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I stumbled on an RPG.net thread that follows the, well, metaplot between them and was fascinated.
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Jul 8, 2018 22:43
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Daeva is potentially my favorite because I think it had the most compelling way to really grok how vampires come off as these parasitic monsters around others, how they bend people around them psychologically. Obviously it was talking about Majesty but I think it applies more broadly than that, and really enjoyed the POV of a mortal of how "wrong" a vampire is, even when they are also perfect.
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Jul 8, 2018 22:49
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hangedman1984 posted:Random adventure hook idea: I mean, that's pretty explicitly how some Banes formed. We fought one made from a hog confinement, and his poo poo-demon toxic buddy in a Werewolf game I played back in the day. It was vicious.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:40
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Liquid Communism posted:In more fun TRPG news, here's an interesting set of articles on the Swedish edgelord cabal that is Nu White Wolf and how they appear to be deliberately courting the alt-right as their intended audience for the oWOD relaunch.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:53
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Dawgstar posted:I stumbled on an RPG.net thread that follows the, well, metaplot between them and was fascinated. Do you have any links? I'm interested.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:56
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Do you have any links? I'm interested. https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?464972-V-tR-Unravelling-the-Clanbooks-(Warning-very-long-and-spolierish!)
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Jul 9, 2018 01:24
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Dave Brookshaw posted:https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?464972-V-tR-Unravelling-the-Clanbooks-(Warning-very-long-and-spolierish!) This is what I love about nWoD lore.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:29
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:This is what I love about nWoD lore. I know, right? And people say the nWoD doesn't have any setting.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:31
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I'm still impressed that the Old Man On The Shore has managed to find another terminal shoreline to hang out and be incredibly ominous on.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:32
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Mors Rattus posted:I'm still impressed that the Old Man On The Shore has managed to find another terminal shoreline to hang out and be incredibly ominous on. Voormas gets around.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:33
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Dave Brookshaw posted:I know, right? And people say the nWoD doesn't have any setting. It is the inject it into my veins good stuff.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:56
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And the thread title just gets more apropos.
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Jul 9, 2018 02:57
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Daeva is potentially my favorite because I think it had the most compelling way to really grok how vampires come off as these parasitic monsters around others, how they bend people around them psychologically. Obviously it was talking about Majesty but I think it applies more broadly than that, and really enjoyed the POV of a mortal of how "wrong" a vampire is, even when they are also perfect. For me it's Mekhet (love them crazy OCD vampires), but I loved all of them.
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Jul 9, 2018 03:27
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The Gangrel clanbook did not devote enough page space to the incredible influence on Gangrel standing of the clan's, and arguably the entire species', strongest social Discipline power (Protean ***, Claws of the Wild).
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Jul 9, 2018 03:46
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People are blowing up about this on social media at the moment, especially in the MES. We're using the LARP rules that came out in 2013, but we're probably going to see a steady stream of edgelords show up at our games once this gets out.
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Jul 9, 2018 04:07
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It really sucks to see WW fall like this. When I found Vampire and other games I was young and literally all I knew was my dad's old D&D stuff. It's really lame and I know WW always has had issues but as a dorky closet case who kinda had issues with his dad that made D&D not as fun as it could be with those associations having an RPG that was basically 'hey fuckin theater homo you wanna play a goth vampire dork who monologues about the beauty of suffering? That's a whole clan we offer you and everyone around you into it is some flavor of queer dork misfit too' was kinda a whole new world. It really changed how I associated RPGs in general and opened me up to a more story focused kinda gaming. Like I said I know they've always had issues, but going from 'a bunch of white nerds do problematic treatments of minority cultures' to 'son of a bitch they're nazis and they want nazis to buy their game' really blows.
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I actually have a rule for a game setting I run that expressly involves a clash between fascism and other ideologies: You cannot play a fascist. You can play a communist, an anarchist, a staunch reactionary monarchist, but you cannot play an actual fascist. You can play a former fascist who fled into exile during a purge and changed their ideological stance, but you cannot play a fascist. You can play a cartoonishly evil amoral non-factional band of murderhobo PCs who enslave entire towns with opium and sell their children into slavery, but no, you cannot join the fascists. This is largely because until I put that rule in place, I kept getting neckbeards trying to join the game who, of course, wanted to play the fascist, and who would then try and 'wink and nudge' me about gamergate or 'the asians' and poo poo. The alternative is to say 'sure, you can play the fascist' and then let the rest of the party murder them in their sleep, but then I have a big manbaby crying about how it's unfair and trying to doxx other players. We can't play with those themes - and it'd be interesting to do so, in some contexts - because half the audience for elfgames are, well, two steps away from actually being fascists themselves and don't get that they're the bad guys.
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Jul 9, 2018 04:32
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So White Wolf made an official response:
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Liquid Communism posted:So White Wolf made an official response:
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Jul 9, 2018 05:05
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"We didn't intend to make a game for nazis, we just think using imagery and words that appeal to them is a good way to make a dark world" is a powerful move.
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Zereth posted:I mean... I feel like their opinions and intent... don't actually matter. If your marketing and what you're putting in the game is appealing to neo-nazis, well... It's not the thought that counts. Their feelings and intent don't matter but in this case they also suck. Like he's saying, 'if one in five people are Nazis, well, that means one in five of our customers are Nazis." That's like... that's like epic levels of either stupid or dishonest. It's terrible math, to boot.
