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Ratzap posted:And yes, it's the toilet, sink and everything else polluted water goes into the one sump. My water has germs in it (I looked) but that's probably also due to a spillage while re-jigging bathroom pipes that dropped a few kgs of polluted water into my water tank. I can get chlorine easily if dropping that into the water would help? From what I understand the only way to get germs out of water is to heat it up, which A) is bad for the heat situation which is the real, ultimate killer of colonies and B) requires a lot of power, feeding back into point A since you now need more heat generating power plants. The real danger of germy water is that you're using the water in food production, since the germs get baked into the food which your dupes then eat. If its slimelung that's not a problem since its only dangerous if its bieng breathed in, but if its food poisoning you might have a real problem on your hands. Speaking of which, I noticed that your immunity counter thing is at 90% from the 92% of the previous screenshot, that might be food poisoning at work.
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Jul 2, 2018 21:58
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Getting steel is kind of ridiculous. Does anyone have a reliable method for getting lime for steel? I'm thinking I may have to dig down for crude so I can set up a shine farm for the shells.
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Jul 3, 2018 00:15
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Canuck-Errant posted:Getting steel is kind of ridiculous. Does anyone have a reliable method for getting lime for steel? I'm thinking I may have to dig down for crude so I can set up a shine farm for the shells. Yes, a shinebug farm is the only way to produce steel at high quantities. The whole thing is stupid and I hope is rebalanced/redesigned soon.
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Canuck-Errant posted:Getting steel is kind of ridiculous. Does anyone have a reliable method for getting lime for steel? I'm thinking I may have to dig down for crude so I can set up a shine farm for the shells. ..ranching hatches with igneous in the meantime? Pacus are also as fast egg layers as shine bugs, just a little more difficult to get in place for ranching and retrieval.
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Jul 3, 2018 00:35
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Cool Calculator I found on reddit.
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Is it just me or does the germs thing seem rather incomplete? There are too few ways to do anything about germs and conditions. Like more sterilization options, ways to clean fluids and so on. As it is now if you don't know in advance (like I didn't) one spillage has pretty much destroyed my colony. Germs are in the only water I have access to and there seems to be no way to do anything about that. I hope they add things to flesh it out later. Plus more medical options to fight food poisoning or diarrhea would be useful rather than just have to put up with it.
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Jul 4, 2018 03:38
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Quick question, do airflow tiles work with steam?
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Jul 4, 2018 03:56
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Back Hack posted:Quick question, do airflow tiles work with steam? yes, if the steam condenses, it will collect on the tile.
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Jul 4, 2018 05:06
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Ratzap posted:Is it just me or does the germs thing seem rather incomplete? There are too few ways to do anything about germs and conditions. Like more sterilization options, ways to clean fluids and so on. As it is now if you don't know in advance (like I didn't) one spillage has pretty much destroyed my colony. Germs are in the only water I have access to and there seems to be no way to do anything about that. I hope they add things to flesh it out later. Plus more medical options to fight food poisoning or diarrhea would be useful rather than just have to put up with it. It's absurd how all the germ sensors require plastic. The most important use for them would be setting up wastewater purification but there's no reason to even try to set that up since you'll find all the water geysers you need by the time you get to plastic production.
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Jul 4, 2018 06:08
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I feel that germs are just a way to cheap out on adding content to the game so I don’t play with germs on.
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Jul 4, 2018 14:59
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They need multi tile disinfect disable, dupes do not need to run halfway across the map, put on a enviro suit then disinfect one tile then run all the way back across the map.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:21
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if they add some sort of job that's a sanitation specialist as an offshoot of groundskeeper or past plumber. Germs do feel like a bare system for them to iterate on.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:11
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I'm hoping for a scrubber, gas & liquid. Built from raw metal, has 2 inputs and 1 output. One of the inputs is always chlorine gas, the other is the input passed through to the output, sans germs. Consumes no power, generates 5W heat, consumes 1g chlorine per 1000 germs killed in the stream. Of course, they'll implement it with 400kg plastic, 480W of power draw, and emit 60W of heat. 
