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Lets look at that incident again. Some dumb gently caress assholes are blocking a dude from voting so Trudeau comes in and forcibly pulls him through so he can do his drat job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teqCY8cZGxc Now, maybe he should have been a bit calmer but you aren't really thinking straight when angry. The elbow was an unfortunate accident.
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enki42 posted:That's true for maybe an older generation (like boomers). And for sure there's a lot of this attitude still hovering around. But a more recent (very positive change) has been going from "it's OK until they say no" to "it's not OK without an explicit yes". It doesn't excuse it, but 20 years ago most people wouldn't consider an rear end grab, grinding or that sort of thing particularly egregious, or even uncommon, in a party / club environment. It doesn't excuse the action today, it didn't excuse it then either, but I do think there has to be some nuance between paragon of virtue and unrepentant rapist who needs to resign immediately. Yeah this is true. "No means no" was a big part of sex ed in the 90s but "lack of an explicit 'no' does not mean 'yes'" is more recent, at least as something with mainstream traction. It's still one of those things where if people actually stopped to think about what they were doing they'd realize it was kind of hosed up but people are vary good at finding rationalizations to just do what they want anyway.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:32
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Vintersorg posted:
No you see it's okay to use your body to obstruct someone but not to move someone doing that.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:35
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah this is true. "No means no" was a big part of sex ed in the 90s but "lack of an explicit 'no' does not mean 'yes'" is more recent, at least as something with mainstream traction. I think men have a significant and under-appreciated role to play in helping shift the cultural expectations away from "women are expected to be reluctant unless they're sluts." Don't just go along with that. Ask for, and expect sexual partners to give, enthusiastic consent if they want to have sex. This weird poo poo where women are expected to resist "just enough" but will then get pissed off at you for backing off entirely is toxic, it leads to misunderstandings on both sides, and we need to eliminate it and be able to have clear, honest conversations about sex and consent.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:41
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Vintersorg posted:Lets look at that incident again. Okay, I accept your version. "Forcibly" is the key word and the pattern between the HoC rampage and the kokanee grope. "But you aren't really thinking straight when angry" is horseshit, you don't ever excuse actions because of emotions, that's just like saying "cause I felt like it". So 45 year old sober Trudeau thinks it's appropriate to let himself get angry and forcibly pull another MP, what's 29 year old 5 beers Trudeau doing? I'm just saying, my money would be on inappropriate if I had to bet.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:42
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Because that's the default male behaviour. What the gently caress?
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Jul 6, 2018 14:45
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Tbh I would enjoy a version of legislature that had significantly more pushing in the House Everyone just get in the middle and push each other until electoral reforms pops out and we go with 'dictatorship' If we elect a dog president-for-life at least we will never have these kinds of problems at the top
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Jul 6, 2018 14:47
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infernal machines posted:What the gently caress? Nice male aggression, patriarch.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:49
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The Duggler posted:Tbh I would enjoy a version of legislature that had significantly more pushing in the House Ukraine is where you want to look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKIIv2_cNI
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Jul 6, 2018 14:51
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Postess with the Mostest posted:rampage lol if that classifies as a rampage
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Jul 6, 2018 14:52
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The kokanee handshake
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Jul 6, 2018 15:05
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Postess with the Mostest posted:the HoC rampage Stop spouting CPC talking points.
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Jul 6, 2018 15:13
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Helsing posted:The kokanee handshake The closed door meeting between and Trump and Trudeau was them exchanging stories of their favourite pussy grabs
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Jul 6, 2018 15:18
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The Trudeau elbow is a catastrophe. He should have gone for a strangle, I mean come on Justin. Chretien already settled this years ago.
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Jul 6, 2018 15:26
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infernal machines posted:What the gently caress? Sorry, I didn't mean default behaviour in first world western society in 2018, I meant default minus modern society, like if you look at thousands of years of human history pre-let's say 1980 or other primates. Outside of our complex society, things will tend towards simple and physical force is a lot simpler than what we're blessed with now. I don't think I'm that out of line saying that violence is the default human way of problem solving.
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Jul 6, 2018 15:29
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m-a-l-e that spells human
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Jul 6, 2018 15:34
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flakeloaf posted:I didn't do it but if I did do it then I'm sorry for how you feel about it. Its just like when someone says some horribly racist poo poo and says "Im sorry if you were offended"
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#SorryNotSorry
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Jul 6, 2018 15:50
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The Duggler posted:If we elect a dog president-for-life at least we will never have these kinds of problems at the top Until the dog starts humping everything
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Jul 6, 2018 15:53
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NZAmoeba posted:Until the dog starts humping everything Still a vast improvement.
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Jul 6, 2018 15:55
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Im a pretty big critic of Trudeau but the whole #elbowgate thing is ridiculous. He just tried to walk through a crowd that was blocking proceeding and while turning around nudged someone with his arm. It was far from deliberate and it was without malice or any real force. I can't believe that became a big story. Would they have given the same reaction if you bumped into someone in a hallway when you both to the same side?
