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WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Mikl posted:

I am 100% sure that the all olympic teams are drugged up to their eyelids on performance enhancing drugs, and there's no way you can convince me otherwise. Not after what happened in the Sochi Winter Olympics and what's still happening with their national athletics team.

ftfy


some are better at masking it than others

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I'm just glad they haven't novichoked anyone yet

Pluskut Tukker
May 20, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

I'm just glad they haven't novichoked anyone yet

Maybe hold off on that thought for a bit.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

oh that was just some residual murder

nothing to worry about

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

I have no idea why you'd call in counter-terrorism units before you rule out that this case is one of the thousands of incidents of drug contamination that the UK is swamped by

it's not as if the results will simply evaporate inside porton down when it isn't a hot batch of heroin/md/frankly anything these days, but it's a pleasant distraction from blatantly lying to parliament so you can continue to kill poor people

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Just for the record: the court of cassation (Italy's highest court) has ruled that Lega must pay back 49 million euros that they stole from government funds some years ago through fraud; further, they also ruled that all Lega assets must be frozen and seized until they've paid back what they owe.

Quoth Salvini: communist judges! :argh: Trying to overthrow democracy! :argh: We demand the president of the republic stop them! :argh:

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
how did they do that again? 49 million euros is p impressive as fraud

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Mikl posted:

Just for the record: the court of cassation (Italy's highest court) has ruled that Lega must pay back 49 million euros that they stole from government funds some years ago through fraud; further, they also ruled that all Lega assets must be frozen and seized until they've paid back what they owe.

Quoth Salvini: communist judges! :argh: Trying to overthrow democracy! :argh: We demand the president of the republic stop them! :argh:

looking forward to my Italian acquaintance assuring me the KGB did this

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

lollontee posted:

how did they do that again? 49 million euros is p impressive as fraud

Italian law has public financing of political parties in the books. Effectively, after an election and until the following election, parties get public funding of about one euro per year per vote they got. By law, this money can only be used to fund the functioning of the party (paying staff, buying leaflets and ads, and so on).

About ten years ago, then-Lega leader Bossi and then-treasurer Belsito moved this public funding money abroad and used it for other things (like for example Bossi buying his son a college degree from a university in Albania). They were found guilty of this (along with other people) and sentenced to some years in jail, and also they had to pay back the money plus all the profits they got from using it, totalling about 49 million euros. When the state seized Lega's bank account, they only found three and something million euros there, so they asked the court to allow them to seize all current and future Lega assets until they've paid the money back, and the court agreed.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
To be more precise, we had public financing of political parties in the interest of preserving a measure of pluralism. It was abolished quite recently by the PD, a party that relied on it extensively (maybe they wanted to ensure they would be forever irrelevant after their neoliberal turn?), due to popular clamour raised by the 5 stars movement.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

M5S is so goddamn dumb.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
O Cinque Stelle, Cinque Stelle
aspettiamo cose belle
se senti puzza non me ne frega
ci rimane sempre Lega

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Good news for once:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1014827123452805120

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013


quote:

asdfaeradsfasd
‏ @qwertdui
4h4 hours ago
Replying to @verge

Awesome! I support artists 100%, and I think pirates are totally pathetic, but I doubt McCartney and other old musicians understood the ramifications of the disputed articles.

Imagine being the kind of person who would write this

Corbyn visits Holland, Volkskrant writes character assassination piece: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/jeremy-corbyn-in-den-haag-een-lichtend-voorbeeld-voor-worstelende-sociaal-democraten~b3e87e28/ (the VK's paywall is hilarious, just press escape when the text loads). This is not supposed to be an opinion piece but it immediately goes on about how socialism is ungovernable and the usual horseshit about antisemitism

Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 5, 2018

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Mikl posted:

Italian law has public financing of political parties in the books. Effectively, after an election and until the following election, parties get public funding of about one euro per year per vote they got. By law, this money can only be used to fund the functioning of the party (paying staff, buying leaflets and ads, and so on).

About ten years ago, then-Lega leader Bossi and then-treasurer Belsito moved this public funding money abroad and used it for other things (like for example Bossi buying his son a college degree from a university in Albania). They were found guilty of this (along with other people) and sentenced to some years in jail, and also they had to pay back the money plus all the profits they got from using it, totalling about 49 million euros. When the state seized Lega's bank account, they only found three and something million euros there, so they asked the court to allow them to seize all current and future Lega assets until they've paid the money back, and the court agreed.

Noice

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Cross-posting this from another thread, since I feel it's relevant to this thread too.



The Italian Rolling Stone magazine cover for the July issue is Very Good, as is the accompanying editorial article.

I'm going to translate it right here, since while Google Translate would make it comprehensible I don't think it would do it justice.

