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mllaneza posted:The divers had to stage tanks to get in, so to SCUBA the kids out they'd have to change tanks. That's dangerous. From my reading, it sounds like they're only preparing for getting the kids out like this if there is no other choice, which is probably the right call, as terrible as it is for them to have to survive down there for months.
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mobby_6kl posted:Holy poo poo. I just recently did a PADI open water diver course and the thought of diving in a cave like that is loving terrifying. It's still not really clear how long and deep the flooded parts are but the air tanks have pretty limited capacities even at low depths so it could be quite challenging to make it through if it's really like 2km long. Good thing I never had the time to get into those caves when I was in northern Thailand a few years ago. I'm PADI certed in Search and Recovery, Wreck, and Ice diving and you can not pay me enough to cave dive. That poo poo is insane.
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Jul 3, 2018 19:37
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Powershift posted:okay, go 1 foot, and leave the coach and fat kids in there. When I think "fat kids" I definitely think destitute sports athletes trapped in a cave with no food for weeks
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Jul 3, 2018 19:42
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People are neutrally buoyant so you have to be really fuckin dumb to drown All those people who ever drowned? Morons, every one of them and it's good that they're dead
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Jul 3, 2018 19:49
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The Bloop posted:When I think "fat kids" I definitely think destitute sports athletes trapped in a cave with no food for weeks You're right, the fat kids would be the first to be eaten
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Jul 3, 2018 20:01
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aphid_licker posted:People are neutrally buoyant so you have to be really fuckin dumb to drown Fat goon spotted
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Jul 3, 2018 20:03
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An underground stream that measures no more than a couple feet wide counts as a cave right? I bet these maniacs could do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlwoX1YEmg
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Jul 3, 2018 20:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1iaa04rCf0 "If I'm scaring you a bit, good."
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Jul 3, 2018 20:20
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:An underground stream that measures no more than a couple feet wide counts as a cave right? I bet these maniacs could do it.  Here's a bigger map of the cave, supposedly they're around point 39: 
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Jul 3, 2018 20:28
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Seems like a reasonable place to take a bunch of children without any kind of protective gear or adequate training. mmmm yep.
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Jul 3, 2018 20:31
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Powershift posted:okay, go 1 foot, and leave the coach and fat kids in there. It's been 10 days. They probably ate the fat kids.
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Jul 3, 2018 20:58
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The Bloop posted:When I think "fat kids" I definitely think destitute sports athletes trapped in a cave with no food for weeks Someone has to be the keeper
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Jul 3, 2018 21:10
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Seems like a reasonable place to take a bunch of children without any kind of protective gear or adequate training. mmmm yep. Under normal conditions plenty of caves can be pretty easy to walk through and look cool. It probably wasn't something really technical to navigate until the water level rose, at which point the way out is no longer as straightforward. Here's part of a rad cave I got to check out in Japan and there were a whole bunch of children and olds walking through it.  
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Jul 3, 2018 21:17
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This is only tangentially OSHA, but all this talk of cave diving reminded me of Shadow Divers, a book about a group of wreck divers who found an unidentified U-boat off the coast of New Jersey in 1991 and tried to dive into the wreck to identify it. It's an interesting read, and deals with not only the challenges and dangers of wreck diving (especially deep water diving on air, the wreck was at a depth of 70m, nitrogen narcosis territory) but also touches on cave diving, and the very OSHA method one of the divers used to make his own breathing gas mixes since this all happened before gas mixtures like Trimix were readily available. I'm a very infrequent recreational diver, but I think would be an interesting read even for non-divers, it builds a compelling narrative around the central subjects, uses accessible language, and explains all the core concepts and principles of diving well.
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Jul 3, 2018 21:32
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I'm a white guy from the south and can't swim and know almost no one who can, it's an extremely reliable marker of parental income around here.
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Jul 3, 2018 21:40
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Since we're talking about cave diving, I might as well post about Bushman's Hole.
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shame on an IGA posted:I'm a white guy from the south and can't swim and know almost no one who can, it's an extremely reliable marker of parental income around here. If I hadn't grown up across the street from a neighbor with an inground pool, my parents probably would have had to pay for swim lessons for me. And I don't know if they would have been able to.
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Jul 3, 2018 22:09
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they could just form some kind of mole society if the girls' volleyball team also gets trapped
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Jul 3, 2018 22:21
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No discussion of trapped cavers would be complete without mentioning the guy who got stuck in Utah's Nutty Putty cave. This story makes me claustrophobic every time I read about it. https://imgur.com/gallery/nK4Y9
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Jul 3, 2018 22:29
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what ever happened to ted?
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Jul 3, 2018 22:42
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SniperWoreConverse posted:what ever happened to ted? He's here I think: http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Ted_the_Caver I think the worst part is that picture of him on a very narrow hole, otherwise eh.
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Jul 3, 2018 22:48
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xergm posted:No discussion of trapped cavers would be complete without mentioning the guy who got stuck in Utah's Nutty Putty cave. Got him loose. Gave him some water, some pizza, let him call his wife. Dropped him back in the hole. Jesus gently caress. Should have broke his legs.
