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cerious
Aug 18, 2010

:dukedog:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

what field are you in? what's the salary number? here are a couple questions that our youths think they should have asked but forgot

1) how will you get to the job? (our office is not mass transit accessible so they need to buy a car)
2) is there a signing bonus (our office is not mass transit accessible so if they bitch they get like five grand up front)
3) vesting terms on 401k, matching etc
4) bonuses etc terms
5) vacation / pto / sick time policies and mechanics (monthly / annual accrual, what happens to unused time, etc)
6) when you can join insurance and 401k

make sure you can pay your rent and cover expenses with the amount of money they are offering you. as a recent grad your BATNA is probably garbage unless you are graduating in a very hot field

I just finished my MS in chemical engineering. The job is in process engineering around the Portland OR area at a semiconductor company. It's $80000 base salary with $7000 in projected quarterly+annual bonuses. There is a relocation bonus, not sure how much though.

I'll try to get back with more specifics once I have the concrete offer letter over email and I can go over it. I don't have any other offers lined up at all, this offer came in surprisingly early for me - I had applied to relatively few places while I was in school, and I was planning on applying to more places and broadening my search once I was out. So as for alternatives, I have none essentially. Or at least, none that I've heard back from yet.

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Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

cerious posted:

I just finished my MS in chemical engineering. The job is in process engineering around the Portland OR area at a semiconductor company. It's $80000 base salary with $7000 in projected quarterly+annual bonuses. There is a relocation bonus, not sure how much though.

I'll try to get back with more specifics once I have the concrete offer letter over email and I can go over it. I don't have any other offers lined up at all, this offer came in surprisingly early for me - I had applied to relatively few places while I was in school, and I was planning on applying to more places and broadening my search once I was out. So as for alternatives, I have none essentially. Or at least, none that I've heard back from yet.
According to the American Chemical Society, the median wage for a fresh MS ChemE grad in the Pacific Northwest is $82k. This appears to be a very solid offer, if the benefits line up with your expectations.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
I took a job downtown in a small city like 10 years ago where it's even harder to find parking than it is in most big cities, and asking for a company-paid parking space near the building as a perk once they wouldn't budge further on salary was a pretty nice idea.

In theory I would have no problem with parking three miles away and walking the three miles each way, but in practice this was in the northeast where you'd be trudging through snow and nice 7 months a year.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
I have an interview protocol question.

I work in Manhattan and my job is extremely casual - as in jeans and sneakers. Sports jerseys, Hawaiian shirts, weird vaporwave T-shirts - nobody bats an eye.

I am looking for a new job. If I have an in-person interview in the city, what can I do to bring a suit or stash it somewhere, or to hide my outfit somehow? I don't think that wearing a necktie with a short-sleeve shirt and stashing a nice pair of slacks in my backpack would be a good idea, and if I wore dress shoes it'd stand out.

Seems like my only choices are A) bring a garment bag with a full suit stashed in it, pray for no wrinkles, and get a pair of dress shoes in there too, or B) fake a need to take a half-day, go home, change, and go back into the city for the interview

It'd be easier in the fall/winter since I could just wear a dress shirt under a sweater or something but it's the height of summer, alas.

I definitely don't want to show up in anything short of slacks and a necktie - thus far I haven't had anything lined up for a super-duper-casual company and thus can just wear khakis and a polo - but if I wear a suit to work or dress too formal, it's going to set off alarms.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Why is it a problem for your boss to know you’re interviewing? Getting fired just means getting paid to job hunt.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
Do you have anyone on friendly terms in a different office in the same building! Can you ask them if you can stash the suit there before work, and then pick it up and change when you leave?

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer

Eric the Mauve posted:

Why is it a problem for your boss to know you’re interviewing? Getting fired just means getting paid to job hunt.

I'd rather not jeopardize the income. We've got savings but they're meant for emergencies. IMO, why provoke one by letting it be known?

I doubt he'd take any kind of action, mostly because he'd then have to either handle all the helpdesk crap I'm doing in addition to implementations and stuff/assign one of the other guys to do it, but I'd rather not risk it.


Weatherman posted:

Do you have anyone on friendly terms in a different office in the same building! Can you ask them if you can stash the suit there before work, and then pick it up and change when you leave?