Note, for those who don't know: Matteo Salvini is Italy's current Minister for the Interior and vice-Prime Minister, and also a known racist homophobic transphobic fascist piece of poo poo.

quote:

We are not with Salvini. Starting now, those who don't speak up are accomplices.

Rolling stone has asked musicians, actors, writers, and people working in show-business if they wanted to make a stand. For a more open, modern, free and supportive society.

It hurts to see, day by day, that Italy is becoming more evil, torn apart, incapable of having any hope in each other and in the future. An angry and sad Italy. It hurts even more to see that this rage has come into power. We do not want our Country to need enemies to feel strong and united. This is why we cannot be silent.

The values upon which civilisation and cohexistance have been built have been called into question. We find ourselves forced to fight on the defence, to fight about things we thought were part of our shared and unquestionable heritage. The seducing "new" is in reality something ancient and dangerous, cinically ready to use ancestral fears and irrational feelings. We must oppose those who would take us back, those who would force us into becoming conservatives. Not in my name, not in my name, not in our name. This must be clear, from the start. As it's also clear that only by joining together we can come back to the present, and dream about the future.

Rolling Stone, since it was founded fifty years ago, stands for being involved in political and social life, for fighting side by side with those who are emarginated, and for having the courage to always say which side we're on. These are vital and indispensible things. We believe that today in Italy it's fundamental to take a clear position, we believe that looking the other way and waiting for the storm to pass means being accomplices, we believe, once more, in the soft power of pop culture, in its ability to unite, share, make people feel welcome.

This is why we've asked artists and famous people in Italy, whom we've crossed path with many times over the years and whose stories we've told. What follows are the thoughts of those who share our need to fight together, to make sure that Italy stays an open, modern, free, and supporting society.

Rolling Stone

Signed, a whole lot of famous people.

I'm not going to lie, this moved me a little bit. Ok, a lot.



Salvini, as he and people like him are wont to do, responded in a Facebook post:

quote:

It's so sad to see personal attacks on part of artists who often are millionaires and are completely divorced from reality, and can't seem to understand that immigration is out of control and this is a problem for everyone! #singandyoullbehappy music is for everyone!
p.s.: I like some of these authors, and despite this gratuituous attack I'll keep listening to their songs, reading their books, and watching their movies. Of course I won't spend a cent to buy this magazine.

Which demonstrates that he has embraced trumpism at its worst. When faced with criticism he replies :sad: while completely missing the point (and/or deliberately ignoring it).

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

I'm not saying this in bad faith but I think celebs and artists do more harm than good even in the rare case where they're on the side of socialism (as opposed to, say, Bono or Beyonce). Salvini sucks but he has a point that they're all millionaires and can't speak for ordinary people really.

I mean, the people who voted for Lega aren't going to be convinced by something like this, just like Lady Gaga or whoever didn't convince a soul not to vote T

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Mikl posted:

I'm going to translate it right here, since while Google Translate would make it comprehensible

You can try DeepL, it tends to give better results.

https://www.deepl.com/translator

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Shibawanko posted:

I'm not saying this in bad faith but I think celebs and artists do more harm than good even in the rare case where they're on the side of socialism (as opposed to, say, Bono or Beyonce). Salvini sucks but he has a point that they're all millionaires and can't speak for ordinary people really.

And exactly how well off is Salvini? But he can speak for ordinary people?

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

it's pretty bad news that "don't pass obvious dumb poo poo" only had an 8 point lead

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

suck my woke dick posted:

it's pretty bad news that "don't pass obvious dumb poo poo" only had an 8 point lead

tbh it had a multi-million point lead in the US and they still have the dumbest man alive as president

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Tesseraction posted:

tbh it had a multi-million point lead in the US and they still have the dumbest man alive as president

Dumbest unlike the curent PM of britain who committed suicide in an election gamble then aligned herself with the orchestrators of Warren Point.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

LeoMarr posted:

Dumbest unlike the curent PM of britain who committed suicide in an election gamble then aligned herself with the orchestrators of Warren Point.

Can there be such a thing as an undead career?

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

suck my woke dick posted:

it's pretty bad news that "don't pass obvious dumb poo poo" only had an 8 point lead

Copyright law is dumb as hell because Disney & co as an industry have so much money at stake and so much money in the bank they can blow up every MEP's phone for weeks and organize weekly events to "persuade" them of whatever their viewpoint is. I'm amazed so many voted against it at all.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013

Deltasquid posted:

Copyright law is dumb as hell because Disney & co as an industry have so much money at stake and so much money in the bank they can blow up every MEP's phone for weeks and organize weekly events to "persuade" them of whatever their viewpoint is. I'm amazed so many voted against it at all.

