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Finicums Wake posted:according to a vox article i just read, if every dem senator abstains from roll call votes the whole chamber grinds to a halt because republicans dont have enough votes to provide a quorum. idk whether convincing 2 gop senators to vote no on kavanaugh is easier than convincing every dem senator to play procedural hardball tho they have 51 senators. there is no situation in which they cannot establish quorum for this
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one of their 51 cannot vote, currently
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Joementum posted:one of their 51 cannot vote, currently my dude they will build the loving teleportation chamber from the fly to get mccain up in there to vote and poo poo manchin would do it for free
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Jul 10, 2018 12:55
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3 democrats will vote for the guy, it's all moot
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Serf posted:my dude they will build the loving teleportation chamber from the fly to get mccain up in there to vote yeah, i think keeping a manchin type from defecting would be more difficult for dems than establishing a quorum with only R votes would be for GOP. it's still worth figuring out what procedural options the dems actually have for blocking this are tho, imo, even if it's only to shut down future centrist apologists who will claim that they dems had no choice but to let the court fall to conservatives for at least a generation
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when Bernie said we must do EVERYTHING to stop the nom, he meant EVERYTHING
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isn't it also possible to just clog the whole thing up with useless poo poo? i'm sure that if you wanted you could troll the senate basically forever by asking for nonsense
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the dems can still object to every motion in the senate and force a roll call vote on each, which takes about a half hour a piece everything done in the chamber is objectionable, including when senators give boring speeches to the c-span cameras and the motion to adjourn for the night
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Serf posted:isn't it also possible to just clog the whole thing up with useless poo poo? i'm sure that if you wanted you could troll the senate basically forever by asking for nonsense so just elect Baloogan then, got it PROLIX PROLIX PROLIX!!!!!!!!!!!
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Somebody's keeping score: Anybody who is waiting and seeing is a yes. Everyone knows this but they're still allowed to pretend. If they were pressed about what they were waiting to see they wouldn't be able to name anything.
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its funny how people still engage in political theater. just go ahead and call him justice kavanaugh or whatever
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Joementum posted:the dems can still object to every motion in the senate and force a roll call vote on each, which takes about a half hour a piece they could, but then also the senate could simply change the rules with 50 votes and vp. since we decided that you can "re-interpret" senate rules with a simple majority vote, there is essentially no limit to a determined majority leader's power.
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Concerned Citizen posted:they could, but then also the senate could simply change the rules with 50 votes and vp. since we decided that you can "re-interpret" senate rules with a simple majority vote, there is essentially no limit to a determined majority leader's power. then force them to do it. you wont get anything done by saying how it can fail then assuming it happens anyway
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Agean90 posted:then force them to do it. you wont get anything done by saying how it can fail then assuming it happens anyway
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The dems aren't gonna do poo poo for repercussions for the ones that vote yes, either.
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The funniest possible outcome is Paul, Collins and murkowski vote no and 3 Dems vote Yes and the press just covers it as a 51-49 party line vote so that's what's gonna happen
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I love for a lifetime appointment to handpick their own successor to almost no outrage, it's so quintessentially american https://twitter.com/qrush/status/1016523009174237184 all the maybes lining up in the D camp, lookin to succ on some scotus dick
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Stop being so pessimistic. McCain could die today! 
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Concerned Citizen posted:they could, but then also the senate could simply change the rules with 50 votes and vp. since we decided that you can "re-interpret" senate rules with a simple majority vote, there is essentially no limit to a determined majority leader's power. Quorum requirement is in the Constitution
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Quorum requirement is in the Constitution Lets send it to the SC so they can rule the constitution unconstitutional and really get this thing going If society is going to collapse it may as well get on with it
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Quorum requirement is in the Constitution The senate presumes a quorum is met, so you would need at least 1 Dem senator on hand to ask for a roll call vote. Otherwise the Republicans can just presume quorum is met and approve by unanimous consent. So with McCain out you still would have 51 senators. Even with 50 the Senate could probably rule Pence in as enough to make quorum or some dumb poo poo. HiHo ChiRho has issued a correction as of 14:35 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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lmbo at all of you doubting our strong and good boy joe manchin
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Agean90 posted:then force them to do it. you wont get anything done by saying how it can fail then assuming it happens anyway that's what happened with gorsuch, and the end result was that they lol'ed and did it anyway so whatever. the dude is gonna get confirmed
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quote:Schumer has told colleagues that reviving complaints about the Garland process will be ineffective, referring to Republicans’ refusal to consider Barack Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland. Instead the party needs to attack the nominee specifically, Schumer’s team has advised Senate offices, according to Democratic aides who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly.  
