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Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

The Fool posted:

If he had specified desktop os, would you have been less insufferable?

He's the most insufferable person here, and that says a lot. So... probably not, unfortunately.

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Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Jerry Cotton posted:

Let me put it this way: when they decided to call the third Xbox Xbox One I was glad because I thought it would stop hell idiots on Youtube from calling Xbox "Xbox one". My joy was short-lived of course since now they call Xbox "Xbox one I mean the original Xbox not Xbox One LOL" which is even worse.

you mean the: xbox, 360, xbone, xboners

there i fixed your problem

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Plinkey posted:

you mean the: xbox, 360, xbone, xboners

there i fixed your problem

Oh wow I didn't know you can do a search+replace on other people's Youtube dialogue like that :monocle:

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Testing

Jerry Cotton posted:

Oh wow I didn't know you can fart a penis on other people's gay saxophone like that :monocle:
Holy poo poo this changes everything

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Jerry Cotton posted:

Oh wow I didn't know you can b̷̢͚̦̣̫̰̰̥̞̌̚u̸̯̐̓͊̓̀̂́͛̀͆͋̈́̓̉̐t̴̨͇͉̐t̷͔̘̮̞̔̽̏͒̐̎͂̋͆̿́̽͘ a f̶̨̧͙̦̘̣̩̞̥̩͔̙̥͚̭͐̈̽̉̑̓͘ä̴̧̗̤̭̖̖̰̙̟̖̥̗́͐̔̒ͅr̷̖͛͑̋̎̓̃͝t̴̨̢̙̲̜͍̬̣͇͓͚̘̄͒͑͜͜ on other people's b̷̢͚̦̣̫̰̰̥̞̌̚u̸̯̐̓͊̓̀̂́͛̀͆͋̈́̓̉̐t̴̨͇͉̐t̷͔̘̮̞̔̽̏͒̐̎͂̋͆̿́̽͘ f̶̨̧͙̦̘̣̩̞̥̩͔̙̥͚̭͐̈̽̉̑̓͘ä̴̧̗̤̭̖̖̰̙̟̖̥̗́͐̔̒ͅr̷̖͛͑̋̎̓̃͝t̴̨̢̙̲̜͍̬̣͇͓͚̘̄͒͑͜͜s like that :monocle:

Something's wrong.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Jerry Cotton posted:

The Fool posted:

If he had specified desktop os, would you have been less insufferable?
Let me put it this way: when they to call the third Xbox Xbox One I was glad because I thought it would stop hell idiots on Youtube from calling Xbox "Xbox one". My joy was short-lived of course since now they call Xbox "Xbox one I mean the original Xbox not Xbox One LOL" which is even worse.
Just to be clear, you're trying to make an argument for what an insufferable person you are here?

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Plinkey posted:

you mean the: xbox, 360, xbone, xboners

there i fixed your problem

:eng101: xbox, xbox three hundred and sixty, xbox three hundred and sixties, xbox one, xbox ones, xbox one ten.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I don't care if it makes me insufferable, I'm still going to get annoyed when people call Alien and Aliens "Aliens 1 and Aliens 2"

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Plinkey posted:

To be fair the OSX/Linux gaming scene has gotten much better thanks to Unity and Steam. There's a lot more thought put into it now and games are built for it from the ground up since 5-7 years ago. Which was right around when Steam Machine was trying to be a thing.

But yeah whatever is the most popular OS is going to be the default 'gaming' OS. That's just how that works.

Osx isn't half bad, I don't think they get all the AAA stuff but theres a pretty good selection

What's maddening is that just as osx was becoming a semi-viable platform, they announced they're retiring opengl support in favor of their proprietary api. So while I think a lot of devs using unity and the like published to osx "for free" by checking a different box at build time, if there's extra effort to optimize for metal that's probably going away soon

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Regular Nintendo posted:

What's maddening is that just as osx was becoming a semi-viable platform, they announced they're retiring opengl support in favor of their proprietary api. So while I think a lot of devs using unity and the like published to osx "for free" by checking a different box at build time, if there's extra effort to optimize for metal that's probably going away soon
I believe Unity and Unreal support Metal natively (at least on mobile), and for everything else a toolset has been put out to translate the Vulkan API into Metal. It'll be a pain, but probably less of a pain than dealing with Apple's awful OpenGL drivers.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Fallom posted:

VMs are hot garbage until they can simulate a Voodoo 2/3 and SB16 in 98SE imo

Windows 98 SE and Sound Blaster 16 probably aren't much of a challenge for lots of emulators and hypervisors. Voodoo 2 might be a bit more rare but PCem has it: https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2017/06/23/using-voodoo-2-emulation-pcem-86box/

Jerry Cotton posted:

Running Linux inside a virtual machine on a Windows box would literally defeat any possible practical purpose of running Linux at home.