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Jul 3, 2018 22:48
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maybe exploring caves is some kind of fetish, trying to relive that experience when you got pushed out of the birth canal.
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Jul 3, 2018 22:52
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mike12345 posted:maybe exploring caves is some kind of fetish, trying to relive that experience when you got pushed out of the birth canal. more like going in in your mom
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wasn't there some case of a dude going cave diving and dying, then the guy who went in to get his body out got stuck as well and died I have no idea why the gently caress you'd ever want to cave dive
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ATP_Power posted:This is only tangentially OSHA, but all this talk of cave diving reminded me of Shadow Divers, a book about a group of wreck divers who found an unidentified U-boat off the coast of New Jersey in 1991 and tried to dive into the wreck to identify it. I really like that book, it's got a lot of really fascinating information on diving and the divers themselves.
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Jul 3, 2018 23:08
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Want to win yourself an easy Darwin Award? Go cave diving. I'm a misanthropic poo poo and as far as I am concerned, the more people who go down a hole and never come back up again the better. Too many motherfuckers out there getting in the way and voting for Imbeciles like Trump. Fewer mouths to feed, fewer asses to clean up after. Always a good thing!
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Do it ironically posted:wasn't there some case of a dude going cave diving and dying, then the guy who went in to get his body out got stuck as well and died 9 posts up my dude.
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Jul 3, 2018 23:18
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Mozi posted:blow up the goddamn mountain! Ah yes the North Korean Nuclear Option...
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Jul 3, 2018 23:33
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LostCosmonaut posted:Since we're talking about cave diving, I might as well post about Bushman's Hole. Worth reading if you want to shout at the screen for a guy who killed himself for absolutely no good reason.
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Jul 3, 2018 23:36
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gory fireworks PSA https://imgur.com/gallery/5KPsNoI
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mike12345 posted:maybe exploring caves is some kind of fetish, trying to relive that experience when you got pushed out of the birth canal.  https://imgur.com/gallery/ZNSaq
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Jul 3, 2018 23:57
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spog posted:I glazed over this graphic a few times: 
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I'm PADI certed in Search and Recovery, Wreck, and Ice diving and you can not pay me enough to cave dive. That poo poo is insane. Look, the big signs telling people they will die if they cave dive here, those are just for show. Now force your dumb rear end through this 18 inch wide crevice with 0 visibility and 1 hour of oxygen and find that child corpse!!!
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tactlessbastard posted:Doesn't seem like much of an obstacle to slapping a mask on them and dragging them behind a diver back to safety. We should get you on a plane asap to Thailand because those guys clearly need your expertise.
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LostCosmonaut posted:Since we're talking about cave diving, I might as well post about Bushman's Hole. im glad you posted this because i was trying to find it and couldnt for the life of me remember which deadly sinkhole cave it was about
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ATP_Power posted:This is only tangentially OSHA, but all this talk of cave diving reminded me of Shadow Divers, a book about a group of wreck divers who found an unidentified U-boat off the coast of New Jersey in 1991 and tried to dive into the wreck to identify it. I'm reminded of a quote from Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson when the guy was talking about a flight plan in comparison to a diving plan. "it takes a whole briefcase full of books and tables and specialized calculators, and access to weather forecasts above and beyond the normal consumer-grade weather forecasts, to come up with even a bad, wrong flight plan that will surely kill you". And then he realises that a deep-sea diving plan is significantly more difficult to figure out.
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starkebn posted:gory fireworks PSA That necrotic finger will be in my nightmares. He's permanently giving the shocker sign.
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Memento posted:I'm reminded of a quote from Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson when the guy was talking about a flight plan in comparison to a diving plan. "it takes a whole briefcase full of books and tables and specialized calculators, and access to weather forecasts above and beyond the normal consumer-grade weather forecasts, to come up with even a bad, wrong flight plan that will surely kill you". And then he realises that a deep-sea diving plan is significantly more difficult to figure out. Yeah, even shallow, open water recreational diving has a lot of hazards that are invisible to the untrained, any penetration dive has all those risks, coupled with a ton more new hazards - and that's when nothing goes wrong. Add to that the risks and challenges of deep water diving on compressed air, and you've got a situation that can kill even highly experienced divers. On air, at those depths, you have to drop down multiple secondary 'stage bottles' of air, and you still only have about 20 minutes of bottom time on the air in your tanks, those stage bottles are for the hours of decompression you have to do going back to the surface to avoid getting the bends. Additionally, while you're down there, you're also dealing with nitrogen narcosis loving up your perceptions and judgement, in addition to entanglement hazards, and an errant flipper kick could stir up muck that reduces your visibility to zero. The Shadow Divers expedition claimed the lives of two highly experienced cave divers.
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Rescuers want to get boys out within a week, before monsoons worsen. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/04/thailand-cave-rescue-divers-may-attempt-to-free-trapped-football-team-this-week-live Includes this amazing quote from a cave diving expert: quote:He suggested that if rescue divers could fit the boys with full-face masks and air bottles “and perhaps restrain them so they can’t move and struggle”, they could be removed “as inert packages”.
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