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Jul 4, 2018 16:15
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Germs seemed to be very obviously a 2 parter update they aborted on following the critical response and/or they realized their remaining ideas to expand on it weren't good either. Germy fluids plus chlorine is so obvious it can't not happen.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:26
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It definitely seems like something they’ll circle back on, which is fine because it was a weird thing to add compared to all the cool stuff they added afterwards. I like the idea of turning it off because setting up the stupid wash basin at the beginning just feels like a waste of time to set up a very rudimentary low tech water system that gets replaced very quickly.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:47
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Lorini posted:I feel that germs are just a way to cheap out on adding content to the game so I don’t play with germs on. How can you do this? The only setting I found was giving them super immune systems so they can't catch diseases. I started a new game with that on and they still get diarrhea etc. Or at least it says they do and they get a toilet time modifier.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:56
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That's an effect of making them eat uncooked mush meal which is glorified mud. Start meal lice as soon as possible and just skip that crap.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:59
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Ratzap posted:How can you do this? The only setting I found was giving them super immune systems so they can't catch diseases. I started a new game with that on and they still get diarrhea etc. Or at least it says they do and they get a toilet time modifier. Right germs don't affect their immune systems if the game is set for super immunity. Bad food and diarrhea and other sicknesses like hypothermia are not affected by germs. It may not be 'realistic' but 'germs' are a specific game mechanic that super immune turns off.
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Jul 4, 2018 17:07
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germs an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. i don't play oni right now but i wish could screenshot some of the stuff in my bases to show you. install a pump and vent in your water reservoir and seal it off. you can put water into a separate basin for a pitcher pump near the kitchen area. i don't even use after a while. setup a vent just below the water line so it fill and become over-pressured, ensure water automatically stops flowing. you can't help some germs getting on plants or air. it won't kill you. wash basins into your base (multiples) will pretty much stop the flow solid germs. pressurized air will stop most air born gasses that spread germs. deodorizers will turn po2 into o2 and eventually kill slimelung. it goes pretty fast if you can convert all the po2. otherwise, it will reproduce forever and never go away. when people get around 50% immunity, block access with doors. they will recharge. immunity booster pills do work but i think there is a cooldown on them. dupes will automatically make and eat them. you can assign a dupe to a bed or pharma chamber to increase their immunity. chambers don't heal hp, so remember that. its not germs as much as its medicine that's awkward. temple fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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I just basically ignore germs and nothing happens? Well not quite ignore. When I bust into a slime biome I build an airlock door and just beyond it build a storage container for only slime and set its priority to 7, and disable disinfecting it.
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Jul 4, 2018 21:48
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Slime lung is mostly managing work practices and keeping gases tidy which comes natural by the time you push into a slime biome unless you got a real dire seed first time around. Food poisoning is oddly serious as a new player. Shitters and sinks concentrating food poisoning in polluted H2O where it then grows is a bit of a trap because a new player is going to spill water in weird places just because they don't have the instincts to avoid pool breaches or else the first thing a new player will do after unlocking a filter is dump all their bottles of polluted water into a pit where they build a loop from the polluted H2O to the clean and suddenly drop all that food poisoning into the fresh water they are still using to make liceloaf (or god forbid mush bar) or else just make the sinks ineffective. Meanwhile if you have half a build order and realize how to site and build water storages you ignore all of that and its just a bit of bullshit to deal with to keep sinks working.
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Jul 4, 2018 22:02
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I suppose so. “Don’t poo poo where you eat” seems kind of obvious, but I’ve missed plenty of pretty clear things, too. Speaking of possibly missing obvious things, a lot of people post these compact electrolyzer setups similar to this https://m.imgur.com/7nfwWql (sometimes with a bottom pump instead of the wheezewort) but the hydrogen part never seem to work for me. Is that likely because hydrogen no longer tends to drift left?
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Jul 4, 2018 22:35
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I think so. Back to the pyramid design.
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So I got this design off a youtuber, its self powered and runs basically non stop set the atmo sensor to above 750g and it will self power after a little bit, you can use a hamster wheel to jump start it. You can also siphon off excess hydrogen to pump into a wort room if you dont want to build it in a cold biome
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Jul 5, 2018 00:26
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how's ranching work/how do i do a basic ranching setup? i've been ignoring it for the most part but a wild hatch randomly laid a sage hatch egg which, if the wiki is to believed, is the good poo poo if you're trying to farm eggs
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Are water geysers still a thing? I hope so, sustainability become kind of a problem without fresh H2O....
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Speedball posted:Are water geysers still a thing? I hope so, sustainability become kind of a problem without fresh H2O.... yes but they're called "cool steam geysers", there's usually one vaguely near where you start there's also the potential for geysers that output polluted water (which may or may not be germy) plus "cool slush geysers" which output very cold polluted slush and are useful for getting rid of heat
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Jul 5, 2018 03:54
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It’s a lot easier to recycle water than it used to be.
