe money sent to israel. You don't understand the situation. Feel free to shut up and learn though.
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qkkl posted:well, they're bribing the israelis to not unilaterally slaughter the palestinians, and giving aid to the palestinians so their lives aren't so horrific that they do another intifada and waste all the bribe money sent to israel. no, they're bribing the Israelis to keep buying US tanks and missiles to slaughter the Palestinians with, and they're propping up a corrupt Palestinian dictator to prevent the Palestinians from mounting an effective unified resistance
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Main Paineframe posted:no, they're bribing the Israelis to keep buying US tanks and missiles to slaughter the Palestinians with, and they're propping up a corrupt Palestinian dictator to prevent the Palestinians from mounting an effective unified resistance the US is both bribing Israel and subsidizing it's own military industrial complex. US funds pay for a majority of the iron dome system, without which Israel would probably invade Gaza to stop the rocket attacks, which would inevitably lead to more Palestinian deaths.
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"stop the rocket attacks" lol stfu you're actually stupid enough to say that america is actively preventing palestinians deaths? Israel will implode if they change strategy from the long term genocide of palestinians to anything more overt. The IDF is a shell of what it was, see Southern Lebanon circa 2006. Turns out just killing civilians for years has a real effect on the war preparedness of a standing army. Southpaugh has issued a correction as of 16:54 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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lmao accurate
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qkkl posted:the US is both bribing Israel and subsidizing it's own military industrial complex. US funds pay for a majority of the iron dome system, without which Israel would probably invade Gaza to stop the rocket attacks, which would inevitably lead to more Palestinian deaths. lol you maaaay want to look up why the last Israeli "cut-the-grass" operation ended. here's a hint. it wasn't them being afraid America might stop paying for them.
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Southpaugh posted:"stop the rocket attacks" america wants stability in the middle east because oil is very important to the US economy. it doesn't want a repeat of the oil crisis. preventing palestinian deaths is a a means to an end for america to prevent more wars that could lead to more oil embargoes.
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qkkl posted:america wants stability in the middle east because oil is very important to the US economy. it doesn't want a repeat of the oil crisis. preventing palestinian deaths is a a means to an end for america to prevent more wars that could lead to more oil embargoes. Nope nope nope nope Not even a goddamn little bit. Where are you getting this from or is this your personal take?
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qkkl posted:america wants stability in the middle east because oil is very important to the US economy. it doesn't want a repeat of the oil crisis. preventing palestinian deaths is a a means to an end for america to prevent more wars that could lead to more oil embargoes. your rapsheet owns qkkl posted:And is it bad? Lots of first world countries have participated in eugenics, and they did it for practical purposes. In Israel's case it was deemed necessary because culturally Ethiopians believed that having lots of kids was good, even if you couldn't support them. This belief is incompatible with Israel's desire to be a first world country. One could argue that teaching kids from a young age that it's bad to have kids that you can't support is a form of eugenics.
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lol the eugenics defender thinks america still has a functioning foreign policy strategy
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Southpaugh posted:Nope nope nope nope care to explain why you think america is obsessed with the middle east? i'm sure america formed a massive international coalition to free oil-rich Kuwait solely for humanitarian purposes.
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Jose posted:your rapsheet owns HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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noted oil exporter, israel
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There isn't going to be another oil crisis, because all the oil producing states except Syria and Iran have covertly agreed to let Israel occupy Palestine with impunity.
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noted champion of human rights saudi arabia
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qkkl posted:the US is both bribing Israel and subsidizing it's own military industrial complex. US funds pay for a majority of the iron dome system, without which Israel would probably invade Gaza to stop the rocket attacks, which would inevitably lead to more Palestinian deaths. israel has invaded gaza three times over the last decade and it's done precisely fuckall to stop the rocket attacks the point of iron dome is to reduce the political cost (in terms of Israeli civilian casualties) of oppressing Gaza and the US doesn't give a poo poo how many Gazans get blown up by Israeli bombers as long as they keep spending money on US arms
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its going to own bigly when likud tying themselves hand and foot to american antisemites plays out in hilariously predictable ways once the US stops loving around and starts a real land war in asia if only jewish culture had a cautionary tale about this golem they've helped create
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qkkl posted:care to explain why you think america is obsessed with the middle east? i'm sure america formed a massive international coalition to free oil-rich Kuwait solely for humanitarian purposes. president carter? posting here?
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qkkl posted:america wants stability in the middle east because oil is very important to the US economy. it doesn't want a repeat of the oil crisis. high oil prices would be the best thing to happen to the US economy since ww2 you loving numbskull there have been a few developments in extraction tech since 2000, you see, furthermore;
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Jose posted:your rapsheet owns lol, I can remember so few specific posts but this one was a blast from the past
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qkkl posted:And is it bad? Lots of first world countries have participated in eugenics, and they did it for practical purposes. In Israel's case it was deemed necessary because culturally Ethiopians believed that having lots of kids was good, even if you couldn't support them. This belief is incompatible with Israel's desire to be a first world country. One could argue that teaching kids from a young age that it's bad to have kids that you can't support is a form of eugenics. ....WOW
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Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine
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That's real shocking, given Netanyahu's open support for Nazis in the U.S. "NO LIKE NAZI!? ANTI-SEMITE!!"- the American far-right [pretending it's the left, right and centre]
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Do today's neo-nazis officially recognize ashkenazi jews as white, or "close enough" aryan? Cuz it seems like modern neo-nazi focus is anti-brown/muslim.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Do today's neo-nazis officially recognize ashkenazi jews as white, or "close enough" aryan? Cuz it seems like modern neo-nazi focus is anti-brown/muslim. They absofuckinglutely do not. It's just the only people who want the Jews out of europe/na more than nazis are likud supporters.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Do today's neo-nazis officially recognize ashkenazi jews as white, or "close enough" aryan? Cuz it seems like modern neo-nazi focus is anti-brown/muslim. no, but they like that the jews are self-segregating themselves, and they respect their military capabilities now. so they tolerate their existence as long as they stay on their own side of the fence.
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yeah likud and the parties in its coalition arent the kind to give a poo poo about the jewish diaspora unless 1. they're finacially suppporting israel or 2. moving to israel (only if they are european jews. no african jews pls)
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Do today's neo-nazis officially recognize ashkenazi jews as white, or "close enough" aryan? Cuz it seems like modern neo-nazi focus is anti-brown/muslim. it depends, as modern neo-Nazis are by no means a unified force generally, neo-Nazis are still anti-Semitic, but regard Muslims and Arabs as a far bigger threat. also, remember that anti-Semitism doesn't necessarily mean being anti-Israel. neo-Nazis are typically more concerned with ethnically cleansing their own country than with genociding all non-whites worldwide, and therefore the existence of Israel is rather convenient for them. also, they often admire Israel's blatant ethnostate and rising fascism, and wish that their own country was as dedicated to racism as Israel is
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