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Zereth posted:I mean... I feel like their opinions and intent... don't actually matter. Eeeeeh careful.
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Jul 9, 2018 06:57
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Liquid Communism posted:So White Wolf made an official response: poo poo like this is why I will not be working on any more White Wolf-owned IPs after Geist.
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love to call someone an insane conspiracy theorist and then invite them to come and talk quietly out of the public view. It is -real cool- that  is a thing that's spread to White Wolf's terrible game.
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Zereth posted:I mean... I feel like their opinions and intent... don't actually matter. If your marketing and what you're putting in the game is appealing to neo-nazis, well... It's not the thought that counts. O well: I will have the 20th anniversary editions of Wraith, Vampire and Werewolf. They can't actually delete my old, Nazi-free (or -light) books.
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Jul 9, 2018 12:34
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Sion posted:love to call someone an insane conspiracy theorist and then invite them to come and talk quietly out of the public view. is the first defense of people with unsupportable positions when called out on them. Argue the mechanics of debate and tone so you don't have to address the objectionable truths of your position.
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I can't find it right now but there was an article I read that chronicled the way white supremacists and right-wingers had suborned a fair bit of the heavy metal scene, which is particularly European heavy. Since it was essentially a musical genre founded on the performance of transgression, and since 'racism' is one of the few boundaries perceived as very strong, it just sort of naturally followed--to be edgy, they had to break rules. Most of the rules they could break without going to jail were already pretty thoroughly broken, and they didn't want to, you know, go gay. They also didn't want to go to jail--for all their talk about murder and mayhem, these were people who took off the makeup and went to work in the morning. Of course, this forum already understands the problem with performative racism, and how it can become genuine. Likewise with misogyny, homophobia, and so on. If you use enough nazi-adjacent imagery, the full kit starts to feel uncomfortably comfortable.
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So there's also the thing with Swedracula signing off with 'blood and souls.' Gee, that sounds vaguely familiar to something else. Not that I can place it. Just like those four dice are a completely random combination that could happen by chance.
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Dawgstar posted:So there's also the thing with Swedracula signing off with 'blood and souls.' Gee, that sounds vaguely familiar to something else. Not that I can place it. Just like those four dice are a completely random combination that could happen by chance. Fuckin' really?
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Dawgstar posted:So there's also the thing with Swedracula signing off with 'blood and souls.' Gee, that sounds vaguely familiar to something else. Not that I can place it. Just like those four dice are a completely random combination that could happen by chance. ...where?
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gently caress, I forgot this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ezN0vwKhA&t=3624s Yeah, that poo poo totally happened, and looks really loving sketchy in hindsight. 
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Jul 9, 2018 15:57
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 It's old, sure, but I don't really feel like the benefit of the doubt anymore.
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Were there auspice or tribe books written for wtf? Also what gifts/ merits would you take to make dalu form a combat monster? One of my players has minmaxed their urshal form and hates to use any other form, so I'm doing the same for his nemesis with Dalu. I've already got favored form and armored form.
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Jul 9, 2018 18:08
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Soonmot posted:Were there auspice or tribe books written for wtf? One book for each--Tribes of the Moon and Signs of the Moon.
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Soonmot posted:Were there auspice or tribe books written for wtf? Signs of the moon for Auspices, Tribes of the moon for Tribes. They didn't do Splatbooks like they did for oWoD.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Geist is definitely more hopeful than Mage - the Cthonic Gods have the kind of nebulous maybe-they-only-exist-when-you're-looking-at-them thing that people sometimes wrongly assume the Exarchs have, and the game's end states are based around actually making concrete changes to the order of things, where the best a Mage can hope for is defiance to the Thrones and maybe - maybe - Ascension. have you considered Joining The Seers
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Soonmot posted:Also what gifts/ merits would you take to make dalu form a combat monster? One of my players has minmaxed their urshal form and hates to use any other form, so I'm doing the same for his nemesis with Dalu. I've already got favored form and armored form. The Living Weapon Merit. Facets from the Strength Gift, but also Berserker's Might from Rage, Hit and Run from Evasion is nice. One of the big advantages of dalu is that you have hands with opposable thumbs and you can wield a weapon better than the wolf forms. So you might think about giving them a gun (perhaps a fetish one that doesn't let the target use Defense against Firearms) or some other weapon, from there you also have more ability with fighting styles and, potentially, the use of silver as a weapon. The Pack's entry on the Lodge of Garm has the Uma Suguthkuth fighting style, or a 'ritualized art of killing.' Has to be done bare handed but the lodge has special fetish weapons they use it with. The style itself is big on debuffing the target, draining Essence and regeneration, and works better against high Primal Urge opponents.
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Zereth posted:I mean... I feel like their opinions and intent... don't actually matter. If your marketing and what you're putting in the game is appealing to neo-nazis, well... It's not the thought that counts. I mean, it's not like the neo-nazis are somehow the Uruk-Hai here. By and large, they're going to enjoy the same things regular people enjoy, regardless of what regular people seem to think. Hitler loved dogs! I love dogs! I'm probably hosed!
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nofather posted:The Living Weapon Merit. Facets from the Strength Gift, but also Berserker's Might from Rage, Hit and Run from Evasion is nice. You already can't use Defense on Firearms attacks without a thing saying you can.
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