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Al! posted:that queer eye show is horrific My wife likes it and has had it on in the background while I do nerd poo poo before; my main critique is that there's really no reason beyond gimmick for the main cast to be 100% stereotype flamboyant gay dudes (only one of them is a Fashion Expert anyway; one of them is literally just a cooking/diet expert and one is just a life coach) and they keep revamping everybody's houses to look like boutique hotel rooms which feels soulless
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loquacius posted:My wife likes it and has had it on in the background while I do nerd poo poo before; my main critique is that there's really no reason beyond gimmick for the main cast to be 100% stereotype flamboyant gay dudes (only one of them is a Fashion Expert anyway; one of them is literally just a cooking/diet expert and one is just a life coach) and they keep revamping everybody's houses to look like boutique hotel rooms which feels soulless a lot of women i know love the show, often speaking about its ability to bring people to tears apparently its all about empowerment and uplifting, which frankly is pretty cool i haven't seen it, but if it makes people feel good about themselves, then i think its fine edit: on a more serious note, we're totally hosed, huh? all this news is pretty depressing. how are the dems so astoundingly incapable?
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RaySmuckles posted:a lot of women i know love the show, often speaking about its ability to bring people to tears Yeah it's definitely less judgey than I assumed it would be (although I have never paid full attention to an entire episode so YMMV) and there's a lot of confidence-building type stuff which is good
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there is essentially nothing the Dems can do to stop the Kavanaugh nom from passing, unless a couple of GOP senators either vote with the Dems or suddenly die. and both are extremely unlikely the important thing now is to look to the future, because this is a long-term problem: even if the Dems win the presidency and the Senate in 2020, none of the conservative justices are going to retire in that term, and there's a decent chance that they'll all make it through the 2024-2028 term too. so if the Dems want to do anything about the conservative majority Trump has created, it won't be enough to just control the presidency and Congress - they'll also need to break norms and pack the court or something that is the next fight. that, and taking over as many state legislatures as possible so that they can get rid of all the lovely state laws that'll pop up once Roe and Brown are overturned give up on the current seat. the Dems already lost that fight. the time to make a big deal about it was two years ago. now, there's nothing left to do but look to the future, commit to plans to undo the damage Trump has done, and plan to purge the hell out of every Dem who votes for Kav or even says a kind word about him
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The Democrats don't want to control state houses though because the ultra wealthy liberal donor base is concentrated into like 5 states so why care about anywhere else
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Al! posted:that queer eye show is horrific Queer eye show is old as hell.
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Missingnoleader posted:Queer eye show is old as hell. They brought it back with new gays.
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Main Paineframe posted:there is essentially nothing the Dems can do to stop the Kavanaugh nom from passing, unless a couple of GOP senators either vote with the Dems or suddenly die. and both are extremely unlikely is there any scenario where court packing doesn't quickly descend into constitutional crisis levels of absurdity? like in order to do it, first you'd have to abolish the legislative filibuster (since the court size is set by law, not just precedent). then you'd probably be declaring nuclear option to remove all rules that allow the minority to obstruct. after that, you are just confirming as many justices as you can - literally hundreds - as there is absolutely no reason to not do that. and as soon as the gop gets a senate majority/wh combo again, they then do the exact same thing back. i don't see how it's a desirable or realistic path. i mean it'd be funny, like watching your government become a complete trainwreck, but also would not be funny because it'd be hosed up and somehow even more dysfunctional.
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