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Ace of Baes posted:you have to admit, the idea that anyone could control cum town fans, who literally stalk, harass, and send death threats to the hosts of the podcast they're fans of, is pretty funny, they literally screwed one of the hosts out of a 6 figure commerical he landed by sending the company his problematic tweets as a bit Kind of a thing these days where people use crazy fans as an excuse to dismiss... well, literally anything that's inconvenient to them, when they're literally everywhere for everything at all times now and acknowledging them only encourages them.
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ScrubLeague posted:i joined my local and have not attended a single event even though a couple of people have called me pleading to come join their rally or whatever but idk man it's hot outside I just follow mine on social media and give them money whenever they do a GoFundMe for a protest. All the socials and meetings and poo poo are when I'm at work. 
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Jul 10, 2018 07:37
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when people say California is dry they don't mean the coastline dude.
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so one of my terminally online friends is ranting about DSA again on Facebook, I can’t tell what happened outside of the cum town subreddit existing. that and apparently Amber Frost can’t do anything right. is that the gist of it?
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Jul 10, 2018 08:54
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Drinking bleach tonight to have yallidarity with my neurodivergent bros
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Dirk Pitt posted:so one of my terminally online friends is ranting about DSA again on Facebook, I can’t tell what happened outside of the cum town subreddit existing. that and apparently Amber Frost can’t do anything right. Yeah the DSA male only online caucus is upset that women exist again and it's not sexist because they're autistic or gay or some other kind of meaningless label that means they get free reign to be sexist for some reason
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arpwel is blaming this on the medium post that called him out on being a huge self aggrandizing rear end in a top hat lol
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Jul 10, 2018 09:05
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:arpwel is blaming this on the medium post that called him out on being a huge self aggrandizing rear end in a top hat lol Your avatar fits perfectly as my response to that. 
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Jul 10, 2018 09:08
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I still don't understand what this apparent disability caucus is complaining about. Literally just some people on some subreddit making fun of a guy's history of burning down everything he can?
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Jul 10, 2018 09:11
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they're functionally indistinguishable from saboteurs. I wouldn't rule out them being cointelpro, but honestly the difference doesn't matter. the quicker they get booted out, the better.
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Jul 10, 2018 09:32
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rudatron posted:they're functionally indistinguishable from saboteurs. I wouldn't rule out them being cointelpro, but honestly the difference doesn't matter. the quicker they get booted out, the better. lol
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Jul 10, 2018 09:47
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theyre just very online morons
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Jul 10, 2018 09:53
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I hope one day someone justifies my bumbling incompetence and inability to form a coherent view as masterful sabotage. I'm getting sick of just being a lazy idiot.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:theyre just very online morons mmm but what if, and im just throwing this out there, theyre the feds? please take me seriously
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Jul 10, 2018 10:02
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:theyre just very online morons hell, same
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Jul 10, 2018 10:07
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going to start tweeting that ancient fbi manual for breaking up union and civil rights meetings by obstructionism to the online caucus
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Jul 10, 2018 10:10
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Are they former liberals? The pre-2016/decorum poisoned liberal activist playbook is basically indistinguishable from COINTELPRO.
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Jul 10, 2018 10:12
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They were Hashtag With Her until like 6 months ago. If you've heard the Cum Town bit where Homer gets woke and joins the DSA and says 'you know how important socialism has been to me these last 6 months!' it's exactly that
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Man, I hate this poo poo. I wish we could get a real postmortem done on what happened in the national DWG. People talk about broadcasting internal issues over Twitter as a way to provoke a response when traditional channels break down. And that makes sense, except every time it's done it's all inside baseball poo poo half-rumors and a nonspecific letter. Having a national DWG makes so much sense! They should obviously be a part of any M4A organizing. Providing a centralized list of resources for locals to use for better accessibility is great. So what happened? Why didn't this work? We're going to get sniping tweets back and forth and people are going to choose sides based on their opinions on a loving podcast and the 90% of the membership who isn't directly in the know is going to roll their eyes and shrug at the latest DSA national disfunction.
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quote:The first step is clear: making right slights against disabled comrades that date back to before the Convention, first boiled to the surface on the Convention’s final day, and have continued throughout the past year. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. What does this actually mean? As in, what is the actual corrective course of action? Everybody's shouting 'Do Better!' and nobody's laying out specifics pathways for improvement.
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. What does this actually mean? As in, what is the actual corrective course of action? Everybody's shouting 'Do Better!' and nobody's laying out specifics pathways for improvement. It's standard extremely online liberal playbook with 'comrades' thrown in; use the first available minority status as a shield, have the touchiness of a shaved money and throw a tantrum any time you're not being treated like the prettiest princess in the room, use nebulous accusations of harassment and bigotry where asking for proof examples is considered proof of bigotry, and sabotage people actually doing real work while simultaneously taking all the credit for it.
