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Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

lol

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lol

https://twitter.com/sparkyblix/status/1016846407070830592

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
drat, forgot that those kind of statehood/partition referendums just ask congress to ultimately pass a bill, so dems would need to pull all that poo poo off well before the 2040 date that ornstein threw out there.

my previous post was based off the assumption that dems could add those senate seats just by controlling state-level government in urban and densely populated blue states. if dems have to control the senate anyways, there are prob more elegant solutions than to just add more and more states.

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
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ocasiomentum

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Finicums Wake posted:

ocasiomentum

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/klnynews/status/1016834708989186049?s=19

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/disco_socialist/status/1016659740447817728?s=19

https://twitter.com/disco_socialist/status/1016774619376730112?s=19

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

why is that “unsettling?” unless of course you are classist.

He would rather the rulers be ones wearing his team's jersey instead of the other one's

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
also why are you idiots still talking about the dems as if they will still be a viable party in the future?

reform voting destroy the two party system.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Time for a Buttigieg Ocasio ticket?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

etalian posted:

Time for a Buttigieg Ocasio ticket?

gently caress NO

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Matt Zerella posted:

gently caress NO

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

etalian posted:

Time for a Buttigieg Ocasio ticket?

Pass.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

etalian posted:

Time for a Buttigieg Ocasio ticket?

Buttigieg does have a poster and thats just mainly because he has a funny name

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Matt Zerella posted:

gently caress NO

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


buttigieg doubters, you will know shame, in the end

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Jazerus posted:

buttigieg doubters, you will know shame, in the end

wrong. he succ

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003


the piss tape is real

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

gradenko_2000 posted:

like the entire project of the Republicans has been to be in power permanently. They even thought they had it with Reagan going into HW Bush

The point of politics is to win, all the time. You don't plan on what happens when the pendulum swings back the other way, you run the table so that it never does

OK, but on the other hand, we'll regularly say the Dems hosed up for assuming that Clinton would win in 2016, or that otherwise various measures that could be easily undone by GOP victories didn't matter. Not doing this might have enabled "planning on what happens when the pendulum swings back the other way."

edit: whoops, this is from way back.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)


But what will this mean for Democrats in Alabama?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

But what will this mean for Democrats in Alabama?

maybe

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006



https://twitter.com/Farmers4Bernie/status/1016848286622322693

:hellyeah:

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



GunnerJ posted:

OK, but on the other hand, we'll regularly say the Dems hosed up for assuming that Clinton would win in 2016, or that otherwise various measures that could be easily undone by GOP victories didn't matter. Not doing this might have enabled "planning on what happens when the pendulum swings back the other way."

edit: whoops, this is from way back.

the difference is the dems assumed hillary would win when there was no reason for them to be that confident that trump couldnt win except pure ideology. the polling was basically 50-50

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!



:decorum:~Credentials~:decorum:

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1016803526788505601

Biden's ears are burning.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

comedyblissoption posted:

American wages don't have to decline for immigrants (legal or otherwise) to have an adverse affect on american laborers' aggregate economic interest in a capitalist context. Wages stagnating while workers' productivity keeps increasing is an adverse effect.

Before the 70s, american wages had increased along w/ their productivity because there was a chronic shortage of labor even with mass immigration. After the 70s without the labor shortage and increased automation, american wages stagnated.

I meant to say that the study authors referenced by this page's Table 2, were examining the impact of immigration on wages, not whether wages declined during the period of immigration. I'm assuming the study authors, who looked at 1990+, took the possibility of a labor shortage into account. Your point still makes intuitive sense to me, though. Could you offer a citation? I also found a Politifact article that discusses the "does immigration decrease wages for native workers" question in depth.

I found a paper from the Levy Institute of the Bard College which examines unemployment by comparing immigration rates across states, and they found that it didn't have any impact on unemployment, but it significantly increased the percentage leaving the labor force among those with a high school diploma or less education (Table 2) while decreasing it for those with some college or more, averaging out to a 0.4% increase in leaving the labor force. By age, 15-24 and 65+ were the demographics most affected. The author notes that most academic literature suggests that immigration does not strongly affect wages, but the increase could be driven either by an actual decline in wages or a false expectation of a decline in wages.

To be clear, I think that regardless of the economic impact, anyone who sets foot over the border should be legally allowed to stay, granted permanent residency after staying some amount of time like a year, and then American citizenship upon passing an American citizenship test.

1982 Subaru Brat
Feb 2, 2007

by Athanatos

Another successful Onion prediction

https://www.theonion.com/russian-television-scores-hit-with-new-game-show-who-wa-1819565399

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/YoungerPope/status/1016885299786539008?s=19

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
Bernie Sanders

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



she's taking Jeb!'s shtick...

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Democratic Cynthialists, motherfucker

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


does the dsa let in dem cynts?

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
lol that owns. unironically for once.

we need a hundred ocasios-cortez tho

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
i get to be a aoc hipster among my friends tho

yeah i heard of aoc before she was cool :smug:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Sapozhnik posted:

lol that owns. unironically for once.

we need a hundred ocasios-cortez tho

what if we elect her to a hundred different offices instead

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1016803196050780160

Grimoire
Jul 9, 2003

Why would the Oc be causing problems for the dems?

Oh right, this is flop sweat nate and his milquetoast spreadsheets we're talking about here

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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Grimoire posted:

Why would the Oc be causing problems for the dems?

Oh right, this is flop sweat nate and his milquetoast spreadsheets we're talking about here

you're trying really hard here

he's referring to how the dem leadership is openly quaking about ocasio and denying that she and the wave of dsa are any threat at all to establishment dems, and doomsaying that if the dems continue to swing left thanks to dsa/jd it'll send these Mythical Moderates over to the right

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