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guns for tits posted:What's a good beginner nation to play in Victoria 2? I have all the expansions Sweden. If you want something bigger, France is also a good option.
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Jul 7, 2018 19:29
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The usual answers are Brazil, Belgium or the Netherlands, but Prussia is always considered the "most fun" game.
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Jul 7, 2018 19:49
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Prussia is boring as hell unless you’re a wehrb. I suggest Spain since they have a good amount of resources and the Philippines. Alternately, my first game was with piedmont and I was able to form Italy by playing the diplo and prestige game. Northern Italy has a lot of good resources as well.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:19
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Prussia is great to learn the combat aspects (i.e. use loads of artillery to eat up the entire Russian army, then later on goad France into fighting giant battles they can't win where you cart in more and more artillery via railroad). Too bad the influence part at the start is annoying.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:34
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As a general rule, the best way to learn ANY Paradox historical is to start with a big, powerful country and run it into the ground. You'll have more cushion room to gently caress up and more flexibility to do things. France is almost always a great choice for this, possibly excepting HoI4. For CK2, you can also take William the Conqueror if you start at 1066, and work on conquering the British Isles from there. EU4, Castile or the Ottomans will both give you a lot of power and potential to work with. Prussia is a great pick for Victoria 2, and the US is good for learning the colony game and going absolutely crazy with factories and poo poo. HoI4 uses Italy as its tutorial, and that's not a bad choice since they go through all the mechanics very early on, but I'd pick the US again since the US is very, very hard to not be dominant as.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:51
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Senor Dog posted:Prussia is boring as hell unless you’re a wehrb. I suggest Spain since they have a good amount of resources and the Philippines. The hell? Prussia are one of the countries with the best historical plot if that makes sense, seeing as you have clearly defined goals of uniting the north then forming the empire then just getting increasingly swole. Same thing as Piedmont but with less wrangling over rushing prestige so sicily don't beat you to getting the rest of the countries to be annexed by them (gently caress you sicily)
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Jul 7, 2018 20:52
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Redeye Flight posted:As a general rule, the best way to learn ANY Paradox historical is to start with a big, powerful country and run it into the ground. You'll have more cushion room to gently caress up and more flexibility to do things. France is almost always a great choice for this, possibly excepting HoI4.
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Jul 7, 2018 22:41
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The only correct answer for best Victoria 2 starting nation is 1836 Texas.
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Jul 8, 2018 06:57
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ExtraNoise posted:The only correct answer for best Victoria 2 starting nation is 1836 Texas. Man I once had a great game as Texas which ended up with me owning Sonora to Louisiana, was great!
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Jul 8, 2018 17:35
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Has anyone ever played v2's other start date? Even if you wanted to play the Civil War, I'd think it'd much more fun to create it yourself.
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Jul 8, 2018 20:26
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I still can't believe that HOI3 had the tutorial it had. It was another time I suppose.
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Jul 8, 2018 20:55
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I only played anything other than the default start date in CK2 and Victoria Ultimate
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Jul 8, 2018 20:58
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SkySteak posted:I still can't believe that HOI3 had the tutorial it had. It was another time I suppose. I definitely spent a few pages going 'they're can't be doing this, it'll turn out to be Chaplin'
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Jul 8, 2018 21:34
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What's HoI3s tutorial like?
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Jul 8, 2018 21:42
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EdithUpwards posted:What's HoI3s tutorial like? well its given by hitler for starters
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Jul 8, 2018 21:46
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Also in 'the history of Paradox development' HOI3 is the identifiable moment where they try to go all the way down the 'world simulation' road and it's a terrible terrible mistake and so now we have mana points and anyone who complains about them is extremely wrong because HOI3 is a terrifying glimpse into the path not travelled.
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Jul 8, 2018 21:56
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i'd still really like to see the custom game mode reappear in an expansion for hoi4 though
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Jul 8, 2018 22:06
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well its given by hitler for starters 
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Poil posted:Wait, what? he also ended the tutorial by shooting himself
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Jul 8, 2018 22:48
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the tutorial was the only good part of hoi3
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Jul 8, 2018 22:54
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Not the Messiah posted:The hell? Prussia are one of the countries with the best historical plot if that makes sense, seeing as you have clearly defined goals of uniting the north then forming the empire then just getting increasingly swole. Same thing as Piedmont but with less wrangling over rushing prestige so sicily don't beat you to getting the rest of the countries to be annexed by them (gently caress you sicily) You're the strongest state on the planet as soon as you yoink saxony and hannover into your sphere. And it only gets worse from there. I guess for a total newbie, as was the discussion, that's fine but I think learning on more middling nations is better both in having to deal with scarcity and also not being railroaded into victory.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:00
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Poil posted:Wait, what? The whole tutorial is a series of text boxes given by an Austrian painter with a funny mustache living in a bunker who as noted above ends the tutorial by shooting himself
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Jul 8, 2018 23:32
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ExtraNoise posted:The only correct answer for best Victoria 2 starting nation is 1836 Texas. Unironically this. It's incredibly easy to become a liberal socialist paradise as Texas and then sit back and watch as millions of immigrants swarm to your factories.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:45
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Fister Roboto posted:liberal socialist Uh.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:16
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dublish posted:Uh.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:47
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liberal -> socialist hard to do socialism in 1836
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Jeoh posted:the tutorial was the only good part of hoi3
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Jul 9, 2018 02:07
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Darkest Hour remains uncontested as the best HoI. 
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Beamed posted:Darkest Hour Kaiserreich remains uncontested as the best HoI.
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Jul 9, 2018 03:07
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HoI3 is actually pretty good.
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Jul 9, 2018 05:15
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i too love micromanaging HQ units so that all divisions are in command range
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Jul 9, 2018 05:26
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Thanks to a recent leak of Steam numbers, we know now exactly how well these games are doing: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/steam-data-leak-reveals-precise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/ Crusader Kings 2: 3,170,312 Europa Universalis 4: 1,983,657 Stellaris: 1,967,015 Hearts of Iron 4: 1,352,834 This is based on achievements data which leaves Victoria 2 out (though I'm pretty sure it doesn't break the 200,000 player threshold for the top 1000 listed games regardless)
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Jul 9, 2018 06:00
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My HoI 3 experience was joining the Axis as Argentina and then having a very bloody campaign against George Patton trying to lead Armored divisions through the Andes.
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Jul 9, 2018 06:20
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Lum_ posted:Thanks to a recent leak of Steam numbers, we know now exactly how well these games are doing: I'd like to know how many of those CK2 figures were from the time it was free.
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Jul 9, 2018 06:42
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Lum_ posted:Thanks to a recent leak of Steam numbers, we know now exactly how well these games are doing: Not really surprising, considering this list is literally sorted oldest to newest.
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Jul 9, 2018 07:13
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Drone posted:Not really surprising, considering this list is literally sorted best to worst.
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Jul 9, 2018 07:17
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That too, and Stellaris and EU4 being pretty much even with each other matches that. I like HOI4 just fine but it's not as great as the rest.
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Jul 9, 2018 07:19
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I guess it doesn't count people like me though who don't play Paradox games on ironman and thus don't get any achievements at all, since the article also mentions that people who own a game but haven't played it at all don't get registered.
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Jul 9, 2018 07:19
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I expect a lot of Stellaris’ audience is like that, and Paradox have explicitly said it’s their most successful game before. Maybe CK2 beats it in numbers since even before it was free for a bit it’s gone down to practically pennies in a few sales, but even then I wouldn’t be surprised if Stellaris’ actual figures are much more even with it than this chart makes it seem.
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Smh why they do Vicky like that
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