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isn't it also standard extremely online liberal playbook to label people with criticisms or complaints as wreckers?Ghost Leviathan posted:Kind of a thing these days where people use crazy fans as an excuse to dismiss... well, literally anything that's inconvenient to them, when they're literally everywhere for everything at all times now and acknowledging them only encourages them. Sheng-Ji Yang posted:arpwel is blaming this on the medium post that called him out on being a huge self aggrandizing rear end in a top hat lol rudatron posted:they're functionally indistinguishable from saboteurs. I wouldn't rule out them being cointelpro, but honestly the difference doesn't matter. the quicker they get booted out, the better. Ghost Leviathan posted:It's standard extremely online liberal playbook with 'comrades' thrown in; use the first available minority status as a shield, have the touchiness of a shaved money and throw a tantrum any time you're not being treated like the prettiest princess in the room, use nebulous accusations of harassment and bigotry where asking for proof examples is considered proof of bigotry, and sabotage people actually doing real work while simultaneously taking all the credit for it. Ghost Leviathan posted:Are they former liberals? The pre-2016/decorum poisoned liberal activist playbook is basically indistinguishable from COINTELPRO. Ace of Baes posted:I don't think any of this stuff really matters very much, the worst of the wreckers have pretty much told on themselves to the point where this is just gonna he another Twitter drama news cycle, meanwhile the DSA is growing faster than ever and tons of chapters are doing great work BENGHAZI 2 posted:I'm not doing that and also have autism among other issues and also I think the dwg are wreckers 
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It's weird how these situations involve everybody airing dirty laundry, yet I always feel like no one is telling me anything and I have no idea what's going on. Are Arpwel and the DWG supporters alleging that Amber sicced the Cum Town fandom on them? Because I know what that looks like, and I think that if she were doing that she'd be a lot more online than she is currently.
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as a disabled member of the dsa i was getting pretty tired of seeing people like me used as a shield for these brand-building motherfuckers
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So is no one in the DSA disability working group actually involved with disability rights advocacy? There is a huge infrastructure of progressive disability advocacy already, from ADAPT to Bazelon to NAMI and so forth; the National Disability Rights Network; etc. Like disability policy is a serious area where a lot of active work is being done, why is everyone involved here apparently just Very Online types writing Medium posts at each other? Where are the attorneys and what are the policy goals beyond "ADA Good"
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Syndlig posted:isn't it also standard extremely online liberal playbook to label people with criticisms or complaints as wreckers? no, liberals concern troll, which only seeks to destroy the discourse. wrecking destroys organizations capable of action.
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I would take disability activism (and specifically mental health activism) within the DSA a lot more seriously if I ever heard about any of it beyond being offended that a podcast says "retard" or (per local activist Twitter) it's offensive to call Nazis "crazy" or "insane." For all I know there are local committees all over the country working for handicap accessibility, better service from government bureaucracy, and a host of related concrete issues. But AFAIK the discourse is centered around some people being mad at Amber Frost.
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Halloween Jack posted:I would take disability activism (and specifically mental health activism) within the DSA a lot more seriously if I ever heard about any of it beyond being offended that a podcast says "retard" or (per local activist Twitter) it's offensive to call Nazis "crazy" or "insane." Part of the issue may be that the committed activists are already active in existing organizations (again, ADAPT, etc), so don't see a need to involve the DSA, and unlike a lot of other issues, it's not precisely clear (at least to me -- feel free to enlighten me!) what a socialist perspective adds to the disability advocacy debate, beyond what existing organizations are already doing -- calling for guaranteed universal health care, pay equality, etc. For example, I'm not sure what a socialist perspective even has to say about (to name two current hot-button disability rights issues) the de-institutionalization debate, or the appropriate standard for mental health commitments, etc.
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Hey I would love to talk to my local about my family's experiences with inadequate special needs education in the regional public school system, but that can wait until we deal with these one hundred percent derisive reddit comments.
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lmao why is he documenting unconnected reddit threads and not the many brutal owns in the replies to his tweets
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So is no one in the DSA disability working group actually involved with disability rights advocacy? There is a huge infrastructure of progressive disability advocacy already, from ADAPT to Bazelon to NAMI and so forth; the National Disability Rights Network; etc. From what I've read, those groups are also very effective and good at it. Like, maybe the DSA doesn't need a disability working group. It can just follow behind the efforts of these allied groups. Maybe the local chapters put people in place to keep connected with those groups?
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skipping a lot of pages to post "im not a cop" since no one was asking if im a cop
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Halloween Jack posted:Hey I would love to talk to my local about my family's experiences with inadequate special needs education in the regional public school system, but that can wait until we deal with these one hundred percent derisive reddit comments. There should be a disability rights network legal aid "Protection & Advocacy" office in your area who can help with issues like that -- for example, in NY, http://www.drny.org/ , in california it's https://www.disabilityrightsca.org/ , etc. It's not a one-stop problem solving magic wand for disability issues but it's usually a good place to get started.
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This isn't an issue that's currently affecting me, or that I would expect any kind of national level working group to help out with--just my personal experience and an issue I'd be happy to get active about. (Though I am still hoping to help my family with some related issues, like transportation for disabled folks in rural areas.)
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Halloween Jack posted:This isn't an issue that's currently affecting me, or that I would expect any kind of national level working group to help out with--just my personal experience and an issue I'd be happy to get active about. (Though I am still hoping to help my family with some related issues, like transportation for disabled folks in rural areas.) Yeah rural transportation and especially medical transportation is a gigantic clusterfuck right now from a few angles. Partly it's generalized lack of infrastructure, but there's a confounding problem where very large corporations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_Service_Corporation etc) have effectively monopolized medical transport -- then they provide poo poo service and the state Medicaid agencies can't do poo poo because if the contractor pulls out there's no alternate contractor to fill the void.
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I do not like how the DWG are drama magnets It's like loving high school poo poo
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