You could put a shortcut to start a VM full screen into your Startup group and maybe avoid the Windows UI until you want to play a game.

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Kins posted:

I believe Unity and Unreal support Metal natively (at least on mobile), and for everything else a toolset has been put out to translate the Vulkan API into Metal. It'll be a pain, but probably less of a pain than dealing with Apple's awful OpenGL drivers.

Oh cool, I totally missed this. That's good news

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

My favourite thing about the xbone is how it keeps quietly losing saves. I don't use it much, but I've got a boyfriend who was a big fan of the 360 and has a bunch of xbone games - and he really can't depend on his saves (or even settings) surviving system updates.

He has talked to MS support about it, and at one point they merged two separate accounts (one US, one EU) with the same username for him. I really don't get how that could happen in the first place, we've never even logged on outside Europe. Either way, that cleared up some weirdness - but his saves still randomly fail when he tries to go back to older games.

Of course, this could be fixed by having a way to export and import saves, but yeah that's not going to happen.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Buttcoin purse posted:

Windows 98 SE and Sound Blaster 16 probably aren't much of a challenge for lots of emulators and hypervisors. Voodoo 2 might be a bit more rare but PCem has it: https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2017/06/23/using-voodoo-2-emulation-pcem-86box/


You could put a shortcut to start a VM full screen into your Startup group and maybe avoid the Windows UI until you want to play a game.

Oh wow. I didn't even realize PCem was a thing. I know what I'm playing with later.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

BattleMaster posted:

I don't care if it makes me insufferable, I'm still going to get annoyed when people call Alien and Aliens "Aliens 1 and Aliens 2"

They are going to hell.

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

Jerry Cotton posted:

They are going on an express elevator to hell.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


BattleMaster posted:

I don't care if it makes me insufferable, I'm still going to get annoyed when people call Alien and Aliens "Aliens 1 and Aliens 2"

It still bugs me whenever I look at my headphones and instantly remember Jodie Foster wearing here headphone backwards (left channel to right ear not the wearing upside down).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRoj3jK37Vc

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Fallom posted:

The compression is deliberately part of “the aesthetic”.

i mean out of all the music genres to exist on floppy vaporwave is one that actually makes sense

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I have a few vaporwave floppies, and while it's certainly A E S T H E T I C the first few listens I ended up downloading the bandcamp versions and loading those into my Google Play Music instead.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

azurite posted:

Oh wow. I didn't even realize PCem was a thing. I know what I'm playing with later.

I should mention that there's also a fork, 86Box, which I think aims to have more experimental stuff in it. And then there's at least one fork of that I've seen mentioned somewhere.

Humphreys posted:

It still bugs me whenever I look at my headphones and instantly remember Jodie Foster wearing here headphone backwards (left channel to right ear not the wearing upside down).

Wasn't there an old Sound Blaster where the channels were reversed? Probably not relevant in this case. Also:

Will emulators emulate the reversed channels?

Do the aliens transmit in stereo?

It wasn't aliens, it was Jaffar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHuu5-T_hTc&t=45s

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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Music on floppy disks just seem like demos without the cool visuals so what's even the point?

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I believe it's typed
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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

It seems a bit like the feelies that came with Infocom games.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Buttcoin purse posted:

I should mention that there's also a fork, 86Box, which I think aims to have more experimental stuff in it. And then there's at least one fork of that I've seen mentioned somewhere.


Wasn't there an old Sound Blaster where the channels were reversed? Probably not relevant in this case. Also:

Will emulators emulate the reversed channels?

Do the aliens transmit in stereo?

It wasn't aliens, it was Jaffar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHuu5-T_hTc&t=45s

Hmm these are all very good questions. Now I'm going down a rabbithole of old soundcards. drat I wanted an Extigy when I was younger. Also remember at school our computers had a 5.25 bay soundcard breakout with little speakers inbuilt.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Humphreys posted:

Hmm these are all very good questions. Now I'm going down a rabbithole of old soundcards. drat I wanted an Extigy when I was younger. Also remember at school our computers had a 5.25 bay soundcard breakout with little speakers inbuilt.

I always used to want to make one of those by just getting a blank face plate, drilling some holes in it, and routing some extension cables through the case, out the back and into the jacks in the back of the audio card. Now they're just a standard thing in cases, lucky I didn't waste my time :v:

I found https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=46201 which confirmed my memory:

quote:

If I recall correctly, SB Pro 1 had reversed stereo and it was fixed with SB Pro 2, but many 'compatibles' remained reversed. And then there's the software which might be reversing things to compensate.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.
I was the rebel with an Aureal and I hated you smug SB16 assholes

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



I ran a Soundblaster well into the 2000s because it made life a lot easier when booted into Linux.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


CaptainSarcastic posted:

I ran a Soundblaster well into the 2000s because it made life a lot easier when booted into Linux.

Don't be silly! Linux doesn't have sound :P (well I've never got it working properly)

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Humphreys posted:

Don't be silly! Linux doesn't have sound :P (well I've never got it working properly)

The worst isn't even that it never works, it's when you complain and 40 000 smelly shits on the Internet immediately pop out for the old "IT WORKS FOR ME" song and dance.

e: They're lying, anyway.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Jerry Cotton posted:

40 000 smelly shits on the Internet

Its weird if you sign your post in the middle of the post

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Humphreys posted:

Don't be silly! Linux doesn't have sound :P (well I've never got it working properly)

Hello, this is Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as "Linux"

recording that shipped with Redhat to test audio. i played it many times when i got my 486 audio working but didn't have any thing to play

mystes
May 31, 2006

That's on kernel.org somewhere if you want to relive your sound configuration days. It's mostly useful when people are saying Linux wrong though.

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


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Linux still doesn't seem to be able to play nice with Wifi either.

At least not USB Wifi adapters, I have tried several and it never even acknowledges them, except for an entry in lsusb.

Arms_Akimbo
Sep 29, 2006

It's so damn...literal.
Linux is good for when you really need to get something done because it's impossible for YouTube or podcasts to distract you

Farmdizzle
May 26, 2009

Hagel satan
Grimey Drawer
I just realized that I haven't had to gently caress around with ndiswrapper in forever and that makes me happy.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Arms_Akimbo posted:

Linux is good for when you really need to get something done because it's impossible for YouTube or podcasts to distract you

I know we're joking around here but legitimately since like 2010 I've never really had any trouble with Linux audio and I'm the kind of weirdo who starts with a stripped down install and adds individual packages as I need them rather than installing a full desktop suite right off the bat. I think Intel HD audio did a big part of it, we're no longer trying to support 50 different audio cards, most everything is just hda or, if you're running on some ancient piece of poo poo, ac97.

I've pretty much only used desktops and Thinkpads for the last 8 years or so though, so maybe scrub garbage poo poo for idiots to compute with at the circus doesn't work so well

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The real fun in Linux is when you have a newer video card. I had to go into my BIOS to enable the onboard video so I could boot into linux, then install an nvidia driver, and then swap the HDMI back to the video card and hope it worked.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_-M-Hn3ZmU

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Pham Nuwen posted:

I know we're joking around here but legitimately since like 2010 I've never really had any trouble with Linux audio

...and that absolutely doesn't help the thousands who have. Meanwhile literally no-one has had trouble getting sound on Windows or whatever the current Apple OS is called.

e: You smelly poo poo.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think a lot of linux nerds are the kind of people who use older hardware anyway since you don't need a beast of a machine to run linux. So when they go to install, everything just works because it's been in the wild so long that someone has made drivers for all their hardware. So someone with a gaming PC wants to check it out and they can't even get USB ports to work because their motherboard is brand new and endless nerds say "I dunno, works just fine on my 486."

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