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So I started playing this game just as the Summer fest kicked off, and I was hoping to get an idea from you guys as to who/where to be focusing on and maybe an evaluation of the equipment I rolled from the events. For reference, I'm in the middle of Book of Trial 5, I'm somewhere in the 60-80 difficultly range, but I bet I could shoot up if I invested some resources, but I'm not sure who to invest in to be in my main team. I've sorta forgotten what I've gotten from what pull and I don't know how to determine if its a 1 or 2 or whatever so I'm just gonna list all my 5 and 6 star relics by name. Curilla - Gluttony Sword (Ultra) Seifer - Almasy Flametongue (Ultra) Noel - Blazing Spirit (Ultra) Beatrix - Apocalypse (Ultra) Raijin - Rajin's Staff (Burst) Luneth - Dragon Lance (Overstrike) Sabin - Avenger (Ultra) Sabin - Godhand (Burst) Aerith - Umbrella (Ultra) Fujin = Fujin's Moon Ring (Overstrike) Fujin - Fujin's Jacket (Super) Tyro - Divine Veil Grimoire (Ultra) Tyro - Sentinel's Grimoire (Unique) Palom - Triton's Dagger (Super) Zidane - Sargatanas (Burst) Zidane - Ninja Gear (LMR) Sephiroth - One-Winged Angel (Unique) Kain - Gungnir (Unique) Fang - Rhomphaia (Burst) Yda - Kaiser Knuckles (Burst) Kiros - Katal (Burst) Vanille - Mistileinn (Burst) Emperor - Meister Rod (Burst) Emperor - Imperial Shell (LMR) Ysayle - Halonic Exorcist's Rod (LMR) Y'shdola - Thyrus (Unique) Braska - High Summoner's Longstaff (Burst) Amarant - Rising Sun (Super) Larsa - Carmagnole (Ultra) Larsa - Princely Raiment (Burst) Tifa - Tifa's Gloves (Ultra) Cloud - Cloud's Gloves (Ultra) Agrias - Kaiser Shield (Unique) Zeid - Scutum (Super) Meia - Cat-ear Cap (Super) Aphmau - Aristocrat's Crown (Burst) Gabranth - Gabranth's Helm (Super) Xezat - Xezat's Helm (Burst) Rufus - Rufus's Jacket (LMR) Rinoa - Rinoa's Guise (Super) Snow - AMP Coat (Burst) Yuna - Summoner's Garb (Burst) Kelger - Kelger's Cloak (LMR) Elarra - Elarra's Guise (Burst) Ricard - Ricard's Cuirass (Super) Arc - White Mage Robe (Super) Aranea - Aranea's Gauntlet (LMR) Maybe a team of like Tyro, Sabin, Emperor, Larsa,Fujin? I dunno. ImPureAwesome fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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You can sorta dismiss your notions of a "main" party because you easily have more than 5 viable characters with all those relics and some content will require adaptation. And as certain soul breaks wax and wane previous A listers will go away and new ones rise(I used to use Yshtola as my main white mage until i got Eikos burst and ultra, then i dropped her like a bad habit) 1 healer, 1 support and 3 damage will carry you through all but the strongest content.
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Jul 4, 2018 10:43
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ImPureAwesome posted:So I started playing this game just as the Summer fest kicked off, and I was hoping to get an idea from you guys as to who/where to be focusing on and maybe an evaluation of the equipment I rolled from the events. For reference, I'm in the middle of Book of Trial 5, I'm somewhere in the 60-80 difficultly range, but I bet I could shoot up if I invested some resources, but I'm not sure who to invest in to be in my main team. You did a good job intuiting your party -- Sabin is going to be your top DPS from now until endgame. Tyro is always amazing. Larsa is definitely going to be your healer. For the other two spots, I'd recommend: Sabin Larsa Tyro Curilla Raijin or Kiros "Why Raijin or Kiros?" the vets are surely asking: because by leveraging BSBs, you won't have to worry about hones at all really until you need to make 5* abilities. Leverage those CMDs. Give your DPS Lifesiphons and maybe a token ability or two, and work on getting your BSBs up and running immediately. You may also want to get something like Ramza's Shout, or, if available, Minfilia/Gladio SSB instead of shout (since you have Haste coming from Tyro). If you went this route you'd have an A-team with native Last Stand which is very powerful. In the meantime, leverage Sabin's BSB and make break/downs for Tyro. Give Curilla some Knight abilities. Work towards making the 5* skill associated with your top DPS (rear end saber for Beatrix, the new Wind spellblade for Cloud, Gaia Rush for Tifa). You have an exceptionally loaded out account and can easily do endgame content with it. Congrats! ceaselessfuture fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Jul 4, 2018 11:13
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An excellent perennial tool. Great, stackable buff, good Ability set, Radiant Shield 100% will fix a lot of problems. A+ USB!