Negative, I'm afraid.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
You do understand that in New York you are entitled to unemployment comp if they fire you for interviewing elsewhere, right? I realize it would be less income than you get now but it also buys you a LOT of time to invest in finding a better job and self improvement during your search.

You know your situation way better than internet goons do of course but I'm just coming at this from the angle that a lot of people are excessively afraid of being fired from a job they actively dislike anyway. Plus as you say the odds they'd actually fire you right away are near-zero anyway, they will want to line up your replacement while you're looking for a new job, which also takes them off the hook for unemployment comp if you leave voluntarily.

Basically what I'm saying is if your mind is made up you are 100% leaving the company then there is really no reason to give a gently caress about everyone knowing it. (Exceptions for highly insular industries where being blackballed for pissing off your boss is a risk.)

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


MJP posted:

I have an interview protocol question.

I work in Manhattan and my job is extremely casual - as in jeans and sneakers. Sports jerseys, Hawaiian shirts, weird vaporwave T-shirts - nobody bats an eye.

I am looking for a new job. If I have an in-person interview in the city, what can I do to bring a suit or stash it somewhere, or to hide my outfit somehow? I don't think that wearing a necktie with a short-sleeve shirt and stashing a nice pair of slacks in my backpack would be a good idea, and if I wore dress shoes it'd stand out.

Seems like my only choices are A) bring a garment bag with a full suit stashed in it, pray for no wrinkles, and get a pair of dress shoes in there too, or B) fake a need to take a half-day, go home, change, and go back into the city for the interview

It'd be easier in the fall/winter since I could just wear a dress shirt under a sweater or something but it's the height of summer, alas.

I definitely don't want to show up in anything short of slacks and a necktie - thus far I haven't had anything lined up for a super-duper-casual company and thus can just wear khakis and a polo - but if I wear a suit to work or dress too formal, it's going to set off alarms.

Find a dry cleaners near your work and drop your suit off to be cleaned. You can pack your nice dress shoes in your bag. You can then stuff then in a garment bag for the ride home after the interview

Unsinkabear
Jun 8, 2013

Ensign, raise the beariscope.





Goodpancakes posted:

Find a dry cleaners near your work and drop your suit off to be cleaned. You can pack your nice dress shoes in your bag. You can then stuff then in a garment bag for the ride home after the interview

This is drat clever

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer

Goodpancakes posted:

Find a dry cleaners near your work and drop your suit off to be cleaned. You can pack your nice dress shoes in your bag. You can then stuff then in a garment bag for the ride home after the interview

2nding the thing about this being clever. I gotta see if the drycleaners up a block or two can do same-day service.

I worry about showing up with my civilian clothes in the garment bag to the interview, though.


Eric the Mauve posted:

You do understand that in New York you are entitled to unemployment comp if they fire you for interviewing elsewhere, right? I realize it would be less income than you get now but it also buys you a LOT of time to invest in finding a better job and self improvement during your search.

You know your situation way better than internet goons do of course but I'm just coming at this from the angle that a lot of people are excessively afraid of being fired from a job they actively dislike anyway. Plus as you say the odds they'd actually fire you right away are near-zero anyway, they will want to line up your replacement while you're looking for a new job, which also takes them off the hook for unemployment comp if you leave voluntarily.

Basically what I'm saying is if your mind is made up you are 100% leaving the company then there is really no reason to give a gently caress about everyone knowing it. (Exceptions for highly insular industries where being blackballed for pissing off your boss is a risk.)

I'm more worried about the "so why are you no longer at Company X?" question. If I lie and say I'm still there, when they do employment verification, all it takes is "MJP worked here from Day X to Day Y" and there goes the job.

There's a whole lot of bias against people who are unemployed, even in IT, and I'd rather not allow that to be factored in.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Yeah, they'll ask "Why did you leave Acme Corp.?" Whereas if you remain employed there, they'll instead ask "Why are you looking to leave Acme Corp.?" Your answer is going to be pretty much the same regardless.

And yeah the dry cleaners thing is an excellent idea and you get your suit spiffy clean too.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


MJP posted:

2nding the thing about this being clever. I gotta see if the drycleaners up a block or two can do same-day service.

I worry about showing up with my civilian clothes in the garment bag to the interview, though.

A lot of dry cleaners don't take garment bags and they certainly aren't necessary. You'll get your suit in a disposable plastic bag and you can put your civilians in whatever backpack / courier bag, or whatever else, you have. Having a bag with you to keep with the secretary or on your person to a job interview isn't strange or unusual. Just don't dump your skid marked underpants on the interview table.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

edit: found what I was looking for!

Enfys fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 4, 2018

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Using percentages seems fine to me. You could also calculate your impact on the A/R Turnover to see if that number looks good.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Ahhhh, this guy who went to my alma mater and who is president of a company in the industry that I want to be in wants to interview me for a new position at his company, except it's two hours from where my wife and I live and I don't think we can move :negative: I'm not going to say no to an interview but why couldn't you have started your company closer to where we live right now?

sim
Sep 24, 2003

Can I get some feedback on my resume? https://imgur.com/a/rfZV5FG

I have 10 years of experience and I'm looking for a remote-only position with a software company as either a front-end developer or an engineering manager. This resume is more targeted towards management. I'll likely create another one to use for individual contributor roles.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Friend, individual contributor roles are far beneath you.

You may not actually believe that but if you want to be taken seriously as a managerial candidate you'd better doublethink yourself into sincerely believing it. Accepting a non-management job actually makes it harder to land a management job later than just remaining unemployed.

sim
Sep 24, 2003

I'm glad you think so! I'll link to my relevant post in the programming forum where I question whether I want to be a manager or not:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3607482&perpage=40&pagenumber=240#post485852625

The advice there is to find a company that compensates IC roles well. I think that's possible. But I hear you about the difficulty of trying to crawl back to management after dipping back down.

Edit: also I have been rejected from every management position I've applied for in the last 4 months due to "lack of enough management experience". So I feel like I'm in that gap where people discount my IC experience and equate me as a junior manager (which is true I suppose).

sim fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 6, 2018

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Have you interviewed for these positions or just been rejected outright?

"Not enough experience" translates to either "you aren't well connected enough" or "we didn't like your interview" or both.

Edit: No hiring manager worth a drat gives a rat's rear end about experience outside of a few specialized fields and unionized jobs. HR obsesses over experience because just hiring the most experienced person is great from the standpoints of (1) covering your rear end/avoiding responsibility and (2) doing as little work as possible, which is attractive to HR people. Actual hiring managers want someone good, and experience is a plus but secondary. If a hiring manager tells you "you aren't experienced enough" they mean either "I hired my/the VP's nephew-in-law" or "you didn't impress me in the interview." (or they're not worth a drat and you'll be happier not working for them.)

Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 6, 2018

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I've hired software managers off the street and if they have no management experience I'm probably stuck teaching people management skills to someone for 6-12 months, so I think the idea that hiring managers don't care about experience is a pretty big over simplification.

If you have been directly managing teams for 2.5 years that is junior in that area, but most software (especially SaaS-likes) wasn't managers to also have technical skills and can get their hands dirty, so a junior manager position might still pay well and have lots of mobility. It all depends, but yes I would expect it would be tough getting leadership positions for 20+ people, but it is by no means impossible.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Eric the Mauve posted:

Have you interviewed for these positions or just been rejected outright?

"Not enough experience" translates to either "you aren't well connected enough" or "we didn't like your interview" or both.

Edit: No hiring manager worth a drat gives a rat's rear end about experience outside of a few specialized fields and unionized jobs. HR obsesses over experience because just hiring the most experienced person is great from the standpoints of (1) covering your rear end/avoiding responsibility and (2) doing as little work as possible, which is attractive to HR people. Actual hiring managers want someone good, and experience is a plus but secondary. If a hiring manager tells you "you aren't experienced enough" they mean either "I hired my/the VP's nephew-in-law" or "you didn't impress me in the interview." (or they're not worth a drat and you'll be happier not working for them.)

:smith: Looks like indie hackers is the only way for me then

sim
Sep 24, 2003

Eric the Mauve posted:

Have you interviewed for these positions or just been rejected outright?

No interview, just resume rejected after review. I'm typically applying for startups with well under 100 employees, so I believe them when they say they actually reviewed my resume, even if it's still a templated response. Strangely, I had my resume rejected from one Engineering Manager position because I was "overqualified". I think they saw the titles on my resume and forgot to discount that I got them while at tiny startups.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
e: nvm

Gin_Rummy
Aug 4, 2007
Have any of you every worked with a career transition firm known as Lee, Hecht, Harrison? I was recently laid off and my previous employer is covering three months of their services and it feels like a huge joke. They just sent me their first draft of my resume revision (which I’ve already workshopped and refined via Reddit) and the poo poo they did... how can anyone who writes resumes for a living think that a two page resume is a good idea?

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Never heard of that specific outfit but your read that they are a huge joke is almost certainly correct

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Gin_Rummy posted:

Have any of you every worked with a career transition firm known as Lee, Hecht, Harrison? I was recently laid off and my previous employer is covering three months of their services and it feels like a huge joke. They just sent me their first draft of my resume revision (which I’ve already workshopped and refined via Reddit) and the poo poo they did... how can anyone who writes resumes for a living think that a two page resume is a good idea?

I worked with a similar firm that was a pretty big joke. The one thing they did have was some good material for independent consulting, but that wasn't really possible for me at this point. Everything else they did was pretty useless.

Robot Mil
Apr 13, 2011

Does anyone have any tips for writing a resume to find a job you are technically overqualified for?

I've relocated from the UK to Canada and it will take me a while (possibly 6 months to a year) to get professionally registered in my field, so until then I want a related job (I'm a health professional) but I won't be able to apply for anything that requires registration. I have a doctorate and 6 years of qualified experience in my specialised field, but unless I find someone willing to take me on as pre-registered, I may be applying for much more entry/assistant level and tangentially related jobs to tide me over. I'm not precious about doing the work, it will be good experience and I like working in the field in any capacity, but I'm not sure how to 'spin' my resume.

Also going from UK to Canada in a health profession field, is it right that my resume should be one page max? I'm getting my head around writing an achievement based resume, but struggling to condense my qualifications/experience.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I have been hiring people for 10+ years. I don't care about multi page resumes and when recently switching jobs mine was two full pages. Don't add fluff, keep it pertaining to the position you are looking for, and more than one page is fine. This is coming from the software field, but I would imagine healthcare is similar.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Lockback posted:

Don't add fluff, keep it pertaining to the position you are looking for, and more than one page is fine.

But doesn't leaving non-relevant things out imply that there will be gaps? I thought those were bad and make it less likely you'll get a callback.
Also can I PM you a resume for feedback?

Robot Mil
Apr 13, 2011

Love Stole the Day posted:

But doesn't leaving non-relevant things out imply that there will be gaps? I thought those were bad and make it less likely you'll get a callback.
Also can I PM you a resume for feedback?

I mean I probably wouldn't just leave stuff out completely but maybe stick my qualifications at the bottom without much mention and try and focus on transferable skills when I talk about my experience/previous jobs?

Are personal/summary statements a good idea on this situation?

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

I've just been invited to my first (non-coop) interview! The email stated it'll be 3 hours long.

Is it kosher to request a 5-minute break in the middle of that? I have a minor health condition that may get painful (distracting me from the interview) otherwise.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

Killingyouguy! posted:

I've just been invited to my first (non-coop) interview! The email stated it'll be 3 hours long.

Is it kosher to request a 5-minute break in the middle of that? I have a minor health condition that may get painful (distracting me from the interview) otherwise.

I think that's totally fine, and unless they were planning to have you talk to one person or group of people for three whole hours they were probably planning to have a break in there somewhere.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Love Stole the Day posted:

But doesn't leaving non-relevant things out imply that there will be gaps? I thought those were bad and make it less likely you'll get a callback.
Also can I PM you a resume for feedback?

I mean, don't spend a lot of space talking about a position that doesn't apply. For example, now that I'm in management my years in a technical position are summarized down to 2 bullet points. Generally you don't want gaps, but you don't need to go in depth either, that's what I mean by don't have fluff and keep it focused. I don't really care that you were server-of-the-month at Applebees, but if I'm hiring a fresh-out-of-college guy its not bad to know someone worked through college.

Yeah, feel free to PM.

Robot Mil posted:

I mean I probably wouldn't just leave stuff out completely but maybe stick my qualifications at the bottom without much mention and try and focus on transferable skills when I talk about my experience/previous jobs?

Are personal/summary statements a good idea on this situation?

I like to see them, some other hiring managers ignore them. If I see you mention that you hiked the Appalachian trail or are a master Scuba diver or something I'll ask some questions just to see what you're like talking about something you're passionate about. I like to hire people who aren't robots and I like when I can see people get excited about something. Again, 2 or 3 sentences is probably fine. I also hire in India and there they like to give a couple paragraphs on what their family is up to and stuff, that is probably too much in the US.

