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Last Chance posted:yea, but the underlying tech has nothing to do with Sony's poor UI decisions. you can make a webkit thing that, while slow, doesnt require a dozen clicks to download a game, or preclude someone from sorting their games a different way. steam does it better and it's webkit for example Steam is also poo poo 9 times out of 10 webkit's going to be worse than a native solution For steam I get it, they support 3 platforms, but i dont see the ps4 frontend showing up anywhere else
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Jul 4, 2018 00:23
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I agree with you lastchance btw
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Jul 4, 2018 00:23
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i gotcha, i''m just saying that their problems come in two bad but distinct ways: sony's terrible inattention to detail/ux (I reread the earlier post and LOL at the fact that they list the wrong file sizes for games on the store, wtf??) and and its slow and clunky two different things
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Jul 4, 2018 00:27
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Every time I use the PlayStation store on my ps4 it’s like using it for the first time ever. Stuff is never where I expect it to be.
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Jul 4, 2018 00:56
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Every time I use the PlayStation store on my ps4 it’s like using it for the first time ever. Stuff is never where I expect it to be. PS3 and PS4 Playstation Store also literally does not order games by price. It orders by price without discounts, sure, but that's literally useless.
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Jul 4, 2018 01:21
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Last Chance posted:i gotcha, i''m just saying that their problems come in two bad but distinct ways: The file size is accurate for one of two installation components So if the installer is 4gb and the game takes up 5gb uncompressed you need 9gb to download and install I get that it's the first generation that really delivered downloadable games at scale but christ is it frustrating, i had a launch 60gb ps3 and i effectively could only hold 45gb of games
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Jul 4, 2018 01:24
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Jerry Cotton posted:PS3 and PS4 Playstation Store also literally does not order games by price. It orders by price without discounts, sure, but that's literally useless. I’ve had first day edition games with downloadable content a few times and figuring out how to input the code and then download the content is always an adventure that takes me way longer than it should.
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Jul 4, 2018 01:26
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I’ve had first day edition games with downloadable content a few times and figuring out how to input the code and then download the content is always an adventure that takes me way longer than it should. Oh yeah I bought the PS4 GOATSE version of Fallout 4 and I had to look it up on the Internet how to get to the "free" DLC which I had codes for. Microsoft may be shite but Xbox Live just... works.
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Jul 4, 2018 01:38
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Jerry Cotton posted:PS3 and PS4 Playstation Store also literally does not order games by price. It orders by price without discounts, sure, but that's literally useless. And if you order any sale list by price lowest to highest, you get like 6 pages of avatars, wallpapers, and DOA5 characters to skip past before you get to the first real product.
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Jul 4, 2018 02:41
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I actually never had a problem with the PS3 UI. At least it confined all my games to a single vertical column and didn't always display menu items for games I'd installed from disc. The PS4 UI however I do dislike. However both of them pale into insignificance beside the garbage fire that is the Xbox One UI, which is quite probably in the top 3 worst UIs I have ever encountered for any piece of technology. It's slow. It's cluttered. It's slow. It's bloated. It's slow. It's ugly. I hate it.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:47
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I’ve used Blackbox for Windows for years, and its still very functional but probably holding on by a thread under the covers. The worst thing about modern OS UIs in general is all the stuff you can’t get rid of that you hate, the stuff they get rid of or break that you liked, and being impossible to just junk the whole shell and replace it with something else you’d like. I miss the early aughts and all the neat shells you could load on top of Windows.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:14
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doctorfrog posted:I’ve used Blackbox for Windows for years, and its still very functional but probably holding on by a thread under the covers. I was a wierdo and used the zune xp skin, taskbar on top with objectdock on the bottom Win10 effectively solves all this out of the box
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Jul 4, 2018 18:26
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I have nothing but bad memories of all that Windows theming software like all the stuff Stardock used to make. Although I did tend to load the media center theme (Royale?) on normal XP.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:26
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Objectdock was more or less a competent ripoff of the osx dock if you used it solely as a shortcut bar Using it to manage running application state failed miserably though, due to the fundamental differences between how windows and osx handle that
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Jul 4, 2018 18:34
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mystes posted:I have nothing but bad memories of all that Windows theming software like all the stuff Stardock used to make. I used Fences a lot. I thought it was great.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:36
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Mak0rz posted:I used Fences a lot. I thought it was great.  I hate having things visible on my desktop.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:43
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The best console UI was the original 360 paged one. It was well labeled and easy to navigate with the shoulder triggers. Even my mom could easily start up a game of 1 vs 100. Then they updated it to the ad-riddled tile mess and it's been poo poo ever since.
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Jul 4, 2018 19:33
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I miss the blades.
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Jul 4, 2018 19:35
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:1 vs 100 Goddamn I miss this so much. Real disappointing that it didn't get off the ground.
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Jul 4, 2018 19:50
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It did. It’s called battle royale
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Jul 4, 2018 20:02
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I don't play fortnite but I don't think there's trivia in it?
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Jul 4, 2018 20:04
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doctorfrog posted:I’ve used Blackbox for Windows for years, and its still very functional but probably holding on by a thread under the covers. Meanwhile, over in the Linux world, everyone is still happily using whichever desktop environment we like, same as we've been doing for twenty years. (Did your favorite get completely ruined in a new release? Fork the old version and keep going!)
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Jul 4, 2018 20:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_-M-Hn3ZmU
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Jul 4, 2018 20:12
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Powered Descent posted:Meanwhile, over in the Linux world, everyone is still happily using whichever desktop environment we like, same as we've been doing for twenty years. (Did your favorite get completely ruined in a new release? Fork the old version and keep going!) This is in the top three things that’ll eventually put me onto Linux: you can change stuff on it if you want to. I hope it’s not too much trouble to dual boot for all those old games that won’t play on anything but Windows.
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Jul 4, 2018 21:13
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doctorfrog posted:This is in the top three things that’ll eventually put me onto Linux: you can change stuff on it if you want to. I hope it’s not too much trouble to dual boot for all those old games that won’t play on anything but Windows. Nobody bothers to dual boot now that virtualization is good. For old games, you can just run a Windows VM on Linux. If you're into new games, install Windows on the hardware and then just use a full-screen Linux VM within Windows when you're not gaming.
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Jul 4, 2018 21:51
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So kind of an OS turducken?
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Jul 4, 2018 22:21
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Pham Nuwen posted:Nobody bothers to dual boot now that virtualization is good. For old games, you can just run a Windows VM on Linux. If you're into new games, install Windows on the hardware and then just use a full-screen Linux VM within Windows when you're not gaming. I dual boot.
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Jul 4, 2018 22:44
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But, my precious RAM! Christ, anyone remember RAM optimizers and defragmenters? I’ll be pretty happy if I can run a good bit of my GOG library in a Windows VM.
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Jul 4, 2018 22:59
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doctorfrog posted:RAM defragmenters 
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Jul 5, 2018 00:12
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VMs are hot garbage until they can simulate a Voodoo 2/3 and SB16 in 98SE imo
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Jul 5, 2018 00:42
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Running Linux inside a virtual machine on a Windows box would literally defeat any possible practical purpose of running Linux at home. Not that a whole lot of people run Linux at home for any practical purposes.
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Jul 5, 2018 01:24
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Docker has pretty much replaced any need I had for a Linux vm
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Jul 5, 2018 03:04
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I remember back when Steam announced their "Steam Machines", powered by Linux, and there were people who actually thought Linux would supplant Windows and become the primary PC gaming OS throughout the world.
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Jul 5, 2018 03:31
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I remember back when Steam announced their "Steam Machines", powered by Linux, and there were people who actually thought Linux would supplant Windows and become the primary PC gaming OS throughout the world. To be fair the OSX/Linux gaming scene has gotten much better thanks to Unity and Steam. There's a lot more thought put into it now and games are built for it from the ground up since 5-7 years ago. Which was right around when Steam Machine was trying to be a thing. But yeah whatever is the most popular OS is going to be the default 'gaming' OS. That's just how that works.
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Jul 5, 2018 03:46
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Plinkey posted:whatever is the most popular OS is going to be the default 'gaming' OS. So... Linux? I'm pretty sure that's not true you know.
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Jul 5, 2018 04:06
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If he had specified desktop os, would you have been less insufferable?
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Jul 5, 2018 04:09
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Jerry Cotton posted:So... Linux? I'm pretty sure that's not true you know. What is your definition of popular?
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Jul 5, 2018 04:10
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Jerry Cotton posted:So... Linux? I'm pretty sure that's not true you know. how about on computers with dedicated video cards and attached to a keyboard/mouse and monitor?
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The Fool posted:If he had specified desktop os, would you have been less insufferable? Let me put it this way: when they decided to call the third Xbox Xbox One I was glad because I thought it would stop hell idiots on Youtube from calling Xbox "Xbox one". My joy was short-lived of course since now they call Xbox "Xbox one I mean the original Xbox not Xbox One LOL" which is even worse.
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