This is one of the best Holy SBs, bar none. S-tier. Dive Beatrix immediately and hone up GB/DC or rear end saber.
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ceaselessfuture posted:Sabin I agree with the SB assessment, and your long-term priorities, but I think this advice might be frustrating as a first-week player because 5* abilities are hard to hone. Sabin's only source of chase comes from Fires Within, Tifa's usb gives Monk Double (which uses abilities twice as fast), Beatrix's chase depends on hones. Here's my *short-term* advice. If you haven't already, get Dr. Mog's Teachings and Mako Might. One goes on Tyro forever. You also want Ramza's Battleforged. These should be your immediate priority in using Crystal II Lodes, you'll get more. I would grab Shout from Book 5, the Last Stand idea is neat though. Your current 5* orb stash is more useful for you when mostly broken down into 4* orbs. They're a renewable resource and you want power now. Get two Lifesiphons to rank 3 and Wrath to rank 4. Stick Wrath and Battleforged on Larsa. You now have an instant full heal every three turns. Enjoy. Get Aerora Strike to R5 (it's cheap) and put it on Cloud. He Lifesiphons up to his USB and spams Aerora Strike and you win. Get Banishing Strike to at least R4 (cheap and useful) and put it on Beatrix. She Lifesiphons up to her USB and spams Banishing Strike and you win. You also want someone carrying Full Break. Unlike most 5*s, it's excellent at R1. Tyro can do it, or Ramza. You really do have an amazing loadout. Enjoy the journey.
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Jul 4, 2018 12:31
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If you literally just started like half of the content in this game can be chumped with OSBs
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Jul 4, 2018 12:48
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Relm BSB/USB, Y'shtola BSB is about the long and short of it. Garnet's two BSBs have some minor healing commands, I suppose. And her BSB2's buff is what I use to stack with Vivi's BSB2 buff, as said above. In the long run you're going to want to use Relm instead of Yshtola with Knight's Charge RM. Also bring an entrust bot and basically just spam her USB for the party-wide instant cast. Yshtola was my primary healer for like a year and a half until I realized she just couldn't keep up with magicite damage without having an instant party-wide heal. Relm also brings that last stand on her bsb which will be nice as a just in case.
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Jul 4, 2018 12:51
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saltylopez posted:In the long run you're going to want to use Relm instead of Yshtola with Knight's Charge RM. Also bring an entrust bot and basically just spam her USB for the party-wide instant cast. Yshtola was my primary healer for like a year and a half until I realized she just couldn't keep up with magicite damage without having an instant party-wide heal. Relm also brings that last stand on her bsb which will be nice as a just in case. What's the best practice when entrusting like this? As soon as you get to two bars, or just whenever I need that instant heal? I only have 4 uses on Entrust right now, but 10 Wraths. Will that be enough healing that I can dump Garnet for Raines? I just snagged his BSB today off AA8.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:What's the best practice when entrusting like this? As soon as you get to two bars, or just whenever I need that instant heal? I only have 4 uses on Entrust right now, but 10 Wraths. I think i have my Entrust at 4 hones and I haven't reached a point where I've absolutely needed the 5th hone. I have used all 8 casts in some of the 4 star magicite fights though so it is something you will want to hone when you get a chance. Basically though you run the entrust bot with Battleforged or Ace striker RM. Use a wrath turn one, then entrust turn two. If you have something like Shelke or Morrow dived (which gives them haste and 3 turns of instant cast) then you can wrath>wrath>entrust>wrath>entrust>wrath>entrust>etc. and the first entrust will go out usually before the magicite's 2nd turn. Battleforged or Ace Striker will give just over one SB bar for each wrath; the damage being done by the magicite and the abilities cast by the healer are usually (not always though) enough to make up for the other half of the soul break. Usually the first entrust will go to my healer, the second to a dps who needs more soul juice, and the third back to the healer again. After that it's gonna depend on the magicite, but the healer usually gets at least every other entrust. Since the healer is Relm though, you're at least still increasing the overall dps of your party (and those entrusts will go out pretty quickly too when you're using instant casts).
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Jul 4, 2018 13:05
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rabidsquid posted:i've just started doing magicite recently as well and one thing i've noticed about it is that a few things make an enormous difference. i've always considered my water my best element but my water team of literally just edge and tidus did living flame in 26 seconds with zero magicites equipped, and then with the help of a magicite on sea lion and with three dps its a bit of a struggle to break 30 seconds. Chains are why I can sub 20s Mist Dragon, thanks to Seymour, and why I can probably clear Siren pretty quickly with a physical based dark team. Of course, I'd have to get over that huge hurdle known as Tiamat before I can access her. gently caress.
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Jul 4, 2018 14:30
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MarquiseMindfang posted:
The fight is designed to give you enough time to cast it. There is no RNG to your starting ATB bars, and the boss is programmed to always tap you on the first turn, use a weaker attack on the second turn, and open up with the rest of its attacks on its third turn.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I'm guessing the +MAG bard song fails to stack with everything else? I know Faith doesn't. She could have Ifrit but it's honestly unimpressive, and I haven't honed Valigarmanda at all yet. 2) the magic bargain commands will also stack. I usually don't bother with them if I have two or more other sources of faithga, but YMM. I wasn't real jazzed about Ashe's AOSB, but, uh, it is REAL good.  My previous best time was 50 seconds. The LMR is really the key to Ashe being able to coast on a well honed Thundaga and one AOSB cast. Shelke can then just dump SB charge into Relm for instacast shenanigans and it is the easiest 4* magicite for me now. 
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ASBs are incredibly underappreciated. I'd assume their stock will increase greatly once people get to use them. The downside of ASBs is that an en-element is basically required or it's just an OSB that costs more bar. Someone asked what the next good place to pick up holy relics was. The FF1 WoL banner is great if it's still up. If not unfortunately it's probably the upcoming FFT banner with Ramza USB2 and Agrias USB2. Or Marche USB and TGC OSB at banner 2. All the event banners that we know of are not good for holy and the next fest is the same. The events after the fest are the same with nothing for holy until the Edward magic chain fest banner as a Christmas present. The well has literally run dry for holy. We'll probably get some random holy pickup which should be better but who knows when we'll get it and if it's filled with Basch and Pecil garbo again.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:25
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As someone with like eight fuckin' 6* holy swords, I am legitimately glad that they are going to be out of the relic pool for a while. So many awful memories of that several-month stretch where Tactics was on every single lucky banner and every pull I did was a 1 or 2/11 with only holy-based Tactics stuff.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:34
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hey girl you up posted:No, you should figure out why Tyro's not getting the cast off in time. "I can't get my SB off in time" won't be solved by "bring a different SB" unless the other character has a way to instant cast. Ah, to clarify, the 8k damage was from Bismarck's spells, not Sealion. I tried him first, then moved on. Yeah, I'm always on Speed 1 for anything above 160. Maybe I'm just misremembering something. I'll get back to him eventually I suppose. I actually beat Sealion twice today. First time just over a minute because Vivi got killed about two thirds of the way through, second time he didn't and I finished at 52 seconds. Turns out fire element burst commands hitting a weakness last exactly long enough to fill up two bars again by the time burst mode wears off, who'da thought. So now do I farm this til its magicite drops are Lv99, or what? Zonko_T.M. posted:1) Wrong! The bard faithga has its own buff ID and will stack with everything. If you're struggling to find something useful for Garnet, this is one of the best things she can do. Well I'll be damned.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:44
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Ramza’s usb seems op, chase & quick cicle, most usbs get only one. Shame about the rest of the banner and Ramza hinself already having a lot to do...
