Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
stgdz
Nov 3, 2006

158 grains of smiley powered justice
996tt


Anyone daily it? Looking at new to me cars and the tt is floating up. Will they last 200k or is their rebuild parts in that interval?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

stgdz posted:

996tt


Anyone daily it? Looking at new to me cars and the tt is floating up. Will they last 200k or is their rebuild parts in that interval?

Have one, don't daily but they're generally tanks. There's a few over 400k miles without any major issues but I think they're autos. The engine is bulletproof, transmissions are good, and the rest is at least average plus there's a million DIY guides and specialist shops that are surprisingly reasonable. I took ours out today for the first time in a month to run errands with my daughter and the best part was at a stop at walmart the spot in front of me was open and a car pulled in just as I popped the frunk to dump in groceries. The guy did a good :stare: then apologized for pulling in as far as normal because he didn't know I was going to load in the front.

A+++ would buy again. Also the howling turbos, brapping, and general sauciness are great but it'd be a really fun DD with an auto or non-traffic commute. I'm lazy so I bought a Lexus LS460 to blob to work on lazy and rainy days.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Just buy soon cuz the 996 Turbo is definitely rising in price.

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds


I'm not sure if this was only promoted in Canada but Porsche has been celebrating its 70th birthday with Sports Car Together Day. The local dealer threw a pretty good birthday party. There was cake! And a few nice beetles.











I really should have bought that 996 with the full RUF kit and blown engine for $10k last year...

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.carsmithmotors.com/used-cars-fremont-ca?page=3

This seems like too good of a deal. I’m going to be in the Bay Area next week and this seems like something I should jump on. I’d be driving it 2000 miles home.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

stgdz posted:

Anyone daily it? Looking at new to me cars and the tt is floating up. Will they last 200k or is their rebuild parts in that interval?

I daily'd mine for a summer one year. It's up to 80k miles now but it was addicting to drive all the time.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Jealous Cow posted:

https://www.carsmithmotors.com/used-cars-fremont-ca?page=3

This seems like too good of a deal. I’m going to be in the Bay Area next week and this seems like something I should jump on. I’d be driving it 2000 miles home.

I assume you're talking about the boxster? Seems good.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

slidebite posted:

I assume you're talking about the boxster? Seems good.

Yes.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
If that's what you're looking for then get the records, check the carfax for anything obvious but otherwise just do it. If it passes the basic checkout then you can easily sell it for the same afterwards.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I genuinely didn't know the 986 was a 5spd. I just assumed it had the 911 6spd.

I agree. Car looks good, assuming there is nothing glaring I'd check it out.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



That toggle switch on the center stack by where the shift boot meets it is a little odd, curious what it's for?

Looks nice and it's got the good looking 3 spoke steering wheel. I've heard these can be easy to spoof the mileage on but if it's got a clean carfax and the mileage recorded on the records have no irregularities it's probably a solid car.

If you get it, are you keeping the hard top or going back to just using the soft top?

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Bajaha posted:

That toggle switch on the center stack by where the shift boot meets it is a little odd, curious what it's for?

Looks nice and it's got the good looking 3 spoke steering wheel. I've heard these can be easy to spoof the mileage on but if it's got a clean carfax and the mileage recorded on the records have no irregularities it's probably a solid car.

If you get it, are you keeping the hard top or going back to just using the soft top?

I’m actually not sure I’m even going to get a Boxster. My budget covers the bottom end of 996s as well as minty S2000s, and I haven’t made up my mind yet.

There’s something appealing about the reliability and ease of working on an S2000, but the 911 is just so sexy. I’m considering a Boxster because I feel like I should, rather than dismiss it out of hand.

I’d probably ditch the hard top because I’d only be driving it on perfect days and it’d be garaged the rest of the time, so I’d like to be able to drop the top easily.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That toggle is something definetly aftermarket but probably nothing to be concerned about. i actually like the look of the hardtop on the 986, but I'll admit I might be in a minority. I'm a coupe guy.