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Jul 6, 2018 15:56
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Yeah, elbowgate is completely stupid.
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Jul 6, 2018 15:59
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Justin Trudeau: When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. Ruth Ellen Bruseau: My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything. Justin Trudeau: Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that
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Jul 6, 2018 16:01
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Helsing posted:Justin Trudeau: When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. Postmedia headline for a two page op-ed by Christie Blatchford: Misogynist PM Savagely Destroys Another Woman. When Will It End?
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Jul 6, 2018 16:13
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Helsing posted:Justin Trudeau: When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. They probably wouldn't have said anything. Hiroshima was destroyed.
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Jul 6, 2018 16:17
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Remember the outrage from conservatives when the Mayor of Toronto charged through a Councillor (an elderly woman, no less) to get to a fight his brother and fellow council member (now Premier) had picked with members of the gallery? No? Yeah, me neither. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB1dJeMtb08
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Jul 6, 2018 16:19
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zapplez posted:Im a pretty big critic of Trudeau but the whole #elbowgate thing is ridiculous. He just tried to walk through a crowd that was blocking proceeding and while turning around nudged someone with his arm. It was far from deliberate and it was without malice or any real force. I can't believe that became a big story. Would they have given the same reaction if you bumped into someone in a hallway when you both to the same side? He walked through a crowd to grab the opposition MP by the arm (without consent). He elbowed Brossard like 3 times, there's no way he didn't feel it the first time. Look how he opens his left elbow at 59s to push her out of the way, it's not an accidental nudge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjExPD6_G4&t=56s I guess there was no real force or malice when Trudeau grabbed the reporter's butt either, he even said he recalls it being a positive interaction for all involved boys will be boys right
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Jul 6, 2018 16:22
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Postess with the Mostest posted:He walked through a crowd to grab the opposition MP by the arm (without consent). He elbowed Brossard like 3 times, there's no way he didn't feel it the first time. Look how he opens his left elbow at 59s to push her out of the way, it's not an accidental nudge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjExPD6_G4&t=56s Yeah I don't see what you see in that video at all. Why were the NDP stalling the assisted dying bill anyways? I thought they would have been supportive of that.
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Jul 6, 2018 16:27
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zapplez posted:Yeah I don't see what you see in that video at all. Right at 59 seconds, watch only his left elbow, it chicken wings out from his body to push her out of the way. And the NDP weren't stalling anything, Trudeau only thought they were. quote:But here’s the thing: it turns out Brown didn’t need to be in his seat for the vote to start. The Speaker’s office confirmed on Thursday morning that only one of the whips needs to sit to trigger voting. If Leslie had sat down, even a wall of NDP MPs six feet high wouldn’t have mattered.
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Jul 6, 2018 16:42
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50 people dead in Quebec from the heat wave. I wonder how the federal government will get blamed for the weather.
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Arcsquad12 posted:They probably wouldn't have said anything. Hiroshima was destroyed. "Goodness, what a nice place for a fishing village." In Japanese.
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I doubt anyone here would recognize civic virtue of it reached up and bit you in the rear end.
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Arcsquad12 posted:50 people dead in Quebec from the heat wave. I wonder how the federal government will get blamed for the weather. Proves that Trudeau's action against global warming is a sham.
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Jul 6, 2018 17:53
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https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1015286405235437569 Did anyone see the Conservative conspiracy theory that somehow a recent refugee is responsible for the bus crash and the PM was personally trying to cover this whole thing up to protect the Liberals immigration policies. Now it's shifted and hero RCMP officers are laying charges despite what the PM is telling them.
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Doug Ford is going to put a stop to the provincial gravy train, just as soon as he signs a former PCPO leader to a $360,000 job as Minister of Making Hospitals Less Crowded.
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Jul 6, 2018 19:59
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flakeloaf posted:Doug Ford is going to put a stop to the provincial gravy train, just as soon as he signs a former PCPO leader to a $360,000 job as Minister of Making Hospitals Less Crowded. When there's less nurses and doctors walking about in the hallway it'll be far less crowded
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flakeloaf posted:Doug Ford is going to put a stop to the provincial gravy train, just as soon as he signs a former PCPO leader to a $360,000 job as Minister of Making Hospitals Less Crowded. Wynne was paying him 518k (according to sunshine list). Nice to see Doug finding efficiencies so fast.
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Jul 6, 2018 22:06
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Vintersorg posted:Ukraine is where you want to look. this is still so funny
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Jul 6, 2018 22:13
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Truck driver in the Broncos crash charged with 16 counts of dangerous driving causing death, 13 counts of dangerous driving causing injury. On one hand, yeah, he did something wrong and people died. On the other, it shows the enormous liability truck drivers take on, and more should be done to make sure that they know how to drive, and are given the working conditions geared more towards safety.
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