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Jul 4, 2018 15:45
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I somehow still have zero (0) Ramza relics so if it's actually good I might consider a pull there
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Jul 4, 2018 16:29
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:We'll probably get some random holy pickup which should be better but who knows when we'll get it and if it's filled with Basch and Pecil garbo again. This is offensive. May you be cursed with only Materia 5* and Overstrike 6* rainbow orbs on all your relic draws.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:50
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Ah, to clarify, the 8k damage was from Bismarck's spells, not Sealion. I tried him first, then moved on. Yeah, I'm always on Speed 1 for anything above 160. Maybe I'm just misremembering something. I'll get back to him eventually I suppose. Bismark's gimmick, aside from multielement spells when most magicites go all-in on one, is that it doesn't ramp up like the others. Most of the others rely on a move that imperils your party to their element as a "soft enrage" from 30 seconds on. On the one hand, this means that if you can survive the start of Bismark you can keep surviving. On the other hand, this means that there's no grace period to get things together.
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:We'll probably get some random holy pickup which should be better but who knows when we'll get it and if it's filled with Basch and Pecil garbo again. As someone who "lucked" into Basch's and Warrior of Light's nearly identical garbage USBs during this fest I'm wary about random holy pickup banners.
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Jul 4, 2018 17:52
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Avalerion posted:Ramza’s usb seems op, chase & quick cicle, most usbs get only one. Shame about the rest of the banner and Ramza hinself already having a lot to do... I'd be curious to hear how good it actually is. I've never seen it for RW and I know both the thread and I believe reddit too threw a minor fit over it being an offensive USB instead of Support, which kind of drowned any discussion of its merits.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:16
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KPC_Mammon posted:As someone who "lucked" into Basch's and Warrior of Light's nearly identical garbage USBs during this fest I'm wary about random holy pickup banners. I'm getting good use of Basch at this point still, he's not "bad" bad like say Gau, it's just really missing that cherry on top (chase, dual cast...) that would push him past 50k dps.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:19
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ceaselessfuture posted:Great info No Friend of Gravity posted:Also great info Thanks a ton, this helps a bunch!
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Jul 4, 2018 18:25
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Avalerion posted:I'm getting good use of Basch at this point still, he's not "bad" bad like say Gau, it's just really missing that cherry on top (chase, dual cast...) that would push him past 50k dps. gau has one hell of an USB coming up, incidentally
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Avalerion posted:I'm getting good use of Basch at this point still, he's not "bad" bad like say Gau, it's just really missing that cherry on top (chase, dual cast...) that would push him past 50k dps. I'm not sure how it is much better than an enElement BSB, which seems pretty drat bad for a USB. You are trading +20% to all stats for +100% defense and up to 30% increased damage. Assuming you hit the softcap on attack the BSB still gives ~+10% damage and +20% speed. That cherry on top is what makes most USBs worth using.
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Prav posted:gau has one hell of an USB coming up, incidentally
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Prav posted:gau has one hell of an USB coming up, incidentally Unfortunately that shares a banner with Gogo VI stuff, and Gogo is probably the worst non Core character in the game, with the worst 5* piece of equipment in his LMR.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:49
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KPC_Mammon posted:I'm not sure how it is much better than an enElement BSB, which seems pretty drat bad for a USB. What speed and all stats are you talking about, did I miss something about bsb's until now?
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Jul 4, 2018 18:56
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As others pointed out, hardcasting Godwall is probably what's getting you killed. Without his LMR it takes Tyro about 4.26s to get it up, more if you've got other characters going before him. One way to get around this is to put your highest speed character in the top slot and Tyro in the one below it, and then set turn order to party order in the config menu. That will make it so that after the first character goes, if Tyro's ATB is full then he'll go next. Another option is to just not bring Godwall. It's nice, but taking that long to get it up is a huge drawback. Also since you haven't beaten all the magicites yet obviously, your only option for RW is normal wall, which would be completely redundant. If you bring two healers with protectga, shellga, and hastega, you'll get the exact same effect as Godwall while also having some mitigation up a lot sooner. Bringing two healers isn't a bad idea if you're just trying to clear.
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Avalerion posted:What speed and all stats are you talking about, did I miss something about bsb's until now? All bsbs give +20% to most stats and haste. This means enElement bsbs are slightly better than they might look on paper. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Avalerion posted:What speed and all stats are you talking about, did I miss something about bsb's until now? "Burst Mode", which every burst does, raises ATK/MAG/DEF/RES/MND by 20%, and SPD by 10%. (All stats but ACC and EVA.) All bursts also come with a self-Haste, which is sometimes forgettable when you have a Hastega but it's nice to Dispel slow every once in a while.
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pichupal posted:"Burst Mode", which every burst does, raises ATK/MAG/DEF/RES/MND by 20%, and SPD by 10%. (All stats but ACC and EVA.) I thought it was 20% for SPD as well. Thanks for the correction! I'll try to stop giving bad information.
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Good to know, I assumed "burst mode" is just the commands. 
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It was never very obvious - although you might have noticed more damage with mages because of the higher MAG cap making the stat buff more useful. It was only really important if you invested in Tiamat with Alphinaud or one of the stat threshold bursts like Maria, Papalymo, Edea or Sephiroth 2. KPC_Mammon posted:I thought it was 20% for SPD as well. Thanks for the correction! I'll try to stop giving bad information. I almost forgot to mention the SPD thing at all  . It's easy to forget honestly, but I knew the burst mode details pretty well just because Maria BSB was one of my first mage bursts back when I had very few mage buffs. I used to use Vivi's Devotion RM a lot to reach 6-hit comfortably.
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Ugh I need more keystones gotta beat up more magicites c'mon. Can pretty consistently get Flame down in 36 seconds. Need another really good water person. Tidus wrecks face but Bartz just isn't quite specialised enough. His multicasts are good at least
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pichupal posted:It was never very obvious - although you might have noticed more damage with mages because of the higher MAG cap making the stat buff more useful. It used to be a lot harder to cap MAG, which meant it was nearly a 40% increase in dps. The real reason it was easy to forget is because 5* abilities weren't very good so all your dps came from spamming bsb commands, which you'd only use with the buff. It was kinda impossible to compare your dps without it.
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McDragon posted:Ugh I need more keystones gotta beat up more magicites c'mon. You know the truth, deep down inside. 
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DeadButDelicious posted:You know the truth, deep down inside. You aren't wrong. Raging water does 4.9/7 compared to engulfing quadstrike's 3.2/4. Diving a ninja is worth it. Since I pulled Edge USB I need to hone a second reflecting pool / raging water but I don't have any dark orbs.
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My sub30 Maliris team has all 3 of Tidus, Bartz and Yuffie on it Edit: it might honestly be faster if I subbed out Bartz for my also-dived Edge, but I'm already consistently sub30ing her so whatever, I'll save the orbs
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Armitage posted:Unfortunately that shares a banner with Gogo VI stuff, and Gogo is probably the worst non Core character in the game, with the worst 5* piece of equipment in his LMR. Eh. Gogo is a bit of a dud, but that banner also has Strago's magical water chain, his water radiant shield USB, and Umaro's strong USB that does great ice chases. If anything, it's a really great banner with one dud character. And even then Gogo USB is a +ATK/+MAG/+RES buff and Hastega.
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DeadButDelicious posted:You know the truth, deep down inside. Oh my gosh I was just about to say I wish I had some Ninja things but you've reminded me I got Edge's USB a while back. Might need to hone some Ninja skills then. Thank you for the tip
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