If you can stretch for a 911 I'd say keep your eyes open for one, but a $10K 986 if it's as nice as it looks is nothing to sneeze at. God drat, the sport seats alone are worth $1.5-2k probably.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

Jealous Cow posted:

I’m actually not sure I’m even going to get a Boxster. My budget covers the bottom end of 996s as well as minty S2000s, and I haven’t made up my mind yet.

There’s something appealing about the reliability and ease of working on an S2000, but the 911 is just so sexy. I’m considering a Boxster because I feel like I should, rather than dismiss it out of hand.

I’d probably ditch the hard top because I’d only be driving it on perfect days and it’d be garaged the rest of the time, so I’d like to be able to drop the top easily.

I've tried a 986 once and while it was good I didn't like it as much as a 996 just because the 996 just felt a lot more different. It probably was different in a bad way because you can tell the heavy rear end but it definitely made it feel special just for the dumb uniqueness of it even if it was technically worse dynamics-wise. Luckily 986s and 996s are both available in a great pricepoint now so by the best you can because they're probably near bottom for a well-documented, under 100k mileage example.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
That 986 looks great. Ton of fun for the price. Jump on it.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

dema posted:

2000 Carrera. Zenith Blue Metallic. Looks kinda purple sometimes, depending on the light. It's a very late 90s color. 43k miles. I'm now the second owner. Has lived in the San Francisco Bay Area its entire life.
Kind of looks like the same purple/blue color as my old 03 boxster

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Jealous Cow posted:

I’m actually not sure I’m even going to get a Boxster. My budget covers the bottom end of 996s as well as minty S2000s, and I haven’t made up my mind yet.

There’s something appealing about the reliability and ease of working on an S2000, but the 911 is just so sexy. I’m considering a Boxster because I feel like I should, rather than dismiss it out of hand.

The S2000 is a very pure and more opinionated driving experience.
The Boxster is a more opinionated design -- "we should make the car MR to produce neutral handling characteristics at the cost of production/packaging complexity."

But the S2000 is all about delivering on a very specific feel. You seat rearward, the steering and power-on oversteer are not linear and become more sensitive toward their limits, and the shifting is 9/10.
The Boxster in comparison is mellow and neutral up to 8/10, but the S2000 exposes its handling characteristics at lower intensity. It's not necessarily hard to drive, you just get more communication from the car that driving it a certain way will better match its design.

Anyways, around town, probably the biggest things you'll notice are the slightly stiffer steering (and occasional weird magnety-ness of the electric power steering at parking lot speeds) and lack of torque. The 986 S has pleasantly usable shove, while the S2000 has to (and really, should) be brought up to 4k before you can get moving.

Something about having two trunks really appealed to my warped sense practicality. The rear one is very shallow but great for a suit bag.

GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008

kimbo305 posted:

The S2000 is a very pure and more opinionated driving experience.
The Boxster is a more opinionated design -- "we should make the car MR to produce neutral handling characteristics at the cost of production/packaging complexity."

But the S2000 is all about delivering on a very specific feel. You seat rearward, the steering and power-on oversteer are not linear and become more sensitive toward their limits, and the shifting is 9/10.
The Boxster in comparison is mellow and neutral up to 8/10, but the S2000 exposes its handling characteristics at lower intensity. It's not necessarily hard to drive, you just get more communication from the car that driving it a certain way will better match its design.

Anyways, around town, probably the biggest things you'll notice are the slightly stiffer steering (and occasional weird magnety-ness of the electric power steering at parking lot speeds) and lack of torque. The 986 S has pleasantly usable shove, while the S2000 has to (and really, should) be brought up to 4k before you can get moving.

Something about having two trunks really appealed to my warped sense practicality. The rear one is very shallow but great for a suit bag.

That is an awesome description. I'm starting to get a list of cars to look at toward the beginning of 2019...how's your experience of the 996 vs the 986 s? Or did you not really get to drive your 996 that much before you sold it?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

GentlemanofLeisure posted:

That is an awesome description. I'm starting to get a list of cars to look at toward the beginning of 2019...how's your experience of the 996 vs the 986 s? Or did you not really get to drive your 996 that much before you sold it?