Nanomachine Son
Jan 11, 2007

!
This might be a weird question, but I'm wonder what is the best way to describe a period of self-employment / contract work on my resume?

For context, I left a company in 2017 but continued to work freelance for them up until early 2018 when I got a full-time job at a local start-up which crumbled 4 months in. The company I was working for in 2017 was still interested in me after the start-up fell apart so now I'm back working with them, but I'm kind of wondering how I frame this on my resume so it doesn't look like I'm making things up next time I need to seek employment.

The reason I'm anxious about this is it feels like the last time I was in that position I was getting a large number of lukewarm responses about my resume. I had just listed the contracting period as a 'self-employed / freelance' blurb that detailed the duties I performed. It sure felt like I was getting more active responses when I was able to list the last company I worked for directly by name.

My main thoughts are just listing the companies I've done business with directly in that section and maybe filing some kind of proper business entity for myself to actually demonstrate some more legitimacy. Still wondering what is the best way to handle this gap in 2018 while I was working for the other company, just display it as X, 2017 - Y 2018; Z 2018 - Present?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

TheOrange posted:

This might be a weird question, but I'm wonder what is the best way to describe a period of self-employment / contract work on my resume?

For context, I left a company in 2017 but continued to work freelance for them up until early 2018 when I got a full-time job at a local start-up which crumbled 4 months in. The company I was working for in 2017 was still interested in me after the start-up fell apart so now I'm back working with them, but I'm kind of wondering how I frame this on my resume so it doesn't look like I'm making things up next time I need to seek employment.

The reason I'm anxious about this is it feels like the last time I was in that position I was getting a large number of lukewarm responses about my resume. I had just listed the contracting period as a 'self-employed / freelance' blurb that detailed the duties I performed. It sure felt like I was getting more active responses when I was able to list the last company I worked for directly by name.

My main thoughts are just listing the companies I've done business with directly in that section and maybe filing some kind of proper business entity for myself to actually demonstrate some more legitimacy. Still wondering what is the best way to handle this gap in 2018 while I was working for the other company, just display it as X, 2017 - Y 2018; Z 2018 - Present?

Yeah, that's what I would do. Depending on the industry on how common freelancing is you can either mention it or not. To give full info I'd present it like:

---
Acme 2015-Present (freelance between March 17-Feb 18)
Making sure grapes were red

Binko March 2017-Feb 2018
Painting grapes red
---

I wouldn't call that self-employed if you were just essentially working 2 jobs.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
From a hiring company's standpoint, if I look at a resume and see that you've been a freelancer/independent contractor for the past year or whatever, that means one of two things:

1. You've been unemployed/not working but don't want to admit it. This can actually look worse than simply having a gap in your work history.

or

2. You actually have been working for one or more companies as an independent contractor. In this case, if I represent a company whose top three priorities when hiring are cheap, cheap, and cheap (most large companies fit this description) then I will probably not call you back because you are probably a person who has an idea of what your skills are actually worth, so it would be a waste of our time to talk since I'm offering half that or less.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Eric the Mauve posted:

1. You've been unemployed/not working but don't want to admit it. This can actually look worse than simply having a gap in your work history.

:smith: Just can't win

Nanomachine Son
Jan 11, 2007

!
Yeah, that’s the kind of thing I worry about. It is a full time contract with this company but I’m still remote / 1099 so from a purely technical perspective I don’t know if I could list myself as just being employed by them.

To some extent I figure I might just list my start with them as when I worked in the office until present, but should how should I detail those caveats or leave it more as something to explain in a potential interview?

Ideally not something to worry about anytime soon but it gives me pause to keep it for anything long term if it reflects poorly next time I need to be looking.

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Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Edit: After thinking about this a bit I don’t really think it’s a big deal, just list them, especially if they’re the only company you’ve been getting money from (i.e. you are still essentially employed by them.) It’s increasingly common for companies to convert employees into contractors wherever they can legally get away with it because gently caress giving benefits and accepting liability. It’s not really an issue.

When I wrote my last post I was thinking of just seeing “freelancer” on a resume with no specifics (which company/companies, what exactly did you do, etc.) which is a red flag. But your situation is pretty common.

Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Jul 13, 2018

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