It's funny, because in spite of that evidence, here in Italy at least one major newspaper basically had a shitfit after it didn't pass, and started whining about how Google and Facebook were coming up with propaganda and tricking people into contacting MEPs. They even claimed that those who are against the reform are harassers.

The reason they decided to take that stand? Google and Facebook "profit" from their articles.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

forkboy84 posted:

And exactly how well off is Salvini? But he can speak for ordinary people?

Sure he can't, I'm just saying that using celebs is a failed strategy, it was in the US and it's not hard to see why.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
So what was so bad about that proposal? Do we have a thread about it? I'm all for megacorps paying the publishers.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Doctor Malaver posted:

So what was so bad about that proposal? Do we have a thread about it? I'm all for megacorps paying the publishers.

For one thing, the planned upload filter would basically eliminate private persons (like you) from being able to upload stuff. You'd have to find ways to trick the filter first. Stuff like YouTube would be dead over night.

Also no-one is saying in that proposal that megacorps will pay publishers, just that they have to if they link their stuff. There's a very easy and cheap workaround for megacorps build-in for that.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

LeoMarr posted:

Dumbest unlike the curent PM of britain who committed suicide in an election gamble then aligned herself with the orchestrators of Warren Point.

Nothing there contradicts what I said.

She's the dumbest woman alive. :colbert:

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Can there be such a thing as an undead career?

Current uk administration is undead as far as im converned

Dommolus Magnus
Feb 27, 2013

Shibawanko posted:

Imagine being the kind of person who would write this

Corbyn visits Holland, Volkskrant writes character assassination piece: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/jeremy-corbyn-in-den-haag-een-lichtend-voorbeeld-voor-worstelende-sociaal-democraten~b3e87e28/ (the VK's paywall is hilarious, just press escape when the text loads). This is not supposed to be an opinion piece but it immediately goes on about how socialism is ungovernable and the usual horseshit about antisemitism

The title seems postive, which is the only thing most people read, anyway. Unless I'm missing some subtlety here. The only way I can read Dutch is by replacing words with the closest sounding German one.

BTW, what is the etymology of "worstelende"? The internet tells me it translates to "struggling", but the only way I can read it is as "worst elende". Now, "worst" I'm pretty sure is "sausage". and "elende" my German eyes can only read as "miserable".

So, how do you go from "miserable as a sausage" to "struggling"?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

LeoMarr posted:

Current uk administration is undead as far as im converned

This raises an important question, actually. Given I tended to refer to May as Skeletor prior to her becoming PM... was Skeletor undead or something beyond life?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Dommolus Magnus posted:

So, how do you go from "miserable as a sausage" to "struggling"?

From the Middle German 'wrostelen' meaning 'to wrestle'

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Tesseraction posted:

This raises an important question, actually. Given I tended to refer to May as Skeletor prior to her becoming PM... was Skeletor undead or something beyond life?

Only the dude's head was a skull, according to expanded media he used to look fairly human before he got hit by acid in the face or something, so he's just really disfigured. I mean, everyone forgets the guy is as ripped as He-Man below the neck.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Dommolus Magnus posted:

The title seems postive, which is the only thing most people read, anyway. Unless I'm missing some subtlety here. The only way I can read Dutch is by replacing words with the closest sounding German one.

BTW, what is the etymology of "worstelende"? The internet tells me it translates to "struggling", but the only way I can read it is as "worst elende". Now, "worst" I'm pretty sure is "sausage". and "elende" my German eyes can only read as "miserable".

So, how do you go from "miserable as a sausage" to "struggling"?

It means struggling, same root as "wrestling"

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost

Tesseraction posted:

This raises an important question, actually. Given I tended to refer to May as Skeletor prior to her becoming PM... was Skeletor undead or something beyond life?

Way more important question: Who is Hordak in this analogy?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Dawncloack posted:

Way more important question: Who is Hordak in this analogy?

Depending on how deep-lore you want to dive... Thatcher or Cameron.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Dommolus Magnus posted:

The title seems postive, which is the only thing most people read, anyway. Unless I'm missing some subtlety here. The only way I can read Dutch is by replacing words with the closest sounding German one.

BTW, what is the etymology of "worstelende"? The internet tells me it translates to "struggling", but the only way I can read it is as "worst elende". Now, "worst" I'm pretty sure is "sausage". and "elende" my German eyes can only read as "miserable".

So, how do you go from "miserable as a sausage" to "struggling"?

As said, "worstelen" is the verb for wrestling. Dutch uses it also for struggling in general.

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Brexit Secretary David Davis just got the gently caress out.

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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
No worries. It's not like we're in a hurry or anything.

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