The 996 is definitely noticeably rear end-heavy. You do some heavy braking, and any steering input can lead to the weight in the back upsetting the rear suspension. It's unsettling but at least you know that the car will do it.
In terms of interior and ergonomics, they're basically the same, for better or worse. Well, besides the rag top being louder at speed.

The 996 didn't have much more acceleration than the Boxster, so the 40hp difference is less than it'd seem on paper. FWIW, both Muffinpox and I thought the 986's power compared favorably to his SC'ed 86, especially in terms of throttle response.
The exhaust mod made the 996 sound the business, and as I understand it, the 986 doesn't have a similar cheap hack.
I think the same short shifter works for 996 and 986? In any case, that's a must-do mod imo, though it doesn't bring it anywhere the S2k.

Fundamentally, the 996 is similar to the 986 in that it is a versatile and competent sports car that is compromised in sharpness compared to an S2k. Yes it is noticeably rear-engined, but unless you're absolutely ripping on on-/off-ramps, the dynamics are tame. The S2000 always felt like it was asking you to pay attention with all your inputs.
I thought the 996 was a satisfying drive but not necessarily worth the possibly several thousand dollar difference in price. I think we used it twice to haul wood from Home Depot, in winter when having the top down for clearance would have sucked.

e: I should add that engine braking from several thousand RPM is a hell of a thing.

kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 5, 2018

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Great descriptions yeah, my only two cents to add: the hydraulic rack on the 986 is a rarity in this day and age and thus a relative communication bonus, and I once saw an S2000 almost lose it just accelerating as a light turned green because it was really wet out. It's a strange feeling to watch someone almost wreck their car coming from a dead stop, saved it tho.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

thechalkoutline posted:

Great descriptions yeah, my only two cents to add: the hydraulic rack on the 986 is a rarity in this day and age and thus a relative communication bonus, and I once saw an S2000 almost lose it just accelerating as a light turned green because it was really wet out. It's a strange feeling to watch someone almost wreck their car coming from a dead stop, saved it tho.

That’s crazy. Bald tires? They have no torque...

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Short wheelbase, LSD, and big toe changes through the travel range in stock suspension geometry are the makings of a car that gets crashed frequently

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Jealous Cow posted:

That’s crazy. Bald tires? They have no torque...

He basically manage to whip his rear end end almost past 45 degrees in 1st gear.

He was going onto a straightaway to merge on a highway so he was probably rev happy when he popped it but yeah I wouldn't expect the punishment for that be "almost spin your car around," also he was freakin pointed straight.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
I feel obligated to also pimp a 968 if you're looking in the 10-20k price range because they're appreciating now and are a shitload of fun. They're the best parts of a 944 in a much more traditional Porsche-y exterior and I thought it was a lot more fun than a 996 C2 since it's just such a polished design. I just sold mine and if I didn't have to transport it during a long move then I'd have definitely kept it since I drove it more than the 996TT that's coming with us.

Voltage
Sep 4, 2004

MALT LIQUOR!
Yeah a 968 would be fantastic but its just a bit too old to have as a DD. Maybe as a 3rd car...

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Jymmybob posted:

They're the best parts of a 944
Except the awesome popups that 944s sport.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Gonna get a 912 with PLUS1 for a plate.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

kimbo305 posted:

Except the awesome popups that 944s sport.
I really prefer the pop ups of the 968 by far.

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



slidebite posted:

I really prefer the pop ups of the 968 by far.

If you're not careful weird headlights are going to become Your Thing

Mcqueen
Feb 26, 2007

'HEY MOM, I'M DONE WITH MY SEGMENT!'


Soiled Meat
I had some extra cash and bought a 944 for a 3rd car.



It immediately had a no start no tach bounce which led to a new fuel relay, fuel filter, plugs and wires, etc.