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President Ark posted:yes but they're called "cool steam geysers", there's usually one vaguely near where you start There are also rarer "hot water geysers", those spew out 95 degree clean water
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Scarecow posted:So I got this design off a youtuber, its self powered and runs basically non stop Missing the cooling chamber. I mean setting up a self-powering electrolizer is easy enough. The "gotcha" is that it outputs oxygen at 70 degrees, which can quickly overheat your base and kill your agriculture. So you need to cool the gas first. Here's the most popular design.
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zedprime posted:Germs seemed to be very obviously a 2 parter update they aborted on following the critical response and/or they realized their remaining ideas to expand on it weren't good either. Yes. They spent more than 3 months on the germs update, and the resulting content was lackluster and made the game much more tedious. So they changed course and also came up with the current release cadence. Germs do have potential though. I'd love to have them play a role in industry, for example in food production. Just like yeast is used to ferment stuff IRL, germs can be captured and used to make specialty foods maybe. And if they do add genetic engineering as an end-game tech, then stuff like gene-editing can be powerful. Imagine taking slimelung and editing its genes so that inhaling it gives your dupes the ability to breathe otherwise unbreathable gasses for instance. There are a lot of possibilities.
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enraged_camel posted:Yes. They spent more than 3 months on the germs update, and the resulting content was lackluster and made the game much more tedious. So they changed course and also came up with the current release cadence. I agree. At the moment though they're a pain in the backside and a trap for anyone playing for the first time since that update. I started a new game with immunity at max so I can just ignore it all for now and get a handle on the rest of the game.
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So I played around with the Aquatuner in Sandbox mode and I couldn't really get good results. Is there some trick to it? I had a tank of hot water being pumped into an aquatuner. The aquatuner was in a tank of polluted water and pumped back into the clean tank. I let it run for a while, but it didn't seem to make much progress. Also holy poo poo aquatuners take a lot of power. It's taking as much power as the rest my base combined.
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It lowers each packet by 14C. A packet is 10kg, and water is 1000kg per tile, more as it gets deeper. So each packet drops a tile of water by 0.14C, which gets averaged out across the pool as well. If you have a very modest 2x5 pool, that's 10 tiles of water, so it will drop about 0.014C per second.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Insulated tiles work in concert with low thermal conductivity materials. Normally it takes the log mean of the two thermal conductivities to determine what resultant thermal conductivity is. So abyssalite is good but it's still able to absorb a great deal of heat if it's in contact with something with a really good thermal conductivity. Insulated tiles (and maybe pipes and vents?) use the lower of the two thermal conductivities, making an insulated abyssalite tile a nearly perfect insulator. I know, the thing with abyssalite is, insulators give you what 10x? 100x? higher heat resistance, abyssalite is like a million times. Unless your pipes/tiles are holding things at thousands of degrees, it's going to be good enough, and far better than any other material + insulated stuff. You can go overkill and do both, but IME it's never needed. I have a goddamn copper volcano in a room lined by just a single tile of abyssalite, and said abyssalite tiles haven't even budged a degree from the temperature it was built at yet in a few dozen cycles. It's pretty drat impressive, tbh. And even if it does get hot in time, the oxygen it's in contact with isn't conductive enough to matter 
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I feel like if there was some sort of visual indicator as to what material a tile or building is built from I would remember that the option to create them out of different tiles even exists in the first place. I never remember to pick something that isn't sandstone.
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Fano posted:I feel like if there was some sort of visual indicator as to what material a tile or building is built from I would remember that the option to create them out of different tiles even exists in the first place. I never remember to pick something that isn't sandstone. This is the real reason to use insulated blocks.
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Fano posted:I feel like if there was some sort of visual indicator as to what material a tile or building is built from I would remember that the option to create them out of different tiles even exists in the first place. I never remember to pick something that isn't sandstone.
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Splicer posted:It's really frustrating when you use up a material and ti switches and you realise you've just built a bunch of ladders out of abyssalite. I just build some big thing, some plumbing and some airducts out of abyssalite, and then forget to switch back while building the rest of my base, and then I'm confused where the hell all the abyssalite is and have to go back and click everything to find it. Nukelear v.2 posted:This is the real reason to use insulated blocks. 
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