Turned out to be bad speed/ref sensor (which tested on a multimeter fine, but apparently not good enough). That was a lovely job made shittier by the PO's use of locktite on not only the sensor bolts, but the bracket bolts and a busted off sensor. Oh well, it's old and beat but great fun to run around town in. I think this brings my average owned vehicle year avarage to 1994.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Does anyone DD a 997?
I’ve done an insane thing where I started to look at Golf Rs and M140is, then realised I could get a lightly used M2 THEN realised I could get a 997.
I’d need to drive it in all weathers and figure I’d get winter tyres.

My ideal spec is .2 guards red, Aerokit, BBS.

I am an idiot. Thx.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

A guy locally DDs his 997 in a canadian winter and he looks miserable. That said, I suspect the biggest issue is going to be ground clearance.

Gorgar
Dec 2, 2012

I’ve been daily driving a 997.2 for a few years. Started on an ‘09 S, now on a ‘12 GTS 4. I always swap tires between summer and winter sets. (In fact, i still have the winter rims and tires from the ‘09, if anyone near Chicago needs a set.)

Winter Issues with the ‘09 S: I got it stuck in the alley a few times because there were giant icy ruts from a bad winter and no plowing ever. Was stupid on my part not to find someone to plow it. Otherwise, driving it in snow wasn’t a big deal. Even then, going straight down the alley was fine. Once I put in time with an ice chopper in front of my parking space so I didn’t have to turn across the icy ruts, there were no more problems. Like I said, stupid.

Winter Issues with the ‘12 GTS 4: None.

As long as you put winter tires on it and understand how a rear engine car handles, 997s are great in snow. I wouldn’t park it outside if you can help it. One quirk that applies to both cars: if you get the wheels caked with snow and it freezes, the wheels seem to be light enough that it will affect the balance. It’ll shake on the highway past 55mph or so, and gradually get better until all the crap has flown off. Doesn’t seem to hurt the car, but it’s unsettling the first time it happens, and then just annoying to keep the speed down until the wheels clear. Not an issue around town, or if you have time to run it through a wash, or can keep your garage above freezing.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Starting to understand some of the disdain for convertibles. My B pillar gasket for the top has torn slightly. There's very little available for used parts, and local dealer wants me to bend over to tune of a little over $400 after tax for the gasket.

Going to see if I can repair the tear, but yowza at that price for a relatively small piece.

Tried to remove it and there's a single inaccessible screw that I haven't figured out how to undo without having to remove the entire top. I can try repairing in place but if I have to replace the gasket I might as well figure out how to remove it. Can't find the relevant pages in the FSM and no forum posts online from what I can tell that detail the procedure so I'm going in blind.

Ormy
Apr 5, 2005
We don't have winter in the UK so that isn't really a problem.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

One of my biggest issue with convertibles and the 911 is they just look goofy, and the Coupe just looks so much better.

Of course there is the added complexity, weight, handling downsides and general rattles that typically go along with them too but if someone doesn't really care about those things, then :shrug: whatever floats their boat I guess.

That said, I think the Boxster actually looks pretty decent and handles drat well too.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

slidebite posted:

One of my biggest issue with convertibles and the 911 is they just look goofy, and the Coupe just looks so much better.

Of course there is the added complexity, weight, handling downsides and general rattles that typically go along with them too but if someone doesn't really care about those things, then :shrug: whatever floats their boat I guess.

That said, I think the Boxster actually looks pretty decent and handles drat well too.

If you design it as a vert from the outset, like the S2000 and Boxster, it can look fine with the top down.

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Cross-posting from the youtubes thread but it's worth it for the close-ups of the interior, the engine display, etc.

Singer DLS at Goodwood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLlEgTyGpg0

EXPOSED SHIFTER LINKAGES HNGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Also the AYYYE that goes up when he stalls it lmao

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi
Odometer finally broke. 280k miles short of perfect, but Hail Satan nonetheless.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Found my next daily

https://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1999-porsche-911-carrera-